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condeezi

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abandoned by family of ex
« on: October 17, 2006, 03:10:02 PM »
hi everyone, i am hoping that i can find help and help others as well. this is the first support group i have ever joined. there are alot of mental and emotional issues going back along time in my family - i am one of 3 daughters, the oldest committed suicide 19 years ago at the age of 33. our parents were completely, and i do mean it, emotionally unavailable. my mother was a functioning alcoholic who left us when i was 10. the issue i want advice on is that when i have been in a relationship with an N, my ex-husband of 17 years, and then a boyfriend of 4 years. when our relationship ended, so did any relationship i had with their families. they simply acted like i and  my children ceased to exist for them. no contact, when they see me they act as if they don't. i know there was considerable lying by both ex's about the reasons for our breakups - damage control i suppose. in addition to dealing with the loss of the person i loved, i also lost their families. i know that i have issues with it relating to being left by my mother, and her family did the same thing when my parents split. why do they do this to me and how do i deal with it. my friends tell me to let it go, that i wouldn't want them in my life anyway if they are so cold.  thanks

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Re: abandoned by family of ex
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2006, 04:29:26 PM »
Welcome condeezi,

So very much loss in your life.  Your friends are trying to be helpful, but it is a long process to let go of the people we love who hurt us.  I know I have spent a lifetime stuffing the pain and that doesn't really work.  It may seem like letting go but it is really hanging on desperately.  And that pain does come out in the strangest times and places.

Telling your stories helps a lot.  Listening to the stories of others helps.  Really letting yourself see and feel and experience the painful events and emotions helps.  It is hard work.  It takes time.  It involves lots of changes.  You will find what works for you.  Maybe your friends don't exactly understand because they haven't experienced the same things themselves.  That is common.  They are doing the best they can with their advice.  But there's lots of other things you can try and this place is a great one.  People here will understand.

I'm glad you found this place and I hope it helps you as much as it has helped me.

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Re: abandoned by family of ex
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2006, 06:04:21 PM »
Welcome condeezi ,

Pennyp is so right you have a place to talk and share.

I do think if the family of your ex has chosen this non contact that is their loss not yours.

The loss of my twin brother was so hard, so I can understand the loss of your sibling.

I am sure all the caring folks here understand.Your issues with your parent well you are not alone here.

Reading and sharing and posting here is so much kindness.I hope you will post more soon.

MoonLight
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Re: abandoned by family of ex
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2006, 06:24:41 PM »
Welcome Condeezi,

I was married to my xnh for 22 years and had two children.  He cheated on me, lied about a multitude of things and walked out on the marriage.  Not a single member of his family even so much as called to see how I or the kids were doing after his sudden departure.  I moved to the city where he is from when we got married, so I had absolutely no family here at all during the whole devastating event.  If not for my wonderful kids, friends and therapist, I'm not sure how I would have gotten through it.

It has been 3 years since he left and I have never spoken a word to my xfil and only had a few brief exchanges with my xmil, but nothing at all for 2 1/2 years.  The only members of his immediate family with whom I have any relationship are my xbil and sil and my 3 nieces, who all live far away from here.  The rest of his family have very limited contact with my children--who, quite honestly, could care less.

During all the years we were married, I had a good relationship with all of his family and considered them my family, as like you, my own immediate family was emotionally unavailable.  By the time my ex left, my father was dead, my mother very ill with Alzheimer's and my only brother, I'd never had a relationship with.  I felt very abandoned by his family as I did by him and it was incredibly painful at the time--especially since I hadn't done anything wrong.

I am beyond it now and can see how dysfunctional they all are.  They were so embarrassed by their son's behavior, that they couldn't acknowledge it to anyone--least of all me and the kids.  My xfil has been an alcoholic for 50+ years and that is a secret they still try to keep from everyone outside the family.

As PP said, you will find your own way to heal from the hurt of the abandonment.  It takes time, but don't beat up on yourself.  Chances are that if your ex's were n, they probably didn't come from healthy families and you are better off not having contact with them.  I think in the long run, it's probably better for the kids too, as those people can be so toxic.

I wish you well.  It really does get better with time.

Brigid

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Re: abandoned by family of ex
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2006, 01:57:34 AM »
Condeezi,

If anyone deserves and needs a kind, skilled, compassionate therapist, you do. I cannot imagine the weight of grief you carry.

And I am so sorry about your sister...and the way your parents were to you.

Do you feel you had adequate support when she died?
Maybe it would help to join a grief support group now, as well as finding a counselor/therapist...

I'm glad you're here.

Hopalong
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Re: abandoned by family of ex
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2006, 08:55:28 AM »
Hi and welcome Condeezi

I’m wondering what contacts – family and friends – you do have. Do you have contact with your other sister?

About your exes - it must be tough for your kids too (are they children of your ex husband and/or b/f?). Many grandparents want to keep contact with grandchildren but don’t, because of the other parent’s (their son’s) behaviour – and oh for a host of reasons. How old are your children (young/adult?).

Your mother’s family – your aunts/uncles/grandparents – they ignored you when your parents split up? Did they also ignore her, your mother? I wonder if she was the reason they cut off - not you, not a 10 year old. Sounds like much emotional pain going back generations. And nothing to do with you.

Why people do this – is because of their own troubled minds I guess. It isn’t about you, and much as I would imagine you want a loving family around you (who doesn’t?), it sounds as though none of these people are capable of being loving.

How do you deal with it? Create your own family with your children and your friends. Friends are the family we choose – I think that’s true. Thank goodness we can choose them.

Please post more if you want to, tell us more. ((((((((((((Condeezi)))))))))))

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Re: abandoned by family of ex
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2006, 04:43:23 AM »
hi everyone, i am hoping that i can find help and help others as well. this is the first support group i have ever joined. there are alot of mental and emotional issues going back along time in my family - i am one of 3 daughters, the oldest committed suicide 19 years ago at the age of 33. our parents were completely, and i do mean it, emotionally unavailable. my mother was a functioning alcoholic who left us when i was 10. the issue i want advice on is that when i have been in a relationship with an N, my ex-husband of 17 years, and then a boyfriend of 4 years. when our relationship ended, so did any relationship i had with their families. they simply acted like i and  my children ceased to exist for them. no contact, when they see me they act as if they don't. i know there was considerable lying by both ex's about the reasons for our breakups - damage control i suppose. in addition to dealing with the loss of the person i loved, i also lost their families. i know that i have issues with it relating to being left by my mother, and her family did the same thing when my parents split. why do they do this to me and how do i deal with it. my friends tell me to let it go, that i wouldn't want them in my life anyway if they are so cold.  thanks

Hiya Condeezi

I think part of the problem with situations such as you describe is the fantasy world that a lot of people live in.  They imagine themselves to be perfect, and anything they do to be absolutely right every single time.  They cannot conceive of making a mistake, or being imperfect.  My own nmum says sometimes 'nobody's perfect', but I know there is a second line that she doesn't speak, which says 'except me, of course'.  She waits for me to say, oh mother dear, you are the closest to perfect this side of heaven, and I don't, and she feels upset.  But she likes to be upset, so I don't worry about that.   :D

If you have had a relationship with such a person, and have split with them, and there is even the faintest suggestion that it was at all to do with them, and that they have responsibility for their own actions, and at least in part for the failure of the relationship, they will find that thought very threatening to their own cosy world view.  The only way they can achieve the maintenance of their own denial system, which they invest huge emotional energy into, is to pretend you do not exist.  So they blank you in the street, and forget you exist.

The best kind of antidote to this behaviour is to live a contented life, and to laugh out loud whenever you see them coming, and pretending you do not exist.  I would also comment on it out loud every time, in their hearing, and say something like, oh look there is x, pretending not to see us, how funny is that?  Make a real joke of it.  If your children are young, you can make a game of it.  If they are older, you can explain what is going on.

Ns hate two things.  They hate the truth, and they hate being laughed at.  Gods in human form want to be bowed down to and worshipped.  Laughter rather deflates the self image.

My d too lost her whole paternal family when my marriage failed.  They have family parties without her, and do not include her in anything.  They blame her, and say she never goes to visit them.  They complain if she writes and puts 'regards' rather than 'love from'.  Basically, people this petty deserve one another, and do not deserve our emotional energy.

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Re: abandoned by family of ex
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2006, 12:55:09 PM »
Hi Condeezi, welcome.

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The phrase 'functioning alcoholic' wasn't one I heard until I emigrated from England, but it is the most damaging situation for a child. At least if parent is falling over and trashing their life there's some kind of confirmation things aren't right and a consensus of external condemnation on some level.

Where I grew up people would go out and drink 10 pints of beer a night after a day's work, then get up for work next day apparently none the worse for it, but of course they were totally emotionally stulted and unavailable. And it was all one big joke, 'he can handle his beer'/ 'she likes a drink'. They were numb but because they could walk or drive home drunk and keep putting food on the table, that's okay then.

I even went on to develop the same patterns myself. But we raised our son with a much greater trust in his own perception, and it wasn't long before he was feeding back to me that I was a liar and he didn't trust me when I drank. 'You say you're not drunk mum' he once said. 'You think I can't tell if someone's drunk?'

I battled with it for years, always trying to control it, mostly succeeding but always the threat it would get out of hand and I'd get sick ( I have bipolar 1 disorder ) so now I don't drink at all.

It took my son months before he would believe me and trust me about it, but it is simple really, once I was prepared to accept it:

Once you've had a dysfunctional relationship with alcohol you can't go back to being a low-level drinker without this never-ending internal battle.

That tension is unbearable for people around you, and the knowledge that you don't love them enough to give up...even for your kids who need you.

Compound this with 'I don't care enough to work on myself other ways either' and it makes for one mess of a family. The anger and fear and lack of life-tools just passes from generation to generation.

I am so sorry your sister killed herself. It's often hardest for the eldest child, trying to compensate, or feeling guilty, even being the failed hope of their parents.....

 i know there was considerable lying by both ex's about the reasons for our breakups - damage control i suppose

it's unhealthy. 'Damage control' can be healthy, as in, 'all this happened and I can't forget it but I want to maintain a relationship at the level we can all cope with'. Lying is just more dysfunction and lack of love and respect.

why do they do this to me and how do i deal with it. my friends tell me to let it go, that i wouldn't want them in my life anyway if they are so cold.  thanks

well you have already been conditioned to sidestep your reality and accept another person's even if you know in your heart it's wrong. But there's part of you wants to engage them honestly like you wanted to engage your parents as a child, like you want to do your other positive relationships now. They are triggering your past pain and rejection I guess, as well as adding to it with their coldness.

My son was furious with me when I drank- I think if I hadn't taken care of it he would eventually have cut me out of his life when he is older, and that is what I did with my mother when her behaviour was so cold and inappropriate.

But then I kept letting other people into my life who treated me the same, and I kept trying to reach them instead.

It was only when I had therapy here with a good psychologist I really unravelled that and started to heal.

It's the intensity of the pain throws us off too, Condeezi, being that helpless rejected frightened child in the face of extravagant selfish sometimes dangerous behaviour was so terrible, when we trigger it even a little there's a huge stress response, adrenalin and cortisol and panic and fear. It's trauma.

That's why it's hard to let it go, because you are sensng deep down it's something more than just 'oh some people were mean to me, forget them!' As others here have said- to heal you have to grieve your losses and be kind to yourself now, rebuild that part which other people neglected and abused and damaged in you.

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Re: abandoned by family of ex
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2006, 01:28:52 PM »


That's why it's hard to let it go, because you are sensng deep down it's something more than just 'oh some people were mean to me, forget them!' As others here have said- to heal you have to grieve your losses and be kind to yourself now, rebuild that part which other people neglected and abused and damaged in you.


Hi Write,

This description you have made is wonderful Write this  is my understanding also.
Write you understand so well the internal process of the wounded and of the one that abandons .

When one family member sort of kicks out another what does this say about their own self esteem and ability to have compassion ?????????
Detachment is something else that is for protection.

Lily ,

My twin  passed when we were 27.The loss was so unbelievably painful.
Add the feeling of abandonment and I understand this as well and it hurts so bad.
I myself had one night the darkest I had ever experienced and that night transformed me into one that is on the way to finding self .
The night of the process was one like I had never experienced before truly lifting old patterns and releasing me from an unhealthy outlook on life.

But transformation and the path to freedom comes in a different way for everyone.
And the path is there and you are safe.I still have pangs for what might have been .

Love to you ,

moonlight
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2006, 11:21:22 PM »
Hi Moon:
Would this be something you can describe without re-experiencing the pain? (Or if it was the night you were with your friends, who supported you by letting you, no need...I remember that clearly.)

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The night of the process was one like I had never experienced before truly lifting old patterns and releasing me from an unhealthy outlook


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Re: abandoned by family of ex
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2006, 12:29:17 AM »
Hops ,

The time I loss my brother was gentle grieving with loved ones and friends that let me grieve and I was in nature .
No this was a recent process that freed me from old patterns and drained decades of emotional toxins from my being.

Love and love to you
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