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Portia

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What is a reciprocal relationship?
« on: October 10, 2006, 10:45:57 AM »
Was going to type and post this some time ago and have been reminded of it. I found recognising reciprocal relationships very difficult. I found this chapter difficult to really understand, emotionally. This is just an excerpt.

From “Why is it always about you?” by Sandy Hotchkiss, Chapter 13:


Cultivate reciprocal relationships

You might want to…seek environments … in which differences between people are recognised and accepted, healthy boundaries are maintained, and expectations are clear and realistic.

If you come from a narcissistic family, you will have to work especially hard to accomplish these goals. … You may feel unworthy of relationships in which people actually value and respect you, and you may be unfamiliar with the rhythms of reciprocity. Do not despair. With insight, effort, and self-control, you can overcome these obstacles from your childhood and live in health…..

Choosing healthy friends and lovers is a good place to begin..


What is a reciprocal relationship?

1. In a reciprocal relationship, each person contributes something and each person benefits in some way. The contributions and benefits need not be spelled out or exactly equal, but it is important that each person feels he or she is receiving good value in exchange for what is offered.

2. There is flexibility in the roles of giver and taker. Whether it is an unspoken intuitive understanding, a formal contract, or something in between, there is a mechanism by which each person knows when to give and when to receive. Over the course of the lifetime of the relationship, both parties have a sense of fairness about this aspect of their interactions.

3. Both parties are able to feel valued for their contributions and to express appreciation for what is received.

4. Separateness and boundaries are valued on both sides. In the event of conflict, both parties attempt to work out their differences with respect for one another’s feelings and points of view.

5. There is no need to ‘keep score’. Scorekeeping – keeping track of who’s done what and who ‘owes’ whom – is an indicator that someone feels the relationship is not reciprocal or has difficulty with the sometimes irregular flow of give and take.

If you come from a relatively healthy family, many of these considerations are probably second nature to you. While you may have some buttons that get pushed from time to time (no one’s ‘wonder years’ were perfect), you are less likely to project and distort and probably less vulnerable to resonating with the projections of others. In short, you probably have pretty good boundaries and little need to live in a fantasy world.

Where those who have been exposed to excessive narcissism in their early years may have inherited an internal prism, you may be fortunate enough to have little that obstructs you from reading or hearing others accurately. Because you have a realistic view of yourself (both strengths and weaknesses) and the ability to empathise, you can ‘put yourself in others’ shoes’ and see them in a balanced way. Your personal life is relatively free of interpersonal strife because you tend to choose relationships with other healthy people.

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Re: What is a reciprocal relationship?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2006, 11:31:24 PM »
You know Portia I thought about this today after you asked and I don't require entire equality, because I'm not going to get it realistically.
When you have bipolar 1 there's always this energy, no one can keep up and I do tone it down in general but in a close relationship it's impossible to hide or fully control. Things are always a little one-sided around me.

Choosing healthy friends and lovers is a good place to begin..

I've gotten past that 'if it doesn't work he must be a jerk' ( ooh that rhymes ) mentality and I don't think I would be attracted to someone if they didn't have some good qualities plus I'm hardly perfect myself- I don't expect something from a movie. But yes, the healthier they are, the healthier you are, the better it will be.

I don't know ANYONE who is 100 % 'healthy' though, not one person who doesn't have a few foibles and failings.

Communication takes time, I know that, it's not all good at first, 'the path of true love never ran smooth' and all that stuff.

Maybe by still being married I am in no place to be even thinking about what other people are doing...how can I expect reciprocity when I am in no place to give it....I felt kind of bad about that when I thought about it, I hate it when people frustrate me and I am being very vague lately.

I drove home from a lecture in tears- tiredness and pms- and then thought why am I worrying? It's nothing, everything is fine. It's like I am getting in a panic because I am lonely, but I know it won't always be like this and I always meet new people.

I'm going to back off with other people for a while, settle myself down and stop looking for a relationship I can't have.

Thanks for the excerpt.

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Re: What is a reciprocal relationship?
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2006, 11:52:26 PM »
I know I used to count in relationships... someone owed me or I owed them... I don't do that anymore. I avoid people who would count (or make me want to). I do things for people because I want to. I hadn't thought of this before Portia! Thanks as always for a thought-provoking topic.
Love, Beth
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Re: What is a reciprocal relationship?
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2006, 01:18:46 AM »
someone owed me or I owed them

I don't count, but I am trying to be aware of when it's been a while since someone did anything kind for me, or if someone is blatantly taking advantage.

People are just so self-absorbed sometimes, I don't even think it's malicious or anything more than blinkered most times, coupled with a sense of entitlement or strong desire to 'come out on top'. And a lot of people just don't have any sense of being kind for no reason other than just to be kind. The world could be a better place in about ten minutes if people were just a bit kinder.

Portia

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Re: What is a reciprocal relationship?
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2006, 05:07:18 AM »
Hi again write

Just some thoughts for you, maybe it might help to have another different viewpoint.

The path of true love never ran smooth because the idea of ‘true love’ is a myth. Love is doing things for another person and them doing things for you: I think love is actions, it is not feelings, that’s my opinion and it’s probably diametrically opposite to yours?

Is it about equality or health? I don’t think so, not either of those. Two very fallible humans can act in loving ways towards each other, in ways that both of them appreciate and enjoy.

Does being still legally ‘married’ matter that much? It wouldn’t matter to me. You’re not living with your H and you’re not behaving as though you are a couple. I know someone who has remained legally married for about 20 years following the split with their spouse. They’ve had various relationships in that time. Why do you think being married means you’re not in a position to give love? (not for you to answer unless you want to, just questioning whether the belief is rational)

Kindness is a root of love I think. How about volunteering for an animal shelter, have a good long look at any men there? If they’re doing that kind of work, my bet is they’re going to be kind. Or men working with the elderly people. Kind work can attract kind people. Are you looking for a kind man?

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Hi Beth

I used to count too, it must be out training! It’s take me a while to get out of the habit but I’m finally kicking it and it’s liberating in many ways.

I do things for people because I want to. 

I wish I’d known I was ‘allowed’ to be like this for the first 42 years of my life! Better late than never. I’m glad you know and do this too. 8)

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Re: What is a reciprocal relationship?
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2006, 12:20:52 PM »
Portia ,

Kind work does attract kind people this is so true and thank you for the thought.

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WORK DONE IN KINDNESS  8)

M

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Re: What is a reciprocal relationship?
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2006, 01:05:31 PM »
Kind Moon indeed, thank you for your words. I've just been back-reading some words where I was less than kind, quite a long time ago now but here on the board and I feel remorse and shame (or sorrow?) for some things i said back then, the way I said them. I wouldn't do that now.

The people who have come here have given gifts in bucket-loads. I was just reading back on some of those gifts and it made me think just how much kindness is exchanged here. I've received so much kindness.

You're right Moon, no one is all good or all bad. No one!

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Re: What is a reciprocal relationship?
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2006, 01:36:46 PM »
no one is all good or all bad. No one!

this is so fundamental to being happy and healthy I think.

Thanks Moon.

Does being still legally ‘married’ matter that much?

I think it's more about who I'm married to.

I told him this morning I am now the same weight as some point last year, he said 'you don't look it. You were looking great then...'

Can't tell if it's the Brit back-handed compliment kicking in or the usual N thing ( it's not jealousy 'cos he's dropped tons of weight ) but all the little reminders are there for me to tread carefully over the next few weeks and DO NOT rely on him for emotional support in any way whilst I am vulnerable!!!!!!!!!!!

Portia

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Re: What is a reciprocal relationship?
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2006, 08:53:18 AM »
Curious Write...

he said 'you don't look it. You were looking great then...'

(1) Does he want to stop you feeling good about yourself right now (because he doesn't feel good about himself)?

(2) Or does he want you to think you looked better when you two were together - i.e. you can't look good without him?

Oh i don't know!! It sounds frustrating and annoying.  And no, there is no way that's any kind of a compliment, no way! He's probably vulnerable himself and wants to put you down to prop himself up. Not sure there's any emotional support there at all, really. i wouldn't tread carefully, I'd be tempted to put on my big boots and mark out my own path - whether he's in the way or not!  :D Joking. On the other hand, maybe telling him your weight was a fish for a compliment and he's not the right person to get one from? Even if it was an off-the-cuff remark, he might see it as you wanting something from him and he doesn't want to give? :?

Sometimes i think it's amazing we get along together (humans) as well as we do sometimes!
« Last Edit: October 12, 2006, 08:59:38 AM by Portia »

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Re: What is a reciprocal relationship?
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2006, 07:08:41 PM »
Dear Portia,

Love is doing things for another person and them doing things for you: I think love is actions, it is not feelings...
Kindness is a root of love I think.


Yes  :)   

and ... You might want to…seek environments … in which differences between people are recognised and accepted, healthy boundaries are maintained, and expectations are clear and realistic.

Amen! 

Hugs,
Hope