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invisible

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Good bye
« on: December 28, 2006, 11:50:02 AM »
Firstly, I want to say thank you to those who listened to me and helped me. You know who you are. So ... thank you.

And then I want to say good bye. I don't like or understand the mind games that I see being played here. Someone is insinuating that I am their girlfriend. Jodi, on the board but sends me private messages to say that she knows I am not this person. It just seems strange to me. And so I have decided to simply leave and make you all happy.

I will be deleting any threads I started except for this one.

May God bless you all and may all of your dreams be fulfilled.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2006, 11:53:12 AM by invisible »

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Re: Good bye
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2006, 12:21:30 PM »
Don't know what you are referring to but I'm sorry it is going on here.  I have so enjoyed talking with you and I have gotten help by listening to you.  Thank you.  I hope things will go well for you and I hope you can come back in another creation.

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Re: Good bye
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2006, 04:40:09 PM »
God bless you too invisible.  I hope things work out for you and you are able to return soon.

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Re: Good bye
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2006, 11:17:12 AM »
Invisible

when someone's behavior here confuses you, I find it's most helpful to click on their username anywhere it is underlined on the board. This will take you to their profile, where you can click on the line that says,

Show the last posts of this person.

This will bring up everything they have posted under their username, over the entire history of their account.

if you start at the beginning, which may be the last page depending on the order in which you have posts displayed on your screen, you can see how they started out here, what they said when they first got here, how people responded to them, how they responded back, etc. It gives a very in depth picture of how we have all expressed ourselves, changed, grown.

You may learn some interesting facts about other people here too, at the same time, by tracing their interactions with the person whose posts you are reading.

Now, if someone cancelled their account and then came back later [I did this], you will only get the posts from their new account. Even so, this may give you a sense of what the person is like over time, and that's important - and you can do a search on their username to get the posts from their previous account if they didn't change their name when they came back [I didn't].

I really recommend doing this whenever anyone's behavior confuses you. It will usually help you to see if what they are doing is typical of them, whether they do it to everyone or just a few people and what kind of people they do 'it' to, whether they have grown and faced anything that they might need to face or seem to be 'running a show' here [projecting an image to an audience] and not in recovery at all.  Seeing these things is valuable for maintaining perspective and proper compassion [which is totally different from enabling!], while avoiding being 'fooled'... as much as possible, anyway.

I find that misuse of PMs isn't uncommon here - people may send truly strange ones, or they may behave very reasonably in PMs to you, and then tell the most incredible lies about you and your PMs on the board. No surprise. This is a recovery forum, afer all. Everyone here has been injured. Not everyone here will be at the same stage of healing, and because honesty can be very painful, not everyone here will be honest, all the time, either, sometimes not even to themselves.

Simplest solution? Block PMs from people you mistrust. Or if you're fed up enough, block PMs from everybody. You can do that in your profile by clicking on your own username wherever it's underlined.

And I do hope you will stay. You can learn a lot and grow a lot here. I know there are lots and lots of people who just read the posts here - you can learn and grow just doing that, even.

all the best...

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Re: Good bye
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2006, 04:03:58 PM »
Dear Invisible,

I hope you stay. Maybe change your name or do whatever to feel safe again.
I agree with Gaining Strength. There are some wouded birds here who put out some odd and eccentric behavious. But there are so many more people who are here to help and heal themselves.

I woud miss you.

Sea Storm

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Re: Good bye
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2006, 05:39:42 PM »
Hi, all!

I am truly not worried that any of this thread is directed at me.  I don't think Invisible left on account of me, I havent been offended by any PM's and I dont think that anyone else is mad at me either.  For what it's worth!  :)

I have a question:  are we generally using a definition of narcissism that would encompass only those who are pathological?  When we talk about being hurt by our particular N, are we speaking of the pathological sort of N?  Or is narcissism, as it is used on the board, a more general term that encompasses garden-variety self-interest that isnt particularly pathological?

The reason I ask is that there has been a lot of discussion and comments lately about narcissists on the board and narcissistic comments and behavior on the part of our friends here.  I am not clear any more about what we are talking about.  I personally feel so cautious about using the term because it carries such emotional weight among us.  I have thought that narcissism and abuse were close to synonymous in our experiences.   

Maybe there is a whole PM underground that has this figured out but that I am not aware of.  (I'm okay about that, REALLY! I just thought maybe I was missing half of the conversation somehow).  If someone could define terms for me, I think it would help.

CB

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Re: Good bye
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2006, 06:49:01 PM »
CB - I'm in the dark here as well but I use the term narcissism to mean the truly pathalogical.  Not sure about anyone else. - GS

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Re: Good bye
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2006, 08:40:17 PM »
Bean

Do you see how you have taking the chastising N stance?   Why are you attacking others?  What have this people triggered in you and why?

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Re: Good bye
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2006, 09:44:51 PM »
Hi GS,
I think that's a valuable reminder. I don't think there'll be common agreement on how to use "the N word" because when people are focused on expressing it'd be likely to shift, understandably, so I don't think there's a "we" usage, just individuals'...

But for what it's worth, it's a valuable thing for me to remember what I mean when I say "N". I think much of the time I mean "a narcissistic person" (and even that can encompass from somewhat to very...) rather than a person with full-blown NPD, or narcissistic personality disorder.

That's why when I used to refer to my mother as "an N" here, I stopped. I realized that she is very narcissistic indeed, but there is not the element of overt abuse, conscious lying, or hatred that seems common in many of the worst parents described here. Once I contemplated it more, I felt it was unfair to her.

My next-to-last-exbf was full-tilt NPD, though, I believe.

Thanks for mentioning the power of the label. It can be confusing when it's a catchall.

Hops
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Re: Good bye
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2006, 09:49:11 PM »
Just want to make clear that if I have somehow wandered into a flame war, it was unintentional.  

Since mine was one of the last posts before this "Amused" character's, I don't want it perceived that I am any part of it.  That should probably go without saying, but communication on a board is tricky and sometimes close proximity can give the appearance of agreement.  

Words are powerful.  Use with care.  

CB
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Re: Good bye
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2006, 10:03:02 PM »
I don't think sea storm or Stormchild were directing any blame at anyone in particular. Their posts certainly didn't suggest any individual to me. They were just trying to help invisible deal with something that had upset her. I thought they went out of their way to avoid any personal insinuations, unless you count sea storms remarks about odd and eccentric behaviors. As one of the oddest and most eccentric here I would like to take this opportunity to say I wasn't offended in the least. 8) :lol:

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Re: Good bye
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2006, 11:37:35 PM »
I think that one of the best things about this board, is that each person is free to come and go as they choose.  Some people post and some don't.  Some people take offense and some sit quietly and observe.  What is wrong with just "live and let live" for an attitude?  I'm good with it :)

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Re: Good bye
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2006, 12:13:27 AM »
Bean,

Not really.  But, that's okay.

CB
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Re: Good bye
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2006, 12:24:55 AM »
Bean,

I'm interested.  But this conversation doesnt feel safe. 

I have always particularly enjoyed your posts, so I'm not sure what the edge is that I am picking up in your posts to me.  You don't have to explain.  Just wanted you to know why I am vacating the thread.  We'll pick up somewhere else.

CB


When they are older and telling their own children about their grandmother, they will be able to say that she stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way -- and it surely has not -- she adjusted her sails.  Elizabeth Edwards 2010

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Re: Good bye
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2006, 01:26:32 AM »
This thread got me thinking...could it also be the weekend phenomenon?

To newer folks: I could be completely wrong but...previously we've had spats on the board that did seem to get rolling at the start of a weekend, and some people noticed that their irritability or anxiety would peak as the weekend loomed.

Just in case that's useful.

Hops

PS--afterthought: It's a weekend PLUS New Year's Eve coming...potent combo for triggering stuff?
« Last Edit: December 30, 2006, 02:15:37 AM by Hopalong »
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