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WRITE

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Info from a dating book...
« on: January 10, 2007, 11:58:18 PM »
This was in my inbox today; it's an attempt to sell a self-published book, but I found it compelling reading, I often wonder about my behaviour since I became a Christian, is it just an extended form of approval-seeking...and I have been known to be super-nice to guys I date only to get mad at them when they don't reciprocate.It is something I am working on- me doing what I do/ thinking what I think because that's what it is, not for any other reasons...( maybe the Christianity will fit into that )

Ok, this is as much typing as I've done in weeks, think I have RSI!!!

I'll post it underneath, it's quite long and the machine says I exceeded the allowed length...

WRITE

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Re: Info from a dating book...
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2007, 12:01:01 AM »
Dear Friend,

    Are you one of the many single women in the
world who would make an AMAZING PARTNER for a
man.... but can't even find a decent date?
Do you ever feel like it's impossible to
understand what a man is thinking when it comes to
"dating" and relationships?
Do you ever wish that you could just skip the
"games" and the uncertainty that come with dating
and get straight to something REAL?
If so, I want to share with you a few important
ways to stop missing out on the love and
connection you're looking for... and start finding
and creating what you want with a man.

   There's something I want to know about you
first, though.
I wonder how often this has happened to you-
You meet a man you find attractive and you go
out on a date...
The date goes better than you imagined, and you
find him even more interesting and desirable than
you thought you would.
You feel great around him and the conversation
flows.

   You both connect with each other and have all
kinds of unbelievable things in common.

   The more time you spend with him, the more you
become excited about where things could go... and
that you've finally met a man who's fun,
attractive AND who actually seems open and healthy
as a person.

   To top it off, the chemistry you share is
AMAZING... and you share a steamy good-night kiss
that proves it.

   You can tell he's feeling it too.

   This is something more than just another date.
It's more than two people spending time together.

   This is something special and real.

   That's why you can't help yourself...

  

WRITE

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Re: Info from a dating book...
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2007, 12:05:11 AM »
Before you even hear from him again, you're
telling your girlfriends all about him, what a
great time you had, what it's like when you're
together... and when you're going to see each
other next.

   You're VERY excited about your new man.
You imagine introducing him to your friends.
You even allow yourself a fantasy or two about
all the fun things you'll do together in the weeks
to come and what your life together could be like.
You have a GREAT FEELING about this.
Best of all, he's calling you, emailing, and he
wants to see you all the time.
And he's not only attractive and charming- it
turns out he's a really good person too.
After a few more dates you're intimate with him
because you feel so comfortable together. And the
sex is AMAZING.

   Things are going so great that you say to
yourself,

   "At last! A real man I truly connect with. I
better not screw this up!"

   But just then you realize how much he is
starting to mean to you... and in the back of your
mind it kind of freaks you out.

   And it's then that the dating and relationship
nightmares from your past flash back in your
mind...

   You don't want to feel the pain you felt in the
past ever again... and you start to feel afraid
that the same things could happen again.

   Your mind races with fear and anxiety.

   But to keep it together you put faith in the
situation and in this man. You tell yourself that
it's different this time, and that he isn't one of
those other guys.
And to make sure things keep moving forward in
the right direction, you start trying a little
harder with him to get it right this time.
You do all kinds of nice things for him.

   You make the effort to find out all about him,
understand him, and help him out with the things
that are going on for him in his life.     You
even start to do things like favors, errands, etc.
just because you want him to know how much you
care and to be close to him.
In the back of your mind you really hope he'll
recognize all the great things you're doing for
him, and how amazing you and your relationship can
be.

   With all you're doing for him and your
relationship, he'd be crazy not to want to be with
you.

   But after a few more dates, suddenly something
starts to feel WRONG...

   That same easy and free way of loving and being
with each other suddenly feels different.

   You realize how much you're doing for him and
all the ways you're trying... and suddenly  it
hits you-

   He isn't making much of an effort to do
anything for you or your relationship.

   Not the way you are with him.

   Then you realize that he's been calling you
less than he used to.

   He doesn't seem as excited to be with you and
share his thoughts and feelings as he used to be
at first.

   He even stops making much in the way of plans,
and starts doing a lot of other things he wasn't
doing before.

   And since you don't want to keep calling him,
you wait for his call... hoping he'll make weekend
plans with you.

   But Thursday comes, and then Friday, and still
no call.

   Your worst fears are starting to be realized.
But you don't want to over-react.

   So even though you're hurt and upset that he
didn't call you... you want to be with him, so you
reluctantly call him.

   You tell yourself there must be a good reason
and that he's been busy or something.

   When you finally get a hold of him, he doesn't
even sound like the same guy.

   He talks like he hardly knows you and you've
never been close.

   You try to be casual and ask him what he's been
doing, but you want to know what he's been doing
and why he hasn't called you.

   Then you find out he's been going out and doing
things with friends and other people.

   Arggggh! He didn't even invite you!

   Wait a minute...

   Aren't you two an "item"? Shouldn't you be
doing something TOGETHER on weekends and in your
free time?

   You start feeling really FRUSTRATED and
CONFUSED.

   Maybe he doesn't see what's going on, so you
decide to let him know how you feel and "call him
on it."

   You tell him how upset you felt that he didn't
ask you to hang out with him and his friends.

   And you ask him what's going on, and why he's
being this way with you.

   But he doesn't respond the way you'd want or
expect him too.

   Instead of listening to you and your
feelings... he gets irritated and ANGRY with you.
As though you're "hassling" him.

   After some arguing and back and forth, he seems
to shift gears in the conversation and says
something that really makes your heart SINK.

   Something that you had a gut FEELING you'd hear
from him with this going on-

   He tells you,

   "Look... you're great, but the truth is that
I'm not ready or in the right place for any kind
of 'serious' relationship right now."

   And he goes on to tell you about all the things
going on in his life that are taking up his time
and energy... and that he doesn't know how to
settle down right now.

   Ouch.

   WHAT THE HELL IS HE TALKING ABOUT!?

   Why is he acting like you're going to get in
the way of the rest of his life?

   Why did he ask you out in the first place, and
spend all that time sharing himself, being with
you, and connecting with you if he didn't want a
relationship all along?

   Couldn't he have told you that when you first
met, instead of asking you out?

   Why did he spend all that time with you and
sleep with you if he didn't want to be with you?

   And how come he doesn't recognize or appreciate
all the things you bring to his life, and all the
things that you do for him?

   At this point, you feel incredibly hurt,
frustrated, unappreciated, and misunderstood.

   You even become intensely UPSET and ANGRY with
him, and with yourself.      How could you have
misunderstood what was happening and not seen this
coming!?

   Why did he do all the things he did, and why
did he SAY all those things that made you think HE
WANTED a relationship with you?

   Now, if you've experienced a situation like
this with a man before... then I really feel for
you.

   It SUCKS.

   If you want to learn how to avoid this kind of
situation in the first place in your future, and
you'd prefer to have a man "pursuing" and
"courting" you... then you need to read THIS:


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    It will help you know what to do when a great
guy who you share a real connection, chemistry,
and attraction with PULLS AWAY from you just as
you start to get closer and a little more
"serious".

   To learn how, when and why a man will start to
naturally RESIST a relationship with a woman the
more intense the feelings between him and her
are... and to know exactly what to do to keep your
relationship growing and moving forward without
his FEAR and RESISTANCE getting in the way, go
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    Now, back to our story and this frustratingly
common situation women run into with men.

   In the story above, for lots of women the story
doesn't end there when the man says he's not ready
for anything serious.

   Why?

   Because they either don't want to listen to the
man... or they refuse to believe him.

   And then what happens?

   Some women actually go on to spend the next few
weeks or maybe even MONTHS doing everything they
can to try and win the guy back.

   They think that if they can just get him to
stop ignoring what it is that they share, and to
not be afraid... that the guy will "come to his
senses" and come back to them.

   WRONG!

   If you've ever been in this situation, or known
a woman who was, here are a few of the most common
responses:

A) Pretending you don't want anything serious
either and keep on sleeping with the man
"casually" in hopes that things will grow from the
"physical relationship"

B) Staying close to him by trying to become his
"best friend" as you help him in his life and with
his problems - all the while imagining the
"payoff" of a real relationship for your good
deeds once he recognizes how great you are

C) Trying to make him jealous by telling him
you're seeing other guys, even if you're not. Or
going out with other guys and doing things with
them not because you like them, but because you
want him to find out and want you back

D) Getting pissed off at him and telling him he's
dumb, immature, and acting like a little BOY...
and that he's just scared of a real relationship
and a commitment - and then trying to get him to
have a relationship with you to "fix" himself

E) Trying to make him interested in you by
complimenting him, doing nice things for him,
taking up things he's interested in to be around
him... and being available to him at anytime he
should show interest. This is kind of like trying
to be his "best friend", but different since it's
often still sexual.

   Now, I'm guessing that you recognized at least
one of these responses as you were reading through
them.

   As you read yours, you probably thought "Oh no,
that was me!"... and now you see your behavior in
a slightly different light.

   In fact, maybe you see you've made a couple of
these mistakes with men.

   Here's the thing...

   None of these responses ever work with men.

   Ever.

   Feel free to ask your girlfriends and your guy
friends if you don't believe me.

   Doing these things with a man is like instant
MAN-REPELLENT.

   But, strangely enough, even though these
universally don't get men to respond in any
positive way... these are still the most common
ways that women who don't understand men and
dating respond.

   Which begs me to ask the question...

   Why do so many women make these same mistakes
in the first place? And why are these so
universally common?

   The short answer is this-

   If a woman makes these kinds of mistakes with
men, it's NOT because she "learned" it by seeing
it work for other women with other men.

   Absolutely not.

   It's because she does WHAT MAKES SENSE to HER
in the moment.

   But guess what?

  

WRITE

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Re: Info from a dating book...
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2007, 12:08:04 AM »
If you've spent enough time around men, then
you've probably discovered that men DON'T MAKE
MUCH SENSE.

   See where I'm going here?

   If you try and use what makes sense to YOU as a
woman with a man... odds are you're going to get
very poor results.

   Which means...

   If you want to start getting better outcomes
and results when it comes to men, and you want to
be able to communicate with a man in a way that
brings him closer...

   Then you're going to have to learn to STOP
doing what makes "sense" to you...

   And START doing what it is that makes a man
FEEL ATTRACTED and MORE INTERESTED in you.

   In other words... the biggest challenge most
women run into when it comes to "breaking through"
to men and getting past the surface dating stuff
and into a real relationship with a real man is
not being able to see past their own MINDSET and
the approach they've been using that hasn't
worked.

   If you have the wrong mindset, and the thus the
wrong approach when it comes to men and dating...
then it practically guarantees you're going to
fail from the very beginning.

   Seriously.

   But if you can learn to understand how your
mindset affects how you interpret and respond to a
man... and you can start to get the kind of
PERSPECTIVE or AWARENESS that will lead you to
knowing what's really going on with a man, and how
to respond... then things are quickly and
naturally going to fall into place for you.

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    Now, here's the other important question to
ask now that we've identified some of the common
mistakes women make with men...

   WHY don't these responses and ways of
communicating and dealing with men work? Even
though at the time responding this way makes
absolute sense?

   Because they all have one terrible thing in
common...

   They are all deadly forms of what I call
APPROVAL SEEKING BEHAVIOR.

   Ok, so what does that mean?

   And why is it such a terrible thing when it
comes to men, dating, attraction, and having a man
see you as the kind of woman he really wants to be
with?

   Good question...

   I'm going to try and make a long and
complicated story very short here to show you what
approval seeking behavior is, and why it's such a
GIANT MISTAKE with men...

   See, men have all kinds of ways of thinking,
seeing things, and behaviors that aren't
completely conscious - but are what I'll call more
BIOLOGICAL or INSTINCTUAL.

   These are things that have been instilled in
them over thousands and millions of years of
"conditioning" during mating and courtship rituals
with women.

   When a man is looking for a woman, a part of
his instinctual "wiring" unconsciously tells him
to look for a woman who is healthy and "fit".

   This means that men are biologically wired to
look for, and feel "attracted" to women who have
the qualities and traits that indicate a high
level of health and "fitness".

   But unfortunately, this "screening process"
that's going on inside a man's mind is largely
UNCONSCIOUS.

   In other words, a man can't and won't just walk
up to a woman and say,

   "Hi, I'm looking for a mate. I'd like to know
if you would make a good mate for me. Are you any
of the following?

-Physically fit and healthy so you can conceive a
healthy child, give birth, and raise him/her?

-"Genetically fit" so that you have a high
likelihood to bear successful offspring by passing
off great qualities like size, strength,
intelligence, immunity, etc?

-Intelligent, "funny", and resourceful so that you
can not only be a mate that makes me feel
attracted to you and want to conceive lots of
children... but also help in this world of hard-
to-come-by resources?

-Going to make a great mother who can care for our
child and raise it while I'm out trying to
"provide"?

   Catch my drift?

   This is part of the reason why so often a woman
will ask a man why he's feeling one way or
another... or why he's acting different or not
interested in a relationship and he can't explain
it.

   It's just the way he FEELS.

   Either he FEELS ATTRACTED. Or he doesn't.

   Of course, these "biological buttons" aren't
the only thing going on inside a man's mind.

   Men do have more CONSCIOUS processes for the
way they choose a woman, and for the way they
feel.

   If trying to cram all this into your head and
understand what it means, and how to respond to
all these things while trying to have a real
conversation with a man seems ridiculous and
daunting to you - it should.

   The reality is that you can't sit and think to
yourself... "Gee, I'd like him to think I'd make a
good mate who could rear successful and healthy
children, I'll tell him about how healthy me and
my family are."

   It just doesn't work that way.

   A man looks at much subtler "cues" about a
woman that tell him what to think.

   Some of these "cues" are:

-Physical Appearance (the obvious one): If you
have a specific hip-to-waist ratio, without
consciously "measuring" it, a man will see it and
possibly feel a physical attraction

-Health: Things like how white the whites in your
eyes are, your scent, and the tone and nature of
your skin are all subtle indicators of a healthy
immune system. Men find white eyes, certain
scents, and smooth skin attractive not because
they know they indicate that a woman is healthy
and will have a high likelihood of success for
offspring, but because they FEEL ATTRACTED to
these things for some reason.

-"Emotional Fitness": If a woman has the kind of
attitude and "vibe" about her that is fun to be
around, stimulating, exciting, and positive and
consistent... then a man unconsciously will see
her as a good long-term mate.

    To find out all the things that truly interest
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   And even then you might not arrive at what is
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Re: Info from a dating book...
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2007, 12:28:07 AM »
Terrific stuff, and interesting coincidence that his name's Christian Carter, because Steven Carter wrote Men Who Can't Love, an excellent, in fact I found it revelatory, self-help book about dating. Read it, I do hope you will, Write...

Hops

"That'll do, pig, that'll do."

WRITE

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Re: Info from a dating book...
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2007, 05:23:16 PM »
well I haven't ordered it because I am so behind in my reading and have a pile already, but several phrases jumped out at me! ( I'll put them below )
However I don't like the idea that I just have to learn how to handle men...or that some of the issues are even gender issues at all.
It is good stuff though!

That's why you can't help yourself...Before you even hear from him again, you're
telling your girlfriends all about him, what a
great time you had, what it's like when you're
together...


yes, I've done this, got ahead of myself!

to make sure things keep moving forward in
the right direction, you start trying a little
harder with him to get it right this time.
You do all kinds of nice things for him.....You realize how much you're doing for him and
all the ways you're trying... and suddenly  it
hits you- He isn't making much of an effort to do
anything for you or your relationship.
Not the way you are with him.


and this!

Some women actually go on to spend the next few
weeks or maybe even MONTHS doing everything they
can to try and win the guy back.They think that if they can just get him to
stop ignoring what it is that they share, and to
not be afraid... that the guy will "come to his
senses" and come back to them.


that was pretty much my whole marriage...okay I exaggerate, but not much...






spyralle

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Re: Info from a dating book...
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2007, 09:36:30 AM »
God Write that has been pretty much my whole life.  And you know what is worse.  Now I know I'm doing it and I hate doing it but I do it anyway!!!

Spyralle x

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Re: Info from a dating book...
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2007, 10:42:21 PM »
Well, Spy...
maybe in a way it IS getting better because your awareness is beginning to chafe at you...

That sounds like a whole woman trying to break free of that fear of not deserving a man's generous heart.

You do deserve it.

Hops
"That'll do, pig, that'll do."