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Leah

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you can't move on without validation
« on: January 20, 2007, 10:18:33 AM »
I get told over and over ..... "forget all about it and just move on"

Not realising what I was searching for all this time, but, now I know what I was searching for ....... Validation !!

Anyone having walked through a lifetime of emotional and verbal abuse from the very ones who were supposed to love and nurture them, their family, and, to top it all, their husband too, walking through life's journey not understanding why this is happening, and, never any acceptance or acknowledgement of the abuse, cannot simply brush themselves down, forget all about it, and move on. 

Finding out and gaining knowledge about the root cause of the behaviour(s) is so very important, but, you walk around feeling lost - I have felt 'lost' for so long now.  And as you try to explain to someone who has no knowledge of the behaviour, or judges you for 'divorcing' from your Nmother, this person in whom you have confided invariably distances themselves from you, perceiving that the problem is with you!!

Alienation the occurs, resulting in feelings of despair, anguish and frustration - all because you opened up to share!

Validation is the final piece of the jigsaw.

Surely it is only after one receives Validation that the healing process can really begin. 

Afterwards, restoration can commence.

Resulting in the 'new you', whole and complete, equipped to be discerning of the behaviour(s) that is damaging to ones soul.

Then one is able to move on.

Just my thoughts and ramblings!

Leah



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Re: you can't move on with validation
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2007, 10:20:15 AM »
leah, you GO girl!

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Re: you can't move on without validation
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2007, 10:47:21 AM »
((((Leah))))

I understand your feelings about divorcing an Nmom. I find myself going through this situation right now. It is very painful and it becomes even harder when people around you don't seem to understand.

Sometimes in order to stay clear about my feelings, I imagine Nmom to be an aquiaintance or someone who is not related to me. Then I ask myself:

Would I allow another person to speak to me in this way?
Would I allow another person to call me and take up all time time listening to them go on about themselves?
Would I allow another person to manipulate me and lay guilt trips on me at will?

When I can very clearly say "no" to these questions then I know I'm on the right track. For peple who tell me s**t like: "Well she's your mother" I ask them the same questions? Usually when they say they would never allow that in their lives then I ask them why they would want me to allow it in mine.

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Re: you can't move on without validation
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2007, 11:10:00 AM »
Wow Liberty (love the name by the way)

Thanks for posting how you handle being questioned regarding your no contact with Nmother, will try to remember and do likewise.

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Re: you can't move on without validation
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2007, 11:16:37 AM »
leah & lib - you already know this, I feel silly saying it, but hey.

When folks tell us to 'forget it and move on', what they are really telling us is 'I don't want to have to think about that, so don't tell me'.

They may have all kinds of reasons for not wanting to think about it, but the bottom line is, they've closed a door between themselves and us. Important message there. You know this already, but I guess I felt that it's important enough to bear repeating.
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Re: you can't move on without validation
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2007, 11:21:50 AM »
I get told over and over ..... "forget all about it and just move on"

Not realising what I was searching for all this time, but, now I know what I was searching for ....... Validation !!

Anyone having walked through a lifetime of emotional and verbal abuse from the very ones who were supposed to love and nurture them, their family, and, to top it all, their husband too, walking through life's journey not understanding why this is happening, and, never any acceptance or acknowledgement of the abuse, cannot simply brush themselves down, forget all about it, and move on. 

Finding out and gaining knowledge about the root cause of the behaviour(s) is so very important, but, you walk around feeling lost - I have felt 'lost' for so long now.  And as you try to explain to someone who has no knowledge of the behaviour, or judges you for 'divorcing' from your Nmother, this person in whom you have confided invariably distances themselves from you, perceiving that the problem is with you!!

Alienation the occurs, resulting in feelings of despair, anguish and frustration - all because you opened up to share!

Validation is the final piece of the jigsaw.

Surely it is only after one receives Validation that the healing process can really begin. 

Afterwards, restoration can commence.

Resulting in the 'new you', whole and complete, equipped to be discerning of the behaviour(s) that is damaging to ones soul.

Then one is able to move on.

Just my thoughts and ramblings!

Leah





I can relate!!!

What also makes me so ANGRY was when I attempted to go to a professional therapist to work through these issues only to be told "You only need a man!  That will solve all your problems!"  Not only did he refuse to validate me, he refused to discuss anything that I was struggling with.  He kept trying to force me into his concept of what a woman "should be".  I fired him and now I don't trust therapists enough to try again.

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Re: you can't move on without validation
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2007, 11:28:05 AM »
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When folks tell us to 'forget it and move on', what they are really telling us is 'I don't want to have to think about that, so don't tell me'. 

They may have all kinds of reasons for not wanting to think about it, but the bottom line is, they've closed a door between themselves and us. Important message there. You know this already, but I guess I felt that it's important enough to bear repeating.


Thanks for posting that Storm, much needed reality check - that's certainly hit the nail on the head for me.  It is indeed important.

in particular, my youngest sibling, her very words were "I don't want to talk about that" to practically everything I talked about!!  Her closing comment "I can do whatever I want to" had red flags flying full mast!

Leah.


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Re: you can't move on without validation
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2007, 11:54:10 AM »
HI leah,


I think that sometimes, counsellors can themselves have personality / character disorders which they themselves have not addresed and this renders them unable to be discerning and to deal with certain situations properly. We should not put them up on pedestals (not saying that you are but I have made this mistake in the past) when in truth they are human and just like us they may be: unprofessional, luninterested, azy, greedy conceited etc.....

I think that we should trust our own instincts about these things perhaps more than we should trust others. Just my opinion ....
Lib

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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2007, 12:00:43 PM »
Bones,

My counsellor one hour a week (for 6 weeks) was fruitless, as I sat explaining to her about personality disorders and behaviours, to which she would reply "how fascinating!!"  "I must read up on all this sometime". !!! what?!! 

"make it sometime soon" was my inner response, midst shock!

Not so much as a glimmer of validation  so I ended it.

Leah

Do you feel as angry as I do about the money we wasted on those idiots?!?!?

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Re: you can't move on without validation
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2007, 12:06:50 PM »
No offense Doc Grossman or other mental health professionals here, but it is no exaggeration to say that the majority of mental health pros I have known or known of, would be better off were they in the consumer end of their industry rather than the dispensing end.

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Re: you can't move on without validation
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2007, 05:05:29 PM »
Leah,

My counsellor one hour a week (for 6 weeks) was fruitless, as I sat explaining to her about personality disorders and behaviours, to which she would reply "how fascinating!!"  "I must read up on all this sometime". !!! what?!!

"make it sometime soon" was my inner response, midst shock!

Not so much as a glimmer of validation  so I ended it.


ME TOO!!!  Same thing happened to me. 

Also, I would describe N characteristics of my mom and T said "I can't diagnose anyone who I haven't seen" and there our discussion would end.

It's turned me off therapy, but I really need to go back to therapy.  But, I've got to find someone good.

dazed

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Re: you can't move on without validation
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2007, 07:19:47 PM »
Dr. G has a really good essay on this site about his own experience with an abusive therapist - although he puts it much more kindly. Let me see if I can find it and link to it.

http://www.voicelessness.com/failedtherapy.htm

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Re: you can't move on without validation
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2007, 12:04:46 PM »
Here! Here!  My t listened to my mom and when i got in there it was as if everything coming out of his mouth was controlled by my nmom.  Almost like he was her puppet.  She told him her side of the story and he bought it.  That seems to be the way it is.  Everyone looks at the n and wonders what is wrong with us?  Because the n has a way to present themselves so that they look rational.  I don't know what post it was but someone said something about the s's and the clenched teeth.  I shuddered because when I get in a room with my nmom by myself and we start our "fights" she gets that marble eyed, clenched teeth, angry hateful talk which only I get to witness.  The rest of the world gets the phoney baloney n ,,,,,,,,
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2007, 01:46:26 PM »
Oh Kell

my Nmother too!  They all do it then!  She has to go in and have a private word, when I was in hospital one time, she has to phone up your place of work, she even asked me, two years ago, for the addresses of all the new friends that I had made in my new area where I had relocated to (to get away from painful memories)  as she wanted to send a christmas card to all my new friends ........ get this ....... to say 'thank you' to them for being my friend !!

by the way, she quite literally has no friends.

bad news is she schemed her way into moving down 300 miles to break into my new life!  She just could not let me live .... a life!

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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2007, 03:15:09 PM »
Leah,

Thank you so much for this post.  "You can't move on without validation" is like finding a missing piece of the puzzle of my life.

You made me realize that validation, on many levels, is something I seek.

I never  knew what "validation" meant until about 1 year ago when my T said to me that my parents almost "never validated my feelings".  After T said that, I sat for a few seconds in silence and then thought to myself "Yes, that's it!!  Up until that moment, I almost never felt validated.  Hell, up until that moment, I had no awareness of what validation meant.

Now, I realize that I often did not trust my inner voice and that in a great part has caused me to live an emotionally empty life.  Now, I realize that not having my feelings validated while I was growing up has left me with a black hole of needy emptiness in my psyche.

I realize the validation you're talking about is the validation of someone bearing witness (a la Alice Miller) to the effects of the dysfunctional FOO.  Often, this type of validation comes from a T, but I definately get validation on this board (Bless and thank you ALL).  This type of validation (the witness) feels so GOOD, like someone finally HEARS and understands me. 

When T validated that my parents did NOT validate my feelings, I felt like a NEW PERSON.  But, this validation also made me very sad because I realized that, up until 1.5 years ago,  I have lived almost my entire life in a fog of blind denial and unawareness.

My sister also does not want to talk about the dysfunction in our FOO. I think that my sister does not even know that our FOO was dysfunctional. 

My parents always told us (during childhood and beyond) how lucky we were to have such a wonderful life (all the toys, good schools, summer camp, etc) because my parents grew up poor and had very little. GUILT!!!! 

I now believe that because my parents drummed into me that I had a perfect and prosperous upbringing, it's been very, very hard for me to accept that my FOO was dysfunctional and to accept that the dysfunction has caused me long term damage.  Until about 1.5 years ago, I didn't even know or realize that my FOO was dysfunctional!!  SHOCK, DENIAL, UNAWARENESS!!!. 

SH#T!!  The last 1.5 years has really been a rude awakening for me.

Recently, I subtly discussed with my sister, who I believe is an N, some of the FOO dysfunction.  I didn't outright tell her "I think our parents and grandparents were Ns and our upbringing was very dysfunctional".  Instead, I reminisced about some of our parents' dysfunctional behaviors during our childhood.

In response,  my sister basically made excuses for our parents and said "That's how they were and they tried their best".

I was the codependent golden, hero child and my sister was the scapegoat.  My T said that my parents damaged my sister much more than they damaged me and I feel very badly about that.  My T also told me that my sister is mentally ill and that my parents were in denial about sister's mental illness and instead of helping her, they punished her for not being more perfect.  I don't know if my T is correct in her diagnosis, but this broke my heart.  I would like to help my sister, but she's really difficult to help.

During one of our recent arguments, my sister went into one of her typical yelling rages and she threw back at me the prior discussion I had with her about our parents' dysfunctionality.  She basically said (yelled)  "I don't want to talk about what happened 20 years ago, don't ask me about it anymore, it's over, forget about it and move on".  So, for now, I can't discuss with sister her childhood memories.  Thus, no sharing with sister or validation from sister of hindsight impressions and my sister is the only witness.

Thanks for listening.

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