Author Topic: From 'Wishcraft' by Barbara Sher  (Read 2165 times)

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From 'Wishcraft' by Barbara Sher
« on: October 01, 2006, 12:18:58 PM »
Women are raised for love. That is, we have been raised to give it in order to get it. Our upbringing trained us to nurture other people. We’re supposed to be good to our children so that they can grow up and realize themselves. We’re supposed to back up our husbands so that they feel free to go out and realize themselves. In other words, the flowers are to grow, and guess what that makes us? Fertilizer—to put it politely. That’s how most of us were taught we would get love—not by being flowers ourselves. If we dared to flower—to be active and self-absorbed and good at things—nobody would feed our roots, and we would die. At least, that’s how it felt.


wow! No wonder I've been feeling so er 'sh*tty'....

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Re: From 'Wishcraft' by Barbara Sher
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2006, 02:52:50 PM »
I've only read the Intro but I like her tone, Write.
Thanks for suggesting this book.
(I'd say 1979 was prime self-help book time...many books from
that period still ring true to me)

Interesting that it's online free when it once was traditionally
published...I wonder if that was the author's gift, or what...

Anyway, off to turn on music and tackle 6 square inches.

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Re: From 'Wishcraft' by Barbara Sher
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2006, 04:39:26 PM »
Women are raised for love. That is, we have been raised to give it in order to get it. Our upbringing trained us to nurture other people. We’re supposed to be good to our children so that they can grow up and realize themselves. We’re supposed to back up our husbands so that they feel free to go out and realize themselves. In other words, the flowers are to grow, and guess what that makes us? Fertilizer—to put it politely. That’s how most of us were taught we would get love—not by being flowers ourselves. If we dared to flower—to be active and self-absorbed and good at things—nobody would feed our roots, and we would die. At least, that’s how it felt.


wow! No wonder I've been feeling so er 'sh*tty'....

This reminds me of an article I read today about a new film called Water.  It is about the Hindu tradition of casting out widows once their husbands are dead.  These women, of whatever age, have to wear white, have shaven heads and wear no jewellry, and are forced to beg on the streets because their families will not support them any longer.  The reason behind this is that Hindu women are defined by the men around them, and when they are no longer a wife, they have no social status whatever, and become untouchable.

This is not a great Hindu bash - I think all societies have a little of this same feeling about them.  I am a divorced woman, and in the UK that equates to being a social outcast.  I am never invited to dinner parties any more, even though I am certainly not predatory, and I remember well the works Christmas parties where the wives who saw me talking to their husbands would come over and take them away.  Which made me smile because firstly I worked with those men every day, and secondly, I had no intention of robbing them of their less than oil painting husbands.  But the insecurity was almost palpable.

However, that might not be what is meant here.  Just thinking aloud ...

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Re: From 'Wishcraft' by Barbara Sher
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2006, 05:55:50 PM »
Hi October

interesting bit of sociohistory: are you aware of the practice of sati, in which Hindu widows immolated themselves in their dead husbands' funeral pyres? Usually - but not always - voluntarily?

Apparently, although it was not a universal custom, it occurred fairly often from about 400 AD on... and shockingly, it apparently still occurs today - rarely; but for it to be happening at all, today, is rather unsettling.

Here's a link to Wiki - most of the other links I found tended to go overboard in terms of Hindu-bashing* and it's pretty obvious this isn't a Hinduism issue, it's a patriarchy issue. Rather brutal way of a society's avoiding making Social Security survivor benefit payments... [edit in: one never seems to see the corresponding custom, of the widower immolating himself when his wife dies. Not that I'd want to see that happening either, but my, what a message we have here.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)

* as far as I'm concerned, any bashing at all = going overboard; just for the record.
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Re: From 'Wishcraft' by Barbara Sher
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2006, 07:45:04 PM »
Sati is from the same mindset as "honor killing"

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Re: From 'Wishcraft' by Barbara Sher
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2006, 06:43:17 PM »
Hi,

We had an engineer at our company from India he was Hindu and he told us  about his cousin's wife being killed .
Evidently his cousin's wife was burned to death and the engineer at our company told us his cousin spent 3 days in prison and let go .
I do not know that this has anything to do with Hinduism as much with the social mindset.

What are the types of n's and how they differ from culture to culture.
This engineer from India does not work at our company any longer and was quite kind funny very smart and did not have a problem respecting women .
He was the only member of his whole family to be an engineer and to move to the U.S.A.
He seemed very shocked at his cousin's behavior.Mr. moon and I were shocked to hear of such an event.

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