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Dazed1

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Unconditional Love
« on: February 06, 2007, 12:20:00 PM »
Hi all,

Found this article on the Inet.

Would like to hear your response to the discussion of "Unconditional Love" .

Thanks,
Dazed



Controlling Mothers: Cutting the Apron Strings
 By Greg Baer

Loving and respecting one's mother is a wonderful thing. And most of us have been grateful at some point for the advice we have received from our mothers. But, what do you do when your mother won't stop giving you advice—when her entire life seems to revolve around controlling your life?

Find the solution in my response to the woman in the following letter.

"My mother never stops giving me advice. She tells me how to clean my house, how to raise my children, what I should do on my job, how to treat my ex-husband, how to take care of my cats. The list goes on. She never quits. And then she always follows up, asking for a report about whether I did what she told me to do. I take a lot of her advice, but if I don't do what she wants, she gets mad. I hate it, but I don't know what to do about it. She calls me every day and talks forever. She treats me like I'm eight years old, and I passed eight a long time ago."

Your mother treats you like you're eight because you let her. With your behavior, you're actually inviting her to keep giving you advice, so it's little wonder she does it.

Now, if you hate it so much, why do you let it happen? Because you're still trying to earn your mother's approval. You want her to love you, and you're afraid that if you don't do what she says-and listen to every word she speaks-she won't love you. Why do you have that fear? Because she has proven thousands of times-more than that, really-that when you don't let her control you, she doesn't love you.

If you want your life to change, you have to face up to what your mother's behavior means. Real Love is caring about the happiness of another person without any concern for what we'll get in return. It's unconditional. If I genuinely care about your happiness, I would never try to control you, and I would certainly not get disappointed or angry if you didn't do what I want.

Does your mother unconditionally love you? No, she doesn't. I know that's a hard thing to hear, but look at the evidence. She's interested in what she wants, not what you want. She gets angry at you when you don't do what she wants, which very clearly says to you, "I don't love you."

Now, in her defense, does she have some interest in your well-being? Sure-to some degree, she wants you to be happy, but every time she gets angry, she's telling you that what she wants is more important to her than what you want. She does not realize she's even doing this. She cares about you as much as she knows how, but she doesn't feel enough Real Love in her own life to be able to share any with you. She doesn't withhold her love from you. She simply can't give you what she doesn't have. She tries to control you because when you do what she wants, she feels accepted by you. She also feels a sense of power, which temporarily fills her emptiness in the absence of Real Love.

I know this is hard stuff to accept, but until you see the truth, it's not likely that you'll ever change the way you feel and behave, and that's what you really want, isn't it? When you understand that your mother isn't capable of loving you unconditionally, you can quit demanding it from her.

It will also help you a lot to realize that your frustration here is not a result of your mother's advice. It's a consequence of your expectations that she will love you. Then when she doesn't love you in the way you need-unconditionally-you're disappointed and angry. Your expectations of her love are understandable-who doesn't want their mother to love them-but they're also very unproductive.

Let's imagine that you're starving, and you come across a woman who's also starving. How smart would it be for you to demand from her the food you want? It would be ridiculous to demand from someone what they don't have, but in this case you keep demanding food from her. So who's the problem here, her or you? You are the problem, because you keep expecting from someone what they don't have. That's what you're doing with your mother. You don't realize that when you do what she wants, you're trying to control her affection for you just as much as she's trying to control you.

Again, it's understandable that you want your mother to love you, but what you really need is not HER love. You need love from anyone that has it. Real Love from any source is healing. You demand it from your mother because you unconsciously feel like she should love you-because, after all, she's your mother. But giving birth to you doesn't make her capable of unconditionally loving you. She just can't do that, which she's consistently proven for many years with her behavior.

So what can you do here? First, recognize three things: You have a profound need to be loved, she can't fill that need, and you insist that she do it anyway. When you really see that, much of your frustration will go away. How can you stay irritated at someone who can't behave differently? Then you can do something about your need to feel loved. Learn how you can find the Real Love you need. You can get it from people other than your mother, and when you have that most important ingredient to genuine happiness, you'll quit demanding it from your mother.

What can you do in the meantime, while you're learning to be loved by others? When she starts to give you advice you don't like, there are many things you can say, for example, "Mother, thanks for your advice, but I really do have that under control." If she persists, you can change the subject or tell her you have to go (you have other things to do). Or you can say, "Mom, as much as I love you, I really don't want to hear any more advice today (or hear about that particular subject)." You can stop acting like you're eight and simply tell her what you want.

As you see what's happening here, as you feel loved yourself, and as you clearly (not angrily) tell your mother what you want, your frustration will disappear-whether she changes her behavior or not. You'll see that this whole thing isn't about your mother. It's always about Real Love.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2007, 12:23:27 PM by Dazed1 »

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Re: Unconditional Love
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2007, 12:53:28 PM »

((Dazed))

Another insightful and validating article - just wanted to say Thank you.

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I know this is hard stuff to accept, but until you see the truth, it's not likely that you'll ever change the way you feel and behave, and that's what you really want, isn't it? When you understand that your mother isn't capable of loving you unconditionally, you can quit demanding it from her.

Harsh reality, but it really is the Truth - the truth really did set me free at last, when finally, I let myself go and accepted the truth.

Though, in all honesty, I never demanded unconditional love from my mother, but rather, I begged for it, longed and yearned for it, with false hope.

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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2007, 01:01:41 PM »
One thing the article leaves out is that it should start with me loving me, you loving you, her loving her.  If we can only love ourselves if others love us first, well then that might not happen.  This is something I heard my whole life but never understood or accepted.  In fact, since I thought love came from outside me, and I wasn't getting any, I figured I wasn't loveable.  So, why would I love me.  I kept looking for that from others, wanting to accumulate it, before I would accept that I could love myself.

I did learn several years ago that love is inexhaustible.  Understanding that concept helped a lot.  But it has taken some time to accept the other part--that love starts in oneself.  Actually that is what I think of as an aspect of God.  Just learned that in recent years too.

It is true I think, that all of this is way easier if you start life out on the right foot--with parents who love you unconditionally from the first minute.  But..... since that doesn't always happen, many of us have to just figure it out.

Good article, though.  It talks about something emotional and painful in a way that is practical.  Breaks it right down.  But it will only work if one allows this truth in.

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2007, 01:48:48 PM »
Dear Dazed ,

This just jumped out to me ..........seems it could be said of any healthy relationship.
Thank you for this great article.

It's unconditional. If I genuinely care about your happiness, I would never try to control you, and I would certainly not get disappointed or angry if you didn't do what I want.

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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2007, 03:04:13 PM »
Wonderful article, Dazed
I don't remember loving my mother (parents) and I don't recall wanting her to love me.

I am wondering if it can happen that a family is so dysfunctional that no one knew about love? I wonder if I ever heard the word, when I was young!

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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2007, 05:34:16 PM »
Unconditional love is something that I believe and especially with regard to God's love for us,
God always loves us, He may not like what we choose to do, but His love remains the same.

And so this thought provoking posting prompted me to do a little digging and reading on the subject of
Unconditional Love and Acceptance with regard to my Nmother and others.

Grateful thanks.

Leah xx


What is Unconditional love and Acceptance?


To love and accept other people unconditionally is:

Placing no conditions on the other as to how to behave or what to be in order to receive acceptance and love from you.

No use   'if...then...clauses'   in establishing conditions for accepting and loving another.

Taking a risk to be open and vulnerable with another with no pre-set limits on the relationship.

"Existence" as sole rationale is to accept and love other people for the fact that they exist rather than for what they are.

Value others for themselves rather than for what they do or have done.

No strings attached to hold people in an esteemed position with acceptance and love because they exist in your world rather than for what they do for you.

Freedom to be your own person

Self-esteem enhancing is to set the stage for others to feel warmth, caring, and concern for themselves which results in their growing in self-esteem and self-worth.



When you are the recipient of unconditional acceptance and love from others, you feel:

Free to be yourself.

You have value and worth.

Wanted and desired for you as you - rather than for what you do.

Listened to and understood.

That you have yourself to offer others which in itself is worthwhile.

Warmth, cared for, and nurtured.

You are OK just the way you are.

That there is no need to wear a mask or to act in any way just to please another.

Free to be yourself and to open up your feelings with no fear of rejection or non-approval.

That it is possible to take the risk to be vulnerable with others in order to have open and honest relationships with them.

No fear of retribution or reprisal from others if you should make a mistake or experience a failure.

That there are no conditions set on your relationships with others.



What are the negative consequences of a lack of unconditional love and acceptance?


When people are NOT given unconditional acceptance and love, then they:


Feel constrained to act in ways which are inconsistent with their beliefs and feelings.

Lack the freedom to be themselves.

Live their lives to please others rather than to please themselves.

Are not given the freedom to experience the natural consequences of their own actions and decisions.

Can become dependent on others to make them feel good about themselves.

Can become very rule bound and perfectionistic in seeking to do what is "right'' or "expected'' of them in order to be accepted or loved.

Are more likely to experience low self-esteem and low self-worth.

Feel misunderstood, not approved of, and defensive.

Have poor relationship skills and experience failed relationships.

Work harder at meeting conditions and expectations set for them by others than working at becoming self-directed, self-sufficient, and self-reliant.

Can become withdrawn and isolate themselves so as not to experience future rejection and non-approval.

Confuse the need to follow rules and obey directions as the only way to be accepted and loved by others.

Believe that they can never fail or make a mistake because they would never be worthy of love or acceptance from others.

Do not learn how to accept and love themselves unconditionally and therefore are very self-critical, self-disapproving and self-punitive.

Tend to set unrealistic, no-achievable, and overly idealistic expectations for themselves which must first be met in order to accept and love themselves.

Become their own worst critics who are never able to unconditionally accept and love themselves.

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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2007, 05:54:39 PM »
Oh my gosh - this is so helpful and so painful to read.  I want to go upstairs and pull the covers over my head but I am learning that I must keep moving rather than hiding.  I think ALL of these apply to me but two just have my name engraved beside them.

When people are NOT given unconditional acceptance and love, then they:

Work harder at meeting conditions and expectations set for them by others than working at becoming self-directed, self-sufficient, and self-reliant.

Confuse the need to follow rules and obey directions as the only way to be accepted and loved by others.

Thanks Leah - this really does help to read in black and white what unconditional love provides and what the absence of it does.  I believe that as I (we) learn to love someone else unconditionally that I (we) will begin to receive some of the gifts we missed as children.  That is how I understand the Prayer of St. Francis and I am going to try it.  - GS


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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2007, 06:13:46 PM »
GS - I am off to find and read The Prayer of St Francis now.  Leah
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2007, 08:00:14 PM »
Wow,
Amazing article, follow up by Leah, and insights from all. I don't think I knew what unconditional love was until I had my own children. I think it was having them that let me see that I had never been loved that way before. I love my children even in their differences and even when they are annoying or tired or misbehaving... I know that I can love the person without loving the behavior...something I was never afforded. I spent my life trying to figure out what kind of behavior would bring me love. I am fortunate to have people in my life who love me now... my Mother In Law, my husband, my kids, a few friends. And I think my Dad has always loved me unconditionally, which I think saved me ultimately from making truly terrible choices (the ones I made were bad enough...).You know, I don't even tell my mother the things that would make her happy with me anymore. Sometimes I go the other way and say things I know will make her displeased. And that is just as bad as I am still wasting time and effort on her.
Thanks for the topic... gives me more to think about and work on...
Love, Beth
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2007, 08:36:04 PM »
Leah:
So glad you liked the article.
So sorry to hear you begged, longed and yearned for your mother’s love.  You must have felt immense pain.  Yes, it’s a harsh reality, but I’m so glad you have accepted the truth and feel free. 

Wish I could accept this truth and feel free.  But, this article was like ice on my spine.  Reading this was like looking in the mirror and having an ugly truth stare back.

The love I (we) grew up with was conditional love, so it really wasn’t “love” at all:  it was control.  So, I feel like I don’t know what “real” love is and that’s the worse thing. 

I hope I will soon feel like you Leah and feel freed by the truth.

As I journey thru recovery, I feel G-d’s unconditional love and acceptance more and more.

Wow, I love your “What is Unconditional love and Acceptance?”  Where is it from?  It’s wonderful.  Gonna print it out and really study it.  Thank you so much ((((((((((((((Leah)))))))))))))) for this wonderful article.  If it was a pool, I’d dive into it.

Leah:  If you find St Francis’ prayer, would you post it?

Thanks, Leah.


Pennyplant:
“One thing the article leaves out is that it should start with me loving me, you loving you, her loving her.”  I agree with this, but, what I inferred from the article is that if we have only expefinced our parent’s conditional love, then we don’t know what “real” love is and therefore, how can we “love” ourselves?  Thus, the love we have for ourselves is conditional love, unless we recived unconditional love for someone else.

For me, I have not experienced unconditional love and up until reading this, I didn’t really understand what unconditional love is.  According to this, unconditional love means “caring about the happiness of another person without any concern for what we'll get in return.” 

Perhaps unconditional love was offered, but I was not able to identify it because I didn’t know what it was since I never experienced it.  There always seemed to be a quid pro quo, an exchange, a price to pay.

Pennyplant I’m happy for you that you’ve learned to love yourself.  That’s probably one of the most important things a human being can do.  I’d like to hear how you have been able to do it.

Glad you liked the article
Thanks, Pennyplant


Moonie:
“This just jumped out to me ..........seems it could be said of any healthy relationship.”  Agreed.  It jumped out at me too.  Yes, this goes for any relationship.  Think I’ll use it as a guide, particularly the idea that if someone’s “love” is contingent on allowing them to control me, then that ain’t love.

Thanks, Moonie


Izzy:
Glad you liked the article.

“I don't remember loving my mother (parents) and I don't recall wanting her to love me.”  Oh (((((((((((((((((((Izzy))))))))))))))).  I’m so sorry that you don’t remember loving your parents or wanting your mom to love you, but based on your story, I understand why you feel this way.  I think life was very scary for you as a child.

“I wonder if I ever heard the word, when I was young!”
(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((IZZY))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

“I am wondering if it can happen that a family is so dysfunctional that no one knew about love?”  Agreed:  that’s what I’m extrapolating from this. Maybe what was considered “love” in a family wasn’t really love, but rather maneuvering and manipulating control in order to gain approval.  Yuch, feel sick.

Thanks, Izzy


Nursie:
“Hey ho, it's all about her.”  Right-O and Right on!

Glad to hear things are getting clearer.

“it's so much better without her.”  Good to hear.  Sounds like you’re embracing your freedom.

“We have to stop expecting what is never going to happen.”  Yes, this is a big lesson for me and I keep learning it over and over.

Thanks, Nursie


GS:
Yes, me too:  Help and pain.  Save some room for me under the covers.  But, you’re right:  no hiding; face to the sun, even if tears stream down our cheeks.

I just realized that the idea of my mom not really loving me (because she imposed conditions on her love) was something my T suggested months ago, but, I brushed it off. DENIAL!!!  But, it’s so hard to accept.

“Confuse the need to follow rules and obey directions as the only way to be accepted and loved by others.”  Me too.  Me too to all of the things listed in Leah’s article.  Feeling a bit sick again.

Yeah, this article and Leah’s article are great, because they are the truth, but the truth reallys SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

REALITY BITES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2007, 08:50:32 PM »
Hi Gaining,

Think we posted at the same time.

Your children are blessed to have a mom who loves them even when they misbehave.  I think THAT is the ultimate definition of unconditional love.  You’re a wonderful person, Gaining.

“I know that I can love the person without loving the behavior”  Yes, this is a priceless lesson.  As you said, many of us here did not have the benefit of this.

It’s so wonderful that you have loving people in your life and that you felt unconditional love from your dad.

“Sometimes I go the other way and say things I know will make her displeased.”  Very naughty, but I understand.

dazed

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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2007, 06:17:57 AM »
what I inferred from the article is that if we have only expefinced our parent’s conditional love, then we don’t know what “real” love is and therefore, how can we “love” ourselves?  Thus, the love we have for ourselves is conditional love, unless we recived unconditional love for someone else.

Yes, you're right about this.  Now I understand.  So, the thing is we have to learn it from some other method.  I have always had that internal judge and jury thing going on.  That is the conditional love I "felt" for myself.  I think I didn't start to learn another way until I came here.  I have never had successful therapy but my understanding of one goal of therapy is that the therapist/patient relationship is supposed to be a loving relationship with a built-in limit so the two can safely disengage and the patient can move on to other healthy loving relationships.  So, ideally, therapy would be another method of learning unconditional love.

There must be other methods.  Well, like Beth said, one can learn this from having children.  I don't think that is a given, it certainly wasn't with our parents!  But we are not doomed to never experience it.  We didn't receive it, but that doesn't mean it can't arrive in the form of the next generation that is given to us.

Having animals can be a way of experiencing and learning about unconditional love.  I know many people who have loving relationships with animals. Again, not a guarantee.  People can hold onto the sickness they grew up in and take it out on innocent animals.  Nothing is guaranteed.

We need to be very open and flexible about the ways to learn about unconditional love.  It's not too late for any of us.  And all love has value.

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2007, 08:16:53 AM »
All night long this thread kept coming back to me.  I am going to take the list of what unconditional love means and imagine my life as if I had received it.  And I am going to practice unconditional love for the people in my family even the Ns.  That doesn't mean I will let them walk all over me, I will keep my boundaries high.  I believe that the more I practice the more I will come to experience it.

Thank you both Dazed and Leah - your friend - Gaining Strength
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2007, 08:41:28 AM »
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All night long this thread kept coming back to me.  I am going to take the list of what unconditional love means and imagine me life if I had received it.  And I am going to practice unconditional love for the people in my family even the Ns.  That doesn't mean I will let them walk all over me, I will keep my boundaries high.  I believe that the more I practice the more I will come to experience it.

Gaining Strength,

With my healthy boundaries now in place, I have been able to practice my unconditional love with my Nfather, who still very much exercises his conditional love, but, I choose to persevere - with my boundaries.   

Whilst, he has become aware of my boundaries - he chooses to remain the same. 

It's all about the choices an individual makes as we exercise our free will.

The love I have given all through my life was unconditional, but without boundaries, this was abused.

My parents only ever gave conditional love.

The only unconditional love that I have ever received is from my child and also from God.

So today, whilst I choose to remain selfless, healthy boundaries must remain in place against the abusive selfishness of others.

Love & a Hug,

Leah




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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2007, 12:49:40 PM »
I know we can learn how to love.
The thing that helps me most is to try to learn it NOT in romantic relationships at first, but in simply exposing myself repeatedly to kind people.
I mean over years.
I am learning to see it in people's eyes.

I used to think an intense eye contact and lots of nodding were the proof. Now I notice a quieter warmth that's even a bit more reserved. I'm starting to see kindness in faces and in interactions, and realize that it's very different from the intense love I used to imagine was the only "real" kind.

I've been helped a lot by repeated, several times a week exposure to kind people, all sorts of them, in my church family.

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