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Dr. Richard Grossman

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Life, liberty, and the pursuit of ...?
« on: October 08, 2006, 12:18:11 PM »
(Invited talk--Yom Kippur with Rabbi Donald J. Pollock, October 2, 2006)

Some 25 years ago, my then teenage stepdaughter, Claire, came into our bedroom at one o’clock in the morning crying.  What exactly is the point, she asked, if we’re all going to die?  Claire had been something of a hellion through her adolescence, but at that moment I suddenly felt achingly attached to her.

The problem was:  how was I to respond when I had exactly the same doubts myself?  “To be truthful, Claire, I don’t know what the point is?”  Luckily, Hildy was there, and as you might guess, she’s a very positive person.  She quickly comforted Claire, took her back to bed, and in the morning, sure enough, the hellion was back.

People who don’t know, or aren’t sure what the point is, are either pitied or they make others uncomfortable.  We are indeed strangers in a strange land.  Of course we continue to search for a point, sometimes obsessively—and just when we think we’ve found one, we sleep on it and the next day we realize we were wrong.  Over time I’ve found my personal answer. But before I tell you, let me say what hasn’t worked for me.

For many people, religion provides the answer.  The point is found in the afterlife, one’s relationship with God, or both.  While this answer has provided comfort to many, it also has brought down skyscrapers—and may, if you believe Sam Harris in The End of Faith, destroy civilization as we know it.  Still, moderated faith seems to me to be a wonderful thing.  People who believe are generally happier than those who don’t, and with faith, the existential concerns that are constantly nipping at our heels during our life journey can be easily swatted away.   So, believe—you’ll feel better.  If only I could.  I take some solace in the fact that it’s not my fault.  Recent evidence suggests that capacity for faith has a significant genetic component.  Most can find God, but some, because of the presence or absence of unspecified genes, cannot.  Of course, the drug companies are all over this. If they have their way, atheism will soon be classified as a psychiatric disorder.  The cure: 20 milligrams of an SFRI (selective faith re-uptake inhibitor).  Agnostics only need take 10 milligrams. 

Money hasn’t worked for me as the point of life—although I haven’t made enough of it to do an adequate test from personal experience.  Money, however politically incorrect, does have one advantage:  after you die you can pass it on to your heirs……who are going to die.  Recently, I spoke to Dave, my best friend from high school.  Dave is a commercial real estate broker in Manhattan and has made a lot of money. For the first time since we have been adults, he sounded a little uneasy.  He said what he has accomplished professionally has no meaning.  He was wondering whether he should be volunteering his services somewhere.  I trust Dave.  Money is not the answer.

Perhaps our Founding Fathers had it right:  the point of life is the pursuit of happiness.  If this answer were viable, it would be wonderful.  Not only would it be good for the human psyche, the economy would keep rolling along—because all of us try to increase our happiness by buying things. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work.  Research reveals that people are born with a set happiness point.  Events such as winning the lottery, getting married, and buying the new BMW may increase happiness—but only for a short while.  Very quickly we return to our set happiness point.  That’s why I’m in favor of amending the Declaration of Independence to read “life, liberty, and the pursuit of meaning”.  Why should generation after generation waste their time pursuing happiness if we’re as happy as we’re ever going to be? 

There’s a final answer, popular among evolutionary biologists.  The point of life is to spread one’s genes.  That’s what evolution has designed us to do.  While I agree in principle, the answer doesn’t deeply satisfy, and it’s not exactly what one wants to tell a teenage hellion.

O.K.  So how would I answer Claire’s question now?   What is the point, if we’re all going to die?  6 weeks ago, my brother was called up to serve in Israeli military intelligence.  He was escorting a CNN reporter to the northern border, when he spotted two Katyushas heading directly towards him on the highway.  He stopped the car, threw it into reverse, and floored it.  One of the missiles exploded a hundred yards in front of him.  Those missiles and the nearness of my brother’s death reminded me once again what the point of life is:  it’s our aching attachments to those dearest to us—family, friends, and pets.  When I experience those attachments, the existential question disappears: it no longer begs to be answered.  And when I feel alone, I suffer the question the most.  That’s what I would have told Claire if I had understood, and she could have listened to me.     
 

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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2006, 12:39:50 PM »
Thank you, Dr. Grossman, for sharing this with us. It is so profound, and I hear your voice so clearly. [Isn't it ironic that Frankl, in 'Man's Search for Meaning' quoted - of all people - Nietzche - "He who has a 'why' to live can bear with almost any 'how'."]

I wish you and yours [for Rosh Hashanah] a Happy, safe and sufficiently :-) prosperous New Year 5767... in 2006, that number gives hope that we may get through many more years to come, as a species.

I am very glad that your brother is OK - and the CNN reporter too.

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Re: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of ...?
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2006, 12:46:14 PM »
it’s our aching attachments to those dearest to us—family, friends, and pets. When I experience those attachments, the existential question disappears: it no longer begs to be answered.  And when I feel alone, I suffer the question the most.

That is it..  So clear.  So concise.  To connect and to be connected.

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Re: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of ...?
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2006, 01:15:47 PM »
To love and serve.
You've done both, Doc G...
and how will you ever know what effect your gift of this board may have, on how many lives?

You won't. (But I hope you can guess.)

Thank you,
Hops
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Re: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of ...?
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2006, 02:00:50 PM »
 

Just to be love and share love thats the answer to the big question and to help along the way.

The universe for me has always been enough of an answer the wonder the AMAZING  beauty and  holding this vision .

I am happy so happy your brother is fine and well.Also as  Hops has said the lives saved well anyway many thanks.

And what is not answered I leave that to be revealed in Faith .I must have gotten the gene .

Thank goodness I just could not stand to have to take another kind of pill.

moon

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Re: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of ...?
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2006, 04:17:16 PM »
I was grateful to read this today...thought others might be too.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1541466-1,00.html

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Re: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of ...?
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2006, 04:36:47 PM »
Dear Dr. Grossman,

Best wishes for paths with plenty of divine light,

overflowing joy,

pleasures forevermore, to you and yours at this special time of celebration.

teartracks

PS Gratitude and lots of hugs to your precious brother who stands bravely between us and Katyushas and other weapons formed against us..
« Last Edit: October 08, 2006, 06:18:06 PM by teartracks »

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Re: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of ...?
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2006, 05:02:21 PM »
Dr. Grossman,

Thank you for posting your Yom Kippur comments.  I just like to hear, over and over again, that our relationships and connections are more meaningful than anything else.  Sometimes it seems we are surrounded, overwhelmed, with just the opposite message.  And for such a shaky soul as myself, I just need that reinforcement of something I always hold to be true.  With this place, though, I'm becoming less and less shaky in my convictions all the time.  Not sure what I would have done if this place didn't exist.  So, thank you for that as well.

Hopsy, I read the link.  Thank you for posting that.  A beautiful article.  Gives me a lot to think about.

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Re: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of ...?
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2006, 07:26:04 PM »
Dr. G,

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Those missiles and the nearness of my brother’s death reminded me once again what the point of life is:  it’s our aching attachments to those dearest to us—family, friends, and pets.

I feel this every day as I search to once again feel connected to a family unit.  It feels a bit like looking for that safe port in a storm.

Many blessings for a healthy and happy (as much as can be) New Year.  I remain very grateful for the existence of this board and your continued involvement and input.

Brigid

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Re: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of ...?
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2006, 11:56:28 PM »
hi Dr G,

I know a few folks who'd say the pursuit of being kind to the environment, or being responsible to Mother Earth... or something along those lines.

Others, think it's important to find answers, scientist types.  I met a rather interesting person once (a classic N, btw) whose life mission was to build the true Artificial Intelligence (AI).  He had a couple PhDs, and knew a lot about physics, computer science, mathematics.  I felt an overwhelming sense of panic come over me around this person - maybe because he was so non-spiritual?  I deeply feared his combination of intelligence and lack of regard for people.

Some think knowledge and continuing to learn is important and is what drives them...

Others, just want to be comfortable, content it seems.  To feel a sense of accomplish, perhaps to do the best they can do for themselves?

So I guess what gives our life meaning is individual to each and every one of us.  What drives each of us, and causes us to continue when we're all going the same place?  I think the answer is something different drives every one of us.  We are all human, and alike if we choose to see that, but most of us blind ourselves to this fact, and seek to be different and thus we all have individual drivers.  But maybe it is physiological too, like you say.. along those lines, maybe its just the path of least resistance to keep going on whatever path we've already set ourselves on.  Inertia is a pretty strong driver, in other words.

Whatever it is, I think it's partially conscious and partially not.

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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2006, 12:20:00 PM »
Recent evidence suggests that capacity for faith has a significant genetic component.  Most can find God, but some, because of the presence or absence of unspecified genes, cannot.  Of course, the drug companies are all over this. If they have their way, atheism will soon be classified as a psychiatric disorder.  The cure: 20 milligrams of an SFRI (selective faith re-uptake inhibitor).  Agnostics only need take 10 milligrams. 

I read it and smiled and then ....... what if?

What if we could have both a SFRI and an SFI (selective faith inhibitor)?

What if we gave the SFRI to those without faith and the SFI to those with..... would this enable us to understand each other better?

We're talking time-limited trials here! But what if, eh.....I volunteer for the first trials. I'd love to know. 8)

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Re: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of ...?
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2006, 10:06:57 AM »
Hi everyone,

Thanks to all who read my piece and all who commented.  I very much appreciated your thoughts and feelings!

Best wishes (and a meaningful year to all our Jewish readers),

Richard

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Re: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of ...?
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2006, 03:02:20 PM »
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That’s why I’m in favor of amending the Declaration of Independence to read “life, liberty, and the pursuit of meaning”. 


Jefferson cribbed this phrase from John Locke. The original was "life liberty and property" which apparently Jefferson considered too limiting. He intended "happiness" in the sense of pursuing those things which satisfy and interest us unfetterd by the interference of the government to the extent possible. Since many of the things which bring people that type of happiness are for the most part without much meaning I kind of think he came pretty close to the mark.

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Re: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of ...?
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2006, 03:24:49 PM »
Another reason for changing "property" to "happiness" was that setting up government to protect property above individuals was a carryover from the old feudal system that they had left England and fought a bloody revolution to escape.

And HI Mud, good to hear you!

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Re: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of ...?
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2006, 12:40:35 PM »
Hi Hops,

I'm reluctant to start a history debate but Locke was one of the leading philosophers of the enlightenment, not feudlaism. The idea of 'life, liberty and property' was that under previous systems, including feudalism, the mass of mankind had no secure property rights, and so the individual's economic security and activity were both severely repressed.
The idea of secure property rights does not elevate property above the individual but is a method of securing the individual's life and liberty from those who would take the fruits of his labor.
Jefferson evidently considered this too constrictive for the purposes of the Declaration although its possible this phrase was inserted by someone else in the rewrites; I can't remember offhand.
 Arguably, guaranteeing our property is a more legitimate role for government than some nebulous pursuit of happiness anyway, so I'd be happy with Locke's phrase as well.

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