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mary

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« on: August 16, 2003, 10:43:48 PM »

Hello,
I am the spouse of a Narcissistic man.  We have been married a long time.  I have always know that I was living a strange life but never understood what the problem really was.  Now I have two children in therapy trying to get their lives in order.  I feel so bad that I did not understand better.  I feel so bad for all of us.  WE are in therapy together.  My husband does not understand what is going on.  I think soon  the therapist will explain to him that he is N but it is step by step.  This is so sad.   His mother is N and very manipulative.  I always wondered what was wrong with me.  Why couldn't  I get along better with her.  When I was told she is a N I just cried.  Understanding why I have such a weird life is helping me.  It is helping my kids.   The therapist says that my kids can get help and get passed this and have good lives.  I can only hope.  :?

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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2003, 06:24:06 AM »
Quote from: mary

Hello,
I am the spouse of a Narcissistic man.  We have been married a long time.  ....   Understanding why I have such a weird life is helping me.  It is helping my kids.   The therapist says that my kids can get help and get passed this and have good lives.  I can only hope.  :?


Hi Mary.  This is a difficult thing to understand, but it will help you to put the pieces of the jigsaw together, and also to stop blaming yourself for not being able to keep your husband happy in this marriage.

I think the last thing you will need at present is lots of useful advice from someone completely different, so I will not attempt that, only to say that along the way you may have lost touch with who you are in an attempt to keep things calm and 'normal', and if you can find that person again it will help you.  If there is anything you used to do for leisure or recreation before your marriage, and which somehow you have never had time for since, then perhaps you could consider finding time again now, if it is at all possible, to refind the person who has been submerged.  Make yourself the priority for once.

Thinking of you.

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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2003, 09:27:09 AM »
Hi Mary, I know how you must be feeling because I am also in your situation.  You may be blaming yourself for getting into this situation, not seeing it, now the kids are in it ... etc.  No way.  It is not your fault.  Period.  You were faced with developing whatever vulnerabilities that you had/have in order to survive what you had to in your own life.
You have made the most important step that there is.  You are recognizing it and getting help with therapy.  Because of my own experience, I know that this will make all of you stronger and stronger.  

You and the kids (you have not mentioned how old they are), will learn not only skills to deal with the narcissists, but will strengthen your own sense of self.  The whole process is really empowering.  And you will all learn how in the future to spot it (darn quickly, I must say!), and avoid it.  There are many narcissists for sure that will cross their paths in the future. This is an incredibly valuable life lesson for all of you, that frankly many people never get to, and they will repeat the same patterns over and over again.

I found it also very helpful to read, read, and read (Dr. Grossman's list is excellent, and I would also highly recommend all of Alice Miller's work). I wish you much success in your "healing journey". You are already well on your way.   :D

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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2003, 01:15:21 PM »
Yes, I agree with these posts.  Mary, as a child of an N, I'd say it's the truth that matters most - and that's what you are giving your children now.  The truth heals.  And a shared truth (ie between you and the children) is validation.  Sharing the honest regret is good, too.  As long as each of you takes responsibility for your own journey to health from now on (ie no blaming), I think you can't fail.  Good luck.
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thoughts, it is sometimes necessary to take the enemy into account" Sir Winston Churchill

mary

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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2003, 04:38:20 PM »
I want to thank each of you for your supportive posts.  I am so lost in how I feel right now.   I am trying to figure out was is real.  I blame myself and keep trying to figure out what I could have done differently to shield my children from this.  I know I have got to stop doing that and make myself look forward...move forward.  My kids are getting help and they are turning to each other to help understand all this better.  I am sure as time goes on I will do better with this.  I feel so much guilt...I feel shame for having married and stayed in the marriage.  My husband has at times made me feel like he would abandon me then there were times that were really good.  There were times when his behavior was an embarrasesment.  Nothing has ever been predictable.  We have mainly moved from crisis to crisis as long as we have been together.   I have tried to keep life in the home calm and at a  calm level without so much contsant upheavel.  I guess in reality I did not do so well with that.  IT has been draining to do this. It has taken all that is in me just about to do it.  When I found out what is so terribly wrong with our family I wanted to run but then I realized that nothing had changed...now it just has a name and  I can learn more about it and understand it.  Funny thing it has helped me to write this down.  IT has helped me to read your response.  Thanks.

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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2003, 01:46:57 AM »
Dear Mary,

It hurts so much to find the truth sometimes, perhaps all the time.  Your story has come to the right place, because, like you, the people on this board have had to deal with this in one form or another.
I wish you were my sister in law.  This is why.  She married my brother about twelve years ago, a man who, like me was abused incessantly by an N out of control mother who drank and took pills as well as an N abler father.  
I liked my sister in law when she was going out with my brother.  I was fearful though because he had had a series of girlfriends throughout his lifetime all of which I had seen him abuse.  Little did I know then the degree to which he had been infected by the Narcisistic personality.
He was handsome, charming, but especially handsome, girls just went crazy for him.  In fact when he met his present wife he was already going out with a first cousin ( don't worry, we're both adopted so although it sounds incestuous ( which to some degree it is!), it was on the acceptable, biological side of acceptable!); he was two timing, we all knew it except the first cousin!
I witnessed my brother destroy his girlfriends' self esteem and self-concept in general, girl after girl.  He was reproducing the control, the verbal abuse and berating etc. typical of his and my upbringing.  The things my mother and father did to him while he was groing up are too numerous to include here..I'm sure you can imagine.
His present wife had a business of her own, she was quite pleasant, independent, industrious, fun-loving, she had a mind of her own.  Yet, in retrospect, something must have been missing in her to so desperately want my brother.  Since she has been married to him, she has completely changed.  She gave up her carreer, she caters to my brother past the point.  She accepts his demeaning comments.  They have two children , a boy 11 and a girl now 8.  For my brother, everything on the outside must look perfect.  He berated his wife while she was pregnant with comments such as " don't lose your figure, shape or i'll look elsewhere" and many more comments.  How do I know this?  Because he has never had any problem abusing her or any of his girlfriends publicly, why should he?   That's how he was brought up.  In fact my sister in law gave birth by c-section to two premature children, to conserve "her figure".
My brother makes her cut the grass and do a variety of other chores, because HE is at work and doesn't have time.  Their house is immaculate, beyond clean and tidy.  The children are always fashionably dressed and are not allowed to get dirty..EVER!  She runs an illegal daycare at home, ( under the table you know) to support my brother's need of having everything clean and modern and recent.
I could go on Mary, and on and on.  My sis in law is now on Zoloft, " can't get off it!"  and she has gained many many pounds.  She has become his performing machine..it's so sad.
Of course now that I don't get along with my parents, they ( bro and sis in law) have taken their side after much persuasion and the usual N lies.  We simply no longer speak.
Here's a typical N story. You might find it funny in a tragic way.  It's the truth, this really happened:
I was invited to my niece's baptism 8 years ago.  Here I am in my brother's immaculate house.  I'm speaking with the guests blah blah blah.  I decide I must visit the bathroom and thus excuse myself and start up the perfect staircase.  Out of the corner of his eye, my brother sees me.  In front of all the guests, he asks me where I'm going.  Everyone is hushed, not a peep!  I tell him, rather sarcastically that i'm on the way to relieve myself.  He answers the following in front of everyone " Well , just make sure you pee sitting down, I don't want you to splash all over the floor!"  I was floored! :roll:   And don't you know it, his father in law came to my rescue.  right then and there he looked at the guests and me, and his daughter and he said pointing at me:  " It's him you should've married!" and that was that, my brother wasn't even embarrassed, he went on with the day.  After all he was entitled!  And my sis in law, by then well entrenched in her husband's snare went on with things as well.
Does that sound remotely like your husband?  I'm leaving alot out obviously, but is your hubby like that?  If he is,I feel awful for you because of what you went through but happy too, that you have stumbled upon the truth..now with your therapy you can save yourself and your children by stopping it now, before a new N generation begins.
Remember, I saw my brother grow up.  We had the same parents(adoptive), I experienced what he went through. My N mother's number one M/O was divide and conquer, divide and rule so she always pitted us one against the other.  She did not allow us to become close at all..that was much too threatening for her.
A part of me sees my brother as a victim of my N parents, just as much as I am, the other part wants to whoop his @ss everytime he humiliates his wife and or kids.  My parents like to rant about his behaviour but would never accept that I would confront him, of course they've done nothing themselves.  There was a time ( until my parents and I stopped getting along!) when my parents hated his wife. Sound familiar Mary?  Now they hate my wife...if I had not cut them off you can bet your bottom dollar they would alternate ad eternam between hating my wife and his wife.  I'm just beginning now to get off this crazy merrygoround!
And the guilt and the shame..I know about that too.  But you know, there's a big beautiful world out there.  You and I both want a piece of it. Let's go get it ok?  In the name of truth and dignity, yours and mine and your children's.
There is a lot we can do..this board is a lifeline to me..I give and take and it's free!
More later, Kind regards, Nic :)

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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2003, 03:18:21 PM »
Thank you Nico,   I have been humiliated in front of others and made fun of.  He was always the important one.  He could only do certain things because he was working and I would not dare to ever challenge that.  I think one of the most difficult things for me was almost constantly having the feeling that I would be abandoned.  I was not really good enough for him.  Not quite smart enough for him.  Certainly too fat for him.  Sometimes were good.  There had to be some good or it would be impossible to make it.  We have drifted from crisis to crisis ever since I have met him.   Several months after we were married I realized that we were simply going from one crisis to another.  It was a shock to me because before I met him life was not like that.....but i was not smart enough to figure things out.  It is exhausting to move from crisis to crisis supporting him.  Now I understand that having a crisis is just another way to make sure that everyone is focusing on him.   I have been in this sitution for so long  it is so hard to know what is real.  Did he ever love me or was I just a source for the attention he needed?  Is he capable of loving?  I think he is but then I am not sure.  What is real?  I am not sure and it is hard.