It doesn't have to be such hard work

[dragonsamm]

Jac,

What gives you reason to believe that some people don't feel the same frustration that others feel??  We ARE all here for the same reasons, we ALL feel the same kinds of feelings. We are all human, after all.
Which includes making mistakes, misunderstanding (the English language is woefully inadequate), and being less than what others may need us to be sometimes.

I'm sorry you have received less than what you need. 

"I'd like to buy the world a Coke....."   (old Coca-cola commercial lyrics)

~dragonsamm~

[dragonsamm]

Jac
No, I wasn't baiting you.  I had a strong feeling that you had some anger going on over some of the responses here.  Maybe it's my own filters from having had a raging parent (one does tend to become ultra-sensitive to hositility--real or perceived).  I thought I saw some attempt on your part to control someone else's right to speak here, just because you didn't agree with it. 
I learned to never trust an angry person to tell you the truth, so I felt it impossible to directly ask you if you were angry.  I guess I was trying to diffuse what I saw as a conflict.
I apologize if my perception was inaccurate.
I don't have the time or energy to waste time baiting and playing games with people.  Especially here, where I have found so much support.

so.....friends????

 

~dragonsamm~

[Stormchild]

Knowledge is power. You can hoard what you have, keep it to yourself, and use it to your own advantage exclusively, or you can share it, give it away, and let anyone who is willing benefit from whatever they can, as much as they can.

When you see things clearly, they're no longer hard. They look totally different from the other side. That's why people share insights and information in AA, ACOA, etc.

Moonlight and others here can explain that a lot better than I can.

And there are plenty of things I haven't 'got' yet, which are still hard for me. Huge numbers of things, some of them surprisingly simple. I do know they won't get easier from being avoided though... and I won't get wiser by avoiding them.

Nobody forces anyone to read anything here.

[moonlight52]

Dear Stormy ,


Knowledge is power. You can hoard what you have, keep it to yourself, and use it to your own advantage exclusively, or you can share it, give it away, and let anyone who is willing benefit from whatever they can, as much as they can.
When you see things clearly, they're no longer hard. They look totally different from the other side. 

Moonlight and others here can explain that a lot better than I can.


I do not know I can say it better.Storm, When on the other side of the pain
(THE PAIN WHEN YOU THINK SOMEONE ELSE CAN HURT YOU) IS THIS WHAT YOU MEAN?????????
You just understand and even can get to a point when you do not have to protect yourself or feel any loss.
After that point it becomes a point of "self realization"etc

Storm,  You are one ever watchful and can see the change even when a person appears the same .And have given all thx.
Its like  the chunk just falls off it just does kinda hard to explain.
I cried this morning with overwhelming love compassion I do try so hard to kick the ego to the curb
but it keeps jumping in and wants to drive the car.

HOW TO BECOME You must want it bad enough to take what comes along with understanding truth.
You must be brave enough to really have a look .
I have taken a peek its scary but truth is all I can stand to live with.
Hoping my words will be understood .


There is a path to Truth . 
From ignorance to relative knowledge .
From relative knowledge to an awareness of the limitation of such knowledge and finally
And finally we pass from that which we recognize associated intelligence to a Reality of Being.

THIS IS A QUOTE FROM A MAN NAMED RICHARD ROSE

or as the song goes "growing up is hard to do"

with so much love to you

MoonLight

[Stormchild]

truth is all I can stand to live with.

beautiful, moon... thanks so much. you explain in a way i never could.

[moonlight52]

P.S   

When you get a break through You are becoming ...................
You, me, self all are becoming .

Having a break through means calmness feeling safe and all these different thinking attitudes and it makes a huge difference.
These are new to me and I am free now to explore even more.

Having gratitude and kindness and a to have sense of awe of the universe is a good thing .Because on the other other side maybe
we do not have the opportunity for these lessons however painful they appear .

Having curiosity and to challenge everything you think  and see what is right for you .

Also I need to go pick up my moonlet and her best friend at school it's Friday.
They want to go to the mall.............



moon

[moonlight52]

Maybe the work is as hard as it needs to be .

Sometimes insights seem accidental .

Learning from fire and water There is no no resistance and there is acceptance and "I" have stepped aside .

Now my real spiritual work begins its A BEAUTIFUL DAY and its now again........................

much love and more 

m

[Hopalong]

Moon,
You are so PITHY.

Maybe the work is as hard as it needs to be .

 
(((())))

Hops

[moonlight52]

Hops 

Sadly I find I am abounding in PITH up to my neck in PITH .

HONESTLY MY PITHY EGO DOES WANT TO IMPRESS 

ALSO am considering SELF a possible pompous A** bUT my intent is good I am trying to kick ego to the curb .

Hoping to shrink my fathead.

love to you always

Beside the pith is a humble soul

[Hopalong]

Here's one for ya from my Google homepage (cool tool!), I added Buddhist Thought of the Day:

Of the many earnest, and how earnest, people we may observe reading, attending lectures, studying and practicing disciplines, devoting their energies to the attainment of a liberation which is by definition unattainable, how many are not striving via the ego-concept which is itself the only barrier between what they think they are and that which they wish to become but always have been and always will be? - Why Lazurus Laughed by Wei Wu Wei

(((Moooooooon))) 

Hops

[moonlight52]

"I" JUST DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING PERSONALLY    Sitting under imagined tree dang that apple

DEAREST HOPS

Love WEI WU WEI AKA Terence Grey

Favorite book he wrote : Fingers Pointing toward the moon 

Wei wu wei was Friends with Mr Richard Rose  ZEN DUDES

luv
m

[moonlight52]

oh yes Hops      the ATTACHMENT to attainment of enlighten ment or liberation yes I see DUH 

thx

man oh man where did I drop my enlightenment nope its not in the closet ???????????

not under the bed ....................................................................

oops now where did I put it I forgot oh well infinity is another day .

oh well those really smart zen dudes maybe they know or its nothing and all .


((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HOPS))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Hopalong]

I don't aim for enlightenment or nirvana but just strength and calm.
Maybe they're the same thing!

I know Buddists have some deep wisdom so I grabbed that quote-thingy so I could get a little by osmosis...reading philosophy is beyond my brain.

Nice to have a philosopher here to give me bits!

Nighty-poo, Moon, you Zenster...

(((((((((Moon))))))

love,
Hops

[moonlight52]

Hops ,

Sending that calm and strengh to you .

hugs,

moon

[October]

I actually felt that it was my right to speak that was being controlled and I tried my best to say that.

And yes, I was angry about that.  But I always try to be honest, if I can - and I welcome people to talk to me, here and in real space.

So thank's for answering my question - I appreciate it. 

jac

Your right to speak is non negotiable.  It is also beyond anyone's control but your own, like the wind or the rain.

My right to say, I am finding this hard work, because when I hear the theory I also need to hear the connection with humanity, is also non negotiable.  And that is what I was saying, in essence.

Anyone and everyone is still free to say what they like, where they like, because my opinion does not constrain anyone's freedom.

But if anyone reads my posts, they have to take the chance that my opinions might make them think about their chosen, free actions. 

And if that makes them angry, then that is not my problem.  I am sorry if the strength of the reaction distresses anyone, but it is not my responsility.  My responsibility is my own reaction, and to keep it calm, temperate and as loving as I can achieve.  At the point where I can no longer sustain that, I will take a break, until I can.

Thanks to those who have made non defensive contributions here, and sent PMs.  I very much appreciate your support, and your love is what has helped me to return.  Not so that I can continue to avoid anything, because I am not in fact an avoidant person, but so that I can find reality in all these words and theories, and find humanity in all the theses.