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Re: 'It's just a bad day'
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2007, 12:29:07 AM »
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Re: 'It's just a bad day'
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2007, 06:59:04 AM »
CB

I know what you mean about people saying you can change your behavior and then magically the N will be better.  My mother use to tell me if I could be behave differently my husband would be nicer and happier.  Just yesterday when I mentioned something he did that was typical N she said well maybe when he finds a woman that makes him happy he will be less vindictive!  I mentioned for the 100th time he is never going to be happy, he can only maintain the act for about 3 months, his abuse was real and he has treated every person he has ever had a relationship with in the same abusive manner he treated me.  She witnessed the abuse, she was on the receiving end of the abuse yet she still says stupid things indicating I somehow wasn't the right woman for him.

I too grew up in an alcoholic household.  The difference was my parents appeared, at least to us, to be the pilliars of society.  Since most of the time we spent with them was when they were drinking (my mom would drink secretly in the afternoon well into the evening and my dad drank at lunch and dinner) I didn't realize they were drunk.  My mom never appeared drunk and my dad was a happy drunk.  Because of the enviorment I grew up in it didn't seem strange that my husband drank ever night.  I realized when the kids were little that lifestyle wouldn't work for me.  No one in my family can discuss alcoholism because everyone is afraid of a finger being pointed in their direction.  If an alcoholic incident happened: fight, pass out in a chair, blow-up a guest in the house, mean comments, rage attack at one of the kids....it was never mentioned again.  No one ever discussed feelings or emotions.  Dinners were a time to pontificate on our superiority and judge the neighbors and relatives. 

When you grow up in a alcoholic household that has a great cover up going on you almost buy into the myth.  I often wonder if I had married a nice guy would I never have figured it out, did I marry a N to make me face the co-dependency issues, to force me to learn to stand up for myself and become a better person and mother.  Obviously, my ex husband exhibited traits that were familiar and comfortable to me otherwise I wouldn't have married him.

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Re: 'It's just a bad day'
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2007, 08:17:35 AM »
Hi CB,
I'm so sorry about your Dad. What awful memories. Rolling down the hill. My god. And the dinner table? Ugggghhhhhhhhh.

You may not have realized I was referring not to my own but to my daughter's father (that was my first husband, and it always feels funny to call him my ex, because...I've had two exes). So, it was my husband, not my father. But I imagine a lot of the feelings were the same.

GAP,
What a mature attitude toward your history. That's a fine example of UNSTUCK thinking. I'm very impressed. I am so sorry you have a mother who would speak to you this way:

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she said well maybe when he finds a woman that makes him happy he will be less vindictive!


What does it cost you emotionally to confide in her? It's my usual, but I bet a women's support group would be a healing and empowering place for you to take these troubles, rather than your mother.

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Re: 'It's just a bad day'
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2007, 12:04:30 PM »
Please note that I started a new post on this called WHEN LOVED ONES DON'T SUPPORT US.


Hi GAP,

Would you please elaborate on your ideas which I highlighted below:

"My mother use to tell me if I could be behave differently my husband would be nicer and happier."

"..she said well maybe when he finds a woman that makes him happy he will be less vindictive!"

"...yet she still says stupid things indicating I somehow wasn't the right woman for him."


You have verbalized something I used to experience with my N mom.  I felt that often, my mom would take the side of my enemy.  For example, if I told mom that someone treated me badly, she would often respond with "what did you do to cause it?".  Of course this drove me nuts.

If you can, would you, and everyone, please talk about how we turn to people for support and they respond by saying we caused the unpleasantness, when the evidence shows the contrary.

What is the nature of this dynamic?  Is it an N thing?

Please note that I started a new post on this.

Thanks,
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Re: 'It's just a bad day'
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2007, 12:59:38 PM »
Dear Dazed,

I'm just finally emerging from a lifetime of this crap...I rarely tell my mother or father or certain siblings anything.  I have had to pay a lot of money to therapist to have them tell me "You are more then fine, you are incredibly grounded, you never have a wrong take on any situation, you handle yourself with grace and style, you are an admirable person."  My family does the opposite.  When someone behaves badly they say it is my fault.  If someone rages it is because I should have anticipated that person's needs better.  When I tell certain family members a story, they tell me why I'm wrong.  One brother said I make certain family members feel badly because other people like me, I have good social skills and I look OK (this is while I'm in the middle of a divorce from a nasty N and dealing with major issues with teenage children).  He thought I should tone down who I am.

Bascially, the reality of who I was was never reflected back to me by my family.  I truly thought I was stupid, uncoordinated, ugly and annoying.  Truth was I was very likeable, social astute,smart, a pretty good athelte, not bad looking and far from annoying.  But those voices are always hard to get out of your head....and for many years I continued to attract people "N's".  I could provide the supply they needed for a while...but we all know the downside. 

The subtle deragatory comments from my mother have been amazing.  My house was going to be on a house walk and she asked if someone was going to come and redecorate it before the walk.  She called me and said that now that I was divorced I should quit having Christmas dinner at my house and start acting like a divorced woman (I've always had a big party for Christmas).  She really doesn't get me, doesn't get why people like me, or like my style and taste.  She use to drop me off a block from the train when I was going downtown when I was young because she didn't like my clothes.  When I was gettting married years ago and told her over dinner that the man I was choicing to marry was divorced, no kids and the marriage was annulled she started crying and said I had ruined her moment. 

I now walk away from people that say subtle things to undermine my confidence.  I actually feel sorry for them because it is their insecurity speaking, it is their way of feeling superior.  The minute I recognize the behavior, I disengage.  When someone says black when you say white on a consistent basis that is abuse....it is incredibly passive agressive behavior.  Nine times out of ten when a friend tells me a story where someone has treated them inappropriately I'll point out to them why it wasn't about them but rather was the person with the bad behavior insecurites creeping out. 

My therapist calls me the black sheep that just won't play the role of failure.  I'm just different from most of the family and they certainly wouldn't have picked me.  My therapist wants to use my story in a book...he says his opening line will be, she came from the perfect family, if you could ignore the alchoholism, judgemental behavior and abuse.  Although I've never confronted my parents, they know I've been to therapy and they know they have no control over me. 

Good idea starting a thread on this topic.

Gap

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Re: 'It's just a bad day'
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2007, 01:26:40 PM »
Hi Gap,

First, let me than you so much for focasing me on this issue.

Yes, I did start a new thread on this. 

You are so wonderfully balanced and grounded.  Hope I can be like you one day.

I also paid lotsa money to a therapist, but, I didn't emerge as grounded as you.

Yes, your family members have reacted very weirdly (for lack of a better word) and badly to you.

"My therapist calls me the black sheep that just won't play the role of failure. "  I love that.

Thanks again, GAP.

dazed


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Re: 'It's just a bad day'
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2007, 07:30:16 PM »
Wow, there is just soooo much good stuff here.

Hops, your story about enabling is sooooo true. You did the right thing, as hard as it might have been.

CB, GAP, Hops, my family was also an alcoholic mess. My mother is a HUGE enabler. Yet at the same time she bashes my dad. She will tell him he needs to control himself better at one moment and then ask him why he isn't going to the liquor store when they pass it a second later. She did this to me too. She adores others "failures."

Along with all this I recently realized that I started drinking and smoking and doing other "adult" stuff as soon as I could. Since being a kid didn't count in our house, I was dying to do the things that made you an "adult."

Any conversation with my mother includes a derogatory comment towards me... usualkly disguised as a "joke." The latest was that my husband got a new bike and she said, "So, what, you are going to ride the old one." Meaning I was too unfit or something to do that. Of course I stuttered back that I was going to the gym... Why did I eve feel I needed to justify it????

There is so much here... want to reread it all.

Hard subjects...

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Re: 'It's just a bad day'
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2007, 08:19:28 PM »
A line from the eulogy I wrote for my Dad:

"...without much comment, he somehow made me feel that black sheep make wonderful wool."

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Re: 'It's just a bad day'
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2007, 01:23:53 AM »
What posts.  There is another black sheep lurking here!!

I too come from a family with an alcoholic mother..... even though I come from a huge family... good irish catholics.... I am the only one who really knows this. Where were the rest of them.  The bottles of whiskey, the raging hangovers, the anger.... like I dreamed it all up.  It is amazing the number of people her who  have this problem in t heir family background.  Does this groom us for Ns? What comes to mind is a childhood of trying to keep the peace (which I did with XN also) Overlooking the reality of the madness (which I did with XN also) discounting the meanness and making excuses for it (Which I did with XN also).  I think I could go along with this for a long time and the parrell of living with an N is so frighteningly similiar.  In a temper one day I screamed at XN "You are like a dry drunk"  I dont know where that came from but it came deep inside of me.  I dont think I even understood what it meant at the time but in retrospect  it is another truth.

There is so much in this thread I am overwhelmed by the content and the familiarity of it all.

love to all

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Re: 'It's just a bad day'
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2007, 06:48:30 PM »
Just a flying visit. Hope everyone is okay, I've had a few more bad days this week but I keep reminding myself things aren't SO bad and they will get better!

Thanks for all your encouragement, it really does help.

It's interesting I said I wanted to be the same no matter what happened and I am  working toward that- but it is not the huge swings from good to bad and back as things were before- there has to be a stability in the middle for that: people/ situations are neither good nor bad mostly, just my reaction to them. Most of the things I obsess about don't even affect me that closely when I examine what's going on...just trigger wild emotional responses either because of my past or where I am in my bipolar cycle...

Better go, take care everyone.

Love
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Re: 'It's just a bad day'
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2007, 07:39:52 PM »
Write
So glad your mood swings are not really rough right now.
The big goal you have achieved long ago the sweetness of your heart.

If only everyone operated in the world this way.I hope your son is doing great and he likes school .
Did he have to change schools when you moved??

Yes nothing and no one is all bad or all good. My mood swings are triggered from outside events as well.
Write so glad you are taking care of yourself and hope you getting enough sleep.
I am reading T.S. Elliott again and into poetry also a little zen.

Love to you

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Re: 'It's just a bad day'
« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2007, 06:06:49 PM »
Hi Moon.
Thank you, I hope you are well too. I was only thinking about you yesterday and wrote a little post but didn't have time to wait the 60 seconds from the previous one before I had to vacate the computer!

TS Eliot is wonderful some of it,

What we call the beginning is often the end
And to make and end is to make a beginning.
The end is where we start from....We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.


I think my favourite poem has always been Dylan Thomas' Refusal to mourn:

A Refusal to Mourn the Death, by Fire, of a Child in London
      Never until the mankind making
      Bird beast and flower
      Fathering and all humbling darkness
      Tells with silence the last light breaking
      And the still hour
      Is come of the sea tumbling in harness
     
      And I must enter again the round
      Zion of the water bead
      And the synagogue of the ear of corn
      Shall I let pray the shadow of a sound
      Or sow my salt seed
      In the least valley of sackcloth to mourn
     
      The majesty and burning of the child's death.
      I shall not murder
      The mankind of her going with a grave truth
      Nor blaspheme down the stations of the breath
      With any further
      Elegy of innocence and youth.
     
      Deep with the first dead lies London's daughter,
      Robed in the long friends,
      The grains beyond age, the dark veins of her mother,
      Secret by the unmourning water
      Of the riding Thames.
      After the first death, there is no other.


Love to you too, and to everyone. Got to go quicker than I intended, my son wants to snuggle up on the sofa and watch tv...how can I refuse  :)

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Re: 'It's just a bad day'
« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2007, 07:38:48 PM »
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Robed in the long friends,

What an extraordinary line.

Thank you for this, Write. I didn't know this poem.

I'm glad you're snuggling with your sweet boy.

Consider yourself hugged good. I know winter's hard and
you've been plowing through your personal snow with such
grace and courage. You WILL reach spring!

hugs,
Hops
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Re: 'It's just a bad day'
« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2007, 09:23:00 PM »
write and hops

those poems are lovely
what hearts of understanding and kindness

love to you

moon

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Re: 'It's just a bad day'
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2007, 09:29:01 PM »
Dear Axa,

I too come from a family with an alcoholic mother..... even though I come from a huge family... good irish catholics.... I am the only one who really knows this. Where were the rest of them.



Oh how I can relate to the denial.  Irish Catholic, big family.....majority buy into the myth...thank God, one brother has come to the other side.  I view facing reality as "opening a can of worms" if you don't need to why would you.  What lead me on my journey of self discovery was marrying a "N" and the abuse getting so bad I had to talk to someone to find out what I could do differently to make the situation better.  As lonely as it sometimes is to know the truth and have other family members continue to live the myth I wouldn't have it any other way.  The wisdom and understanding I have obtained by facing the truth makes it all worth it, painful, but worth it

GAP.