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steve

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Why I doubt myself
« on: January 02, 2007, 04:43:00 PM »
Hello all:

I haven't posted in a long time and have been progressing slowly with this whole N-father thing. Lately, I have just been continuously thinking about my past and the crap I went through from the person who says he loves me (though he has never said it to me in my life = 43 years). Several years ago I made a huge mistake and I lay the blame partly on him and partly on myself for giving any credence to any of his words. The reason I bring it up is that I can not understand how anyone can be so heartless and unsupportive. At present I am barely surviving financially and really have nothing of any significance in my life. I am literally at the bottom point of my existence.

You see, 7 years ago I was completing my Ph.D. program. At that time, my father had decided to retire and left his business in the hands of his brother. Anyways, I was fortunate enough and talented enough to receive a job offer to teach at a prestigous university. It was very uncommon to receive an offer like this before graduating, so I was very pleased. I called up my parents to let them know the good news. His response was basically "ok, but I have a big problem with the business that I need you to take care of". There was no congratulations, no I am proud of you, no I knew you could do it, not even thats great news. Needless to say I was very upset.

Nonetheless, I kept trecking on and within a year this school offered me a tenure track position. Again, something unprecedented from this university. Their salary offer was more than decent with significant escalations once I received my Ph. D. Again, I called my parents to give them the news. His response was " what are they paying you". So reluctantly, I told him my starting salary. His response was "thats all, thats what high school teachers make". Though I knew that his remark was not true, it made me completely devalue my offer. I was so desponded that eventually I did not finish my Ph.D. and I actually turned down the offer. i dipped in to a severe depression which I continue to suffer from even today.

Today i realize that he is worthless as a father but I just cannot understand how someone could be so evil. I have severe doubts in anything I undertake and struggle to complete the most mundane tasks.

Any insights in to my story would be greatly appreciated.

Steve

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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2007, 06:07:55 PM »
Wow.  That is certainly a sad story but it doesn't have to end that way.  The bottom line is that it is now up to you to change the way you see yourself.  It is not easy but based on your academic record if anyone can do it you certainly can do it AND it has been done.  Your father's voice is the one that is running your life right now but YOU and only you can change that.

It is easy to say though not necessarily easy to do.  What makes it difficult is that his belittling voice has been internalized in subconscious and unconscious parts of your mind and you have to ferret that voice out and replace those demeaning words with positive encouraging ones that, at first, may seem untrue.  Persistence and determination will win out and you clearly have both of those.

Don't let your father's hatefulness be a part of you anymore!! - Gaining Strength

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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2007, 09:18:00 PM »
hi steve,
Would your father's business put him on "a lower scale" professionally than you would have been had you continued?

As GS says, "You've already proven yourself..... "....that you can do it, so recommence me lad, recommence!

I have serious questions as to whether my raging father was an N After he retired from farming and moved to the city, he worked for the hospital. I was in the same city and he was always treating our salaries as being competetive! I hated that. Well so did he when I was making more than he was. Then he'd get a raise and surpass me and each time I wished he'd just leave the topic alone.

That's whyIi asked that question at the outset!

isit....... :lol:


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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2007, 09:24:55 PM »
Hi Steve and Welcome,
Do you think you did what you did to fulfill your Dad's ideas of you? I kow as a teen I was treated like I was sexually motivated in spite of being completely innocent at the time.... I did manage to be quite wild for a while and show a true lack of compassion for others in relationships... It was taboo, and I was the naughty one... so I was supposed to act that way, it seemed.I let my mother set my identity...And I acted out in the ways she "expected" me to.
What do you think? Does this correlate to you giving up a great prospect?
Where do you plan to go from here? Are you ready to see yourself as you really are? (Intelligent, capable, accomplished...)?
Keep posting, it really helps.
Love, Beth
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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2007, 08:54:00 AM »
Hi Steve,
(Glad you are here)

Your post is so painful to read because we know how hurtful and paralyzing our toxic family etc can be. My heart aches for your pain you are experiencing as I am also enraged for you.

Please share more, you sound like you are in a huge need of support...a gentle place to be. I have found be realeasing all that those toxic tapes they protrude on us is very much helpful.

YOU are wonderful, and all that you have accomplished. Can you imagine taking that energy and hard work and directing it to yourself, LOVE you, HOLD you, HEAL you, of course softly and slowly. A step at a time?

Sending much energy and strength to pick yourself up, we can help, we can hold you...Take our hand...seasons
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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2007, 09:18:41 AM »
Hi Steve,
I like to think of you standing in a safe private place, yelling at the top of your lungs:

I DON'T KNOW WHAT PART OF YOU IS BROKEN BUT I WILL NOT LET YOUR EMOTIONAL CRUELTY CRIPPLE ME!

I HAVE A LIFE AND I AM WORTHY OF HAPPINESS!

I AM GOING TO CREATE MY OWN DEFINITION OF SUCCESS AND DO IT FOR MYSELF!

I WILL NOT LET YOU LIVE IN MY BRAIN ANY LONGER!

WHEN I HEAR YOUR VOICE IN MY HEAD I AM GOING TO YELL BACK AND CONTRADICT YOU!

I HAVE LEARNED FROM MY LOSSES AND I DO NOT CARE WHERE I BEGIN, THE PAST IS PAST AND I WILL BEGIN FROM WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW!

(Sorry for yelling. But do you think it would help you to yell? Not at him...that's pointless, he's deaf. But at the universe. To declare yourself here, and as worthy of creating your own happiness as any other born human.)

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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2007, 04:17:16 PM »
Steve,

I know exactly how you feel.  You see, my mother did exactly the same thing to me when I was about to graduate from college.  I was offered a good job that I really wanted and that was something of a long shot for me to get.  Her response to the offer caused me to devalue it and ultimately reject it.  I have regretted the decision ever since, and I have spent most of my adult life under-employed and risk-averse.

As I grew into adulthood, that job offer became just one illustration of an increasingly undeniable fact:  My mother didn't want me to be happy.  She didn't want me to achieve my goals.  She didn't want me to connect with other people and develop a successful life independent of her. 

Why?  Who knows?  And really, who cares?  Once I genuinely accepted my mother's deficiencies--appalling though they were--I gradually came to realize that it's not up to me to explain them.  I will never know the "why" of what she did to me.  The important thing, for me, was to see things as they were (and are), to really understand that she does not create my experience, to listen to voices besides hers.

I am your age (43).  My job offer happened over 20 years ago.  Leaving a few years for graduate school, I imagine yours happened at least 15 years ago.  Isn't it time to stop beating ourselves over the head with one missed opportunity and go forward?  There's still a lot of time left, and while neither of us is going to be a wunderkind at our age, that's no reason to devote our lives to bitterness.

As you know, my mother died in 2006.  While I miss her, I also feel an undeniable freedom, a lightness of spirit that I have not felt in many years.  I don't have to worry about what to tell her, or what her reaction will be, ever again.  I did my best to help her, but now I must show the same level of energy and concern in helping myself. 

That doubt you feel is the internalized voice of your father.  It may sound and feel like your own thought, but it isn't.  And "realizing" that he's "worthless" as a father is only a small, small part of what you need to do.  The harder task is to make your peace with the parts of him that you carry around in your own character.  If your journey is anything like mine, you will be confused, angry, and hurt.  It will take years.  There will be moments when you aren't at all sure where the line is between hating yourself and hating the father-in-you.  And the hardest part of all will be extending honest compassion and love to yourself--both the adult you are and the child you were--because only by doing that can you silence the incessant drumbeat of not-worthy-not-worthy-not-worthy that accompanies everything you do.

But I believe it is possible.  I believe there's an "other side" to how you feel, and that you can get there.  You can reclaim the person you are.  You can listen to the voices that believed, and believe, in you, instead of those that don't. 

You ask how anyone can be so evil.  Steve, people are a great deal more evil than your father, or my mother.  I refuse to give my mother any more power by demonizing her.  She did what she did, and I have to clean up the mess.  But so does everybody.  Personally, I count myself very fortunate because I am not subject to the same forces.  I can break free.  I can see, and act on what I see.

And so can you.  If you are depressed, you need to get treatment.  Personally, I think this journey is impossible without a therapist, but of course that's an individual decision.  But please know that you are not alone, and that we are all pulling for you.

best,
daylily

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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2007, 06:52:39 PM »
BTW Steve,
My mother thinks my professional life is worthless, as is my degree. If I ever complain about anything at work, she justs says I should quit. She has no respect or understanding for what I do. Meanwhile, my sister just became a doctor and she can talk about someone farting in a room and it is a fascinating story. I have a master's degree from a great school and her take on it was that my field was "easy for me." That is what I was told all through school and college... that I did well in things that were "easy for me." But that my sister really "worked." Amazing, huh? And in a way, I still feel that about myself... that I am worthless and just somehow skated by...
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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2007, 07:58:38 PM »
Steve and all,

You know you can never get inside another person's head to know what makes them think the way they do--but I think I have a pretty good idea of what an N is thinking when they devalue your accomplishments and sabotage your success.

N's think there is only a limited amount of happiness and accomplishment to go around.  If you take a big chunk, it will leave less for them.  They can't live with that, so they try to take your chunk!  If you can lose it--they might get it back. 

Stupid thinking--they would never consciously admit it.  But I think I'm right.

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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2007, 08:02:07 PM »
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And in a way, I still feel that about myself... that I am worthless and just somehow skated by...

Oh gratitude that is so painful to hear. Knowing the truth is the complete opposite. I hope you can claim your hardwork and take back your deserving accomplishments. I am so proud of YOU! ((hugs always)) seasons
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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2007, 08:16:44 PM »
Yes, I know it's not true... but sometimes you just get that ugly feeling that creeps up :( Not so much anymore. I have to say, I am mostly surrounded by people who love and appreciate me... and boy does it make a difference! My kids and dog think I am the best thing since sliced bread  :lol: Seriously, sometimes I realize that my talents are special, but, as I have told my kids, I believe all people are gifted in an area (or two) and are so fortunate if they can find that area and develop it.
Funny how the N never realizes that. They think there are "special people" in the world and they are amongst them.
Thank you for your kind words, seasons. You have been a lovely addition to the board. Your posts are helpful and bring out fresh points for us all to discuss.
Love, Beth
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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2007, 08:44:28 PM »
Steve

At some point Steve can you see he envy's you your youth your ability to love .

Maybe you do not need this man's approval and maybe he will not ever change.

Please do not let him stop your life.

It can be a beautiful life if we let ourselves see it....

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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2007, 06:25:43 AM »
I just wanted to apologize for not looking back at your post as I wrote my reply.  I can't edit it because I posted as a guest.  The events you refer to happened seven years ago, as you clearly stated.  Please excuse me for not getting that right.

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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2007, 07:19:50 AM »
Feel a need to go back on something I realised a few weeks ago having read this thread.  Getting rid of that internalized abusive voice is one of the hardest things to do.  I am just detaching from it.  It has taken a long time and has been a painful process.  It is as if the Nparents write the script and we play it out.  To change the script takes vigilant awareness, hard hard work.  Each time I hear that voice or any of the Nvoices in my life I stop and without judgement say to myself in a very very gentle voice "I am punishing me"....... this is not me critizing me I say it as if it is a fact, like the sun is shining today.  Somehow this has released me from the voice.  I do not want to punish myself for THEIR twisted hatred any longer.  It is such a simple exercise and for me it is making a difference.

I believe it takes time to purge yourself of this virus but it is possible. 

So sad to witness all the pain that has been thrust on the people here.

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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2007, 09:30:53 PM »
axa,
It does take time, and, even moreso, sometimes you don't realize that there is a voice you don't want. I recognize new ones seemingly as soon as I have dealt with another. I have a new one this week... the one that says that there is something wrong with a person if they show any interest in me. If a man is kind to me, I assume he is a loser and no women like him and that's why he would be sweet. If a woman is nice to me, I assume she is in some way sick and that's why she would want to be friends with me.
I am trying to sort this all out now. I am a nice person and a good friend. But I am going to choose my friends now by how they treat me and not think that they are defective because they like me.
What a ball of confusion.
Along with this, I realized that what brought this about was a lot of the "image" my mother projected on me. Remember those skinny jeans that zipped on the bottom (and are coming back into style now)? That was one of the styles I really wanted to wear. And my calves are big. Had I had a poroer mother, she would have pointed out that I had a very sporty and nice figure (I really did). Instead I was told that my body type (grimace from her) just didn't fit into styles like that. She pointed that out as much as possible. Even this past summer, visiting, she took a lunchtime to explain how she had a hot figure like my sister's, then paused and said, well, no I guess nowadays I look more like you... i.e. she is getting uglier. Nice, huh? Conversations always revolved around my hip size, thigh size, dress size... you name it. That has been the most important thing to her about me... where I am on the scale.
Thanks for letting me pour this all out.
Love, Beth
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