Author Topic: Revenge on the NPD  (Read 4761 times)

Tokyojim

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« on: March 22, 2004, 06:06:49 PM »
Hello,

I have a friend of almost 40 years who has a full-blown clinical NPD.  Fortunately, I do not live in the same state.

I realized this about 10 years ago, but even as a teenager, I knew something was wrong.  This was evident if I spent any amount of extended time with him.  Once, as teenagers, we took a trip to Florida for five days.  By the third day, I actually swung at his chin, with full force (but missed), and I am not prone to aggressive behavior at all.

I have kept in contact over all of these years with an occasional phone call or a meal when I was in town, visiting my brother.

However….  About two years ago, just by coincidence, I was going through a divorce, and his mother died.  We connected.  I was at a vunerable stage in my life, and the NP came out, hungry for narcissistic supply (NS).  It was not too bad because I was living in another state.  After months of incessant phone calls, I was very clear, polite and firm. I told him that I was not going to listen to any more grandiose ideas but only wanted to hear what he had actually DONE.  Second, I said that I did not want to hear about how I should run my life.  He tried to persist, but I clearly stated I would immediately hang up if it continued.  It was not a threat, and he knew it.  Since then, almost two months ago, he has not contacted me.  It was clear: The NS was cut off.

Now, I have three things on my mind:
First, I would like to maintain some contact because there were many good times, and he can be a pleasant connection to my past.
Second, I do have some pity.  I am under no delusions that I can help or save him, nor do I want to.  I do not have dependency issues or need to save people.  I knew his mother with whom he lived until she died.  She came from hell.
Third, I am pissed off and am seeking some small revenge.  I know this may sound unreasonable, but I was sucked in and taken advantage of at a moment of weakness.

So, I have a simple plan.
I know him better than anyone on the planet.  I will provide NS of the highest quality but only occasionally.  I will be like the drug dealer who has the purest form of heroin but comes around only once in awhile. :twisted:

I have sympathy for those who are in very intimate situations with people with NPD.  In my small way, I believe that I can understand some of the pain and anguish.  If I can feel this much anger at someone who is in another state, the horror of living with someone like that, especially if he is a father or spouse, must be a living hell.  Good luck to all!

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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2004, 06:47:10 PM »
I salute your honesty but - sorry! - don't abuse the abused for fun - even if they are (also) the abuser!

Plus - I agree with Jacmac - you're playing with fire!!

R
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thoughts, it is sometimes necessary to take the enemy into account" Sir Winston Churchill

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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2004, 06:58:24 PM »
Tokyojim,

I'm a bit puzzled by a few things. Why would you want any relationship with this creep? Why you are so angry with him after you've managed to get rid of him; and why you would be interested in tormenting him?

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2004, 07:07:47 PM »
Thanks for your reply.  I have thought about that myself.  The main reason is that we go back 40 years.  I am thinking that if I keep a careful distance, I may maintain pleasant contact, but I am not sure anymore.

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2004, 01:06:44 AM »
HI Kyojim;

  As a good friend of mine says to me when I go thru all the possibilities of how I might handle my Nqueen-mother, try to hang on to some control or get the upper hand:  " Do you really think you can win with her?  She's crazy!!!"  That kind of stuck with me.  Accept your friend as he is or forget him.  Its not worth the energy you'll expend trying to outwit him.  He'll drive ya NUTS  :!:

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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2004, 06:12:40 AM »
I believe in karma, so if you ill-treat others ( even if they seem to deserve it ) it will come back to you.
Find some place else for your anger, and move on.

Good luck.

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2004, 10:46:12 AM »
I strongly agree on the karma part.  Plus why add to the pain that already exists on this planet?

Also as a behavioral psychologist (your listed occupation), I would think you would see even more poignantly how his N-ness did not begin with him!

I'm in sync with the "heal your own pain and move on" philosophy.
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2004, 05:46:39 PM »
Thank you everyone for your thoughts and suggestions.  You are right.  Nothing good can come from seeking revenge.

As I look back on the 40 years that I have known the N, this is only the second time that I was enraged and considered revenge.  In both situations, I was vunerable.  In the first, I was on my way to Viet Nam and naturally frightened and shaken; his inhumanity was unbelieveable.  In this second, I was going through a divorce.

During the rest of the time, I was able to "accept him as he is."  That was because I was actively interested in my family, studies, work, etc. and my life was enjoyable and pretty full.

I am returning to that point soon and will not contact him again unless it is from a position of "relaxed strength."

Thank you all!

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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2004, 01:49:56 AM »
Just wanted to add my two cents. The business of leaving cold...just completely dropping away, I believe, is another tactic of the Narcissist. It has been the most painful part of the relationship I have had with the N in my life (in addition to my mother).  I think it is the ultimate blow that says to the victim...you were nothing to me.  I think it is also a game they play to suck you back in.  So, I would agree.  Let him go. It's much safer in the long run.  Sally

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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2004, 09:49:49 AM »
Sally,

Thank you for your encouragement.

I have a question.  In your experience, if a person does not respond to the N when he is cut off, will the N ultimately try to re-establish contact?

I am now "screening" my phone calls and will not answer his calls until I am having more fun.  If he complains later, I will make some simple excuse, like my phone wasn't working, I was going to bed early, or whatever.  At this point, I do not care if he believes me.

Thanks!

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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2004, 12:19:28 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous
I have a question.  In your experience, if a person does not respond to the N when he is cut off, will the N ultimately try to re-establish contact?


I would always be prepared for a communique.


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I am now "screening" my phone calls and will not answer his calls until I am having more fun.  If he complains later, I will make some simple excuse, like my phone wasn't working, I was going to bed early, or whatever.  At this point, I do not care if he believes me.


Let's say he gets angry because you don't answer his phone calls. Let him be angry. It's not your job to make sure this guy feels good. He has to learn how to handle situations in life. This is one of them. You don't have to talk to ANYONE and you aren't required to explain your reasons. There is a right to free association in this country. You fought for that right in Vietnam (Thanks for doing that).

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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2004, 04:56:03 PM »
Guest: I can only tell you from my experience with my Narcissist, but he has never in 20+ years, ever made any attempt to make contact.  It didn't matter if we parted in love or in a fight. Didn't matter whether we were married or just living together.  Didn't matter even when I was seeing him in the first two years when he had no way of knowing whether I was alive or dead after the parting. It has always been nothing on his part.  If I would give in and make contact he would be oh sooooo charming, so loving, and so of course there was no way I was going to then ask, why didn't you make contact and try to resolve the problem?

Of course, then on a daily basis, I would wonder would he write, call, make any attempt to reach me? And when he never would I feel worthless and unimportant.  It created a terrible cycle for me. Hope that helps to answer your question.  Hugs. Sally