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SilverLining

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Countering and opposition
« on: April 24, 2007, 01:42:01 PM »
One of the most frustrating and annoying things about dealing with my N-ish father is the constant countering of just about any statement or opinion offered by anybody else.  It's like he has some weird mechanism in his brain which automatically has to state the opposite of anything he hears.  He can flip back and forth between positions in a matter of minutes just to stay in opposition to what he hears.   A typical conversation goes like this:

Me:  It sure is a nice day today.
Him: No it's not going to be nice because there are clouds on the horizon
Me: Yeah I guess you're right it's going to be nasty later
Him: No sense worrying about the future, we need to enjoy the present.

And on it goes.  It's only in recent years I've really come to see the pattern.

Does anybody else experience this kind of thing with their N's? 
 


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Re: Countering and opposition
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2007, 02:08:36 PM »
I an sorry to say that I do this and I learned it from my mom.
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Re: Countering and opposition
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2007, 08:12:55 PM »
Wow TJ,
I never realized it, but this is EXACTLY what my dad does - and he is the non-N portion of the parental unit. My mother just automatically "hates" anything I say I like or relates it to something in her life that is The Same or Better. I can't bear to talk to them, because all I get is negativity. If I say I am having a rough week at work my mother just says for me to quit (like my job is too unimportant) and my dad says suck it up it just gets worse...
The other thing they do is they always side against a victim. My mind does this as soon as I see a news story and I have to think a bit and figure out what I really believe - override those nasty thoughts.
Another good subject.
Thanks!
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Re: Countering and opposition
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2007, 04:36:08 AM »
Fantastic to read this post tjr.  I used to get so frustrated with XN with these type of "conversations".  I found it impossible to have a normal conversation with him.  It was as if I would start the conversation and he would just shut it down with his negativity.  There was no flow, exploration, continuation to our conversations.  It was as if I would say something and he would hit it dead on the head.  Oh how I remember.

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Re: Countering and opposition
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2007, 07:16:10 AM »
Hey TJR, nice to meet you, Ive had this problem with N's, wow this particular trait of theirs drove me to near insanity. Here's an exmple conversation I had with an N:

Me: wow (persons name) is fantastic, they are really clever, beautiful, talented etc etc
N: What! (incredulous that I could say such a thing) No theyre not they suck or they are hideous/dumb/not talented etc etc

I then go on to try and jusitfy my statement but no matter what I said they countered it with negativity, it seems that my enjoyment of praising someone else was not allowed or that the sheer fact someone else was receiving praise and not them was too much to bear (or is it bare I can never remember  :P ) anyway it used to drive me nuts and I would sit there with my mind in knots trying to figure out why they were so negative against my comments, this probably made me unwittingly angle towards praising them so they would be happy thus enabling me to be happy in their presence, pah! I spit on them!!  :D Swchoooph-phoey (thats me spitting on them!  :P )

I also love the trait of an N (love.. pah, I mean loath) the one where they try and make you hate someone they hate. They make all sorts of comments about people and make up wild stories or exaggerate truths (an N's forte) and then go on about it until you start to believe them as the passion they have to hate this person is so strong you begin to think wow perhaps theyre right, and then the N gets their wish, you no longer begin to respect this person rather you begin to believe the web of lies strung out by the N. You then begin to look bitterly towards someone who has done no worng to you or probably even the N and thus the N has projected their hate for others onto you and thus you look twisted and bitter and cannot build friendships and they can still pretend to love and like everybody even though they hate and despise everyone including themselves and you. Tadaa the N's dance of evil is complete! Not, as they always show themselves for what they are and end up all alone, sad and bitter, hah! Stick that up your pipe and eat it you suckers!!  :lol:

Oo oo I got another N trait I just remembered, wow this ones a great trait Ive notivced in an N, I wonder if we could have like an N card system were we could swap N points where each card has a particular value, itd be like got... got... swap... need... hee hee! Sorry I digress, anyway this trait is the work of art that makes up the N's false self and they will work tirelessly to make people belive this story as it builds the fundamental building blocks of their false self, the bedrock on which the tower of shit is built so to speak  :?  :P They may just wind the lie up and let it go and it will not need to be tended to it as it will take on a life of its own via chinese whispers but the lie is still there nonetheless.
Anyway this trait is a lie, an outright lie or a lie with the smallest tenous link to truth. This lie however is perhaps one of the biggest lies you could imagine, a lie like I was a black belt in Karate and competed in the Olympics! No sodding lie either, I knew an N who said this very thing and people beleived it!! I always thought no way, when someone told me, no sodding way, this guy, Karate Olympics??!! What? Pah, really? No, hmmm, perhaps, maybe... and so on until I was sort of convinced but very suspcious still. This guy was a piece of work im telling you, left his wife and three kids for a girl in the office, before this though he paraded his new born baby around the office with wife in tow with both of his mistresses in the office too!! My god (sorry God) but my lord what a piece of workl!! Wow, it still stuns me now , the gall, the outright gall of the man beggers belief. Anyway Ive known a few other N's who also had a BIG lie, one of them I uncovered the lie and they were not happy let me tell you, hee hee, showed em up a bit to be the fraud that they are. Ive also heard of another N, not someone directly linked to me, but to someone I care for and Ive already pinpointed their big lie and Im out to get em!! yey!! Just call me N-Hunter!! This N though is reluctant to talk about their big lie as they are surrounded by some truth speakers and they have already been confronted on one of their N'ish behaviours and have bowed down as they do to people who confront them, they are now cowed but not out and it is now my mission to draw them out of their hole and expose the real them as I owe it to the people close to them as they are dear to me. The N-Hunter cometh!! Dan dah dan dan dan dah dan dah dan dah (thats the star wars baddy music if you didnt guess it already!  :lol: )

Anyway sorry to keep chatting away
Speak to you guys soon
James

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Re: Countering and opposition
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2007, 07:26:10 AM »
Actaully scrub that last, im not sorry to chat away as I have to be happy and proud to speak my mind, my truth (as I learnt in another thread on this site  :D ) so I apologise for boring anyone but I do not aplogise for wrtiing it, hmmm, inner mind inspection completed and verified  :P

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Re: Countering and opposition
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2007, 12:02:08 PM »
Hey TJR, nice to meet you, Ive had this problem with N's, wow this particular trait of theirs drove me to near insanity. Here's an exmple conversation I had with an N:

Me: wow (persons name) is fantastic, they are really clever, beautiful, talented etc etc
N: What! (incredulous that I could say such a thing) No theyre not they suck or they are hideous/dumb/not talented etc etc


Yes that sure sounds like the typical conversation.  And of course if I start out arguing the negative, the N response is to play up the positive angle. The only reliable element is the opposition.  With my father, I think the N-ishness is starting to mix with senility, because some of the opinions and conclusions he comes up with are really bizarre.  It's like the oppositional tendency has become the core of his personality.  Not surprisingly, he doesn't have a single friend.  No one outside the family will put up this stuff for long.   

It's good to find others who have had similar experiences, though sad we have all had to go through this abuse.  It was a revelation to me to figure out it is in fact abuse. 

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Re: Countering and opposition
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2007, 12:42:09 PM »
Boy, TJ, my dad was like that - "oppositional". He had to be right, the authority on every topic or else he wasn't interested. Would not participate unless everyone acknowledged he was right. Conversation was impossible, debate unthinkable. It has been such a relief to my family since he died two years ago.

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Re: Countering and opposition
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2007, 07:15:11 PM »
Well pictured, TJr, James, everybody...

Oppositional. Check.
Lying. Check.

Or sometimes in some Ns one of those dominates...

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