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Doodle

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The Dating Dance with a "Little Voice"
« on: May 18, 2007, 01:31:32 PM »
Hi everyone!  It has been awhile since I've posted here and I hope everyone is enjoying spring!

So, here is my main question:

How does one recovering from having a Little Voice better "trust their gut" when it comes to the dating game?

In the past, trusting my gut proved disasterous.  Trusting my gut meant taking care of everyone else and being convincd that I could "fix" everyone's flaws.  So now, trusting my gut is hard!  I've always been affraid of saying no because I didn't know I could.  But now, I'm learning to say no, but am affraid I will use it in the wrong spots!!!

This is my current situation:

I'm dating someone who is 10 years my senior and has a life that is pretty much set in both career, hobies and home.   We've gone on 4 official dates where definate interest has been expressed both intellectually and physically, but just in the form of words.  At the end of the 4th date, this person sat me down and told me two things:

1) They have a long-term goal of moving to a neighboring state within 1-3 years (not new info)
2) They have gone on two dates with someone else who lives in that neighboring state, but have told that other person that they were stepping back to date someone else (me). BUT, they just wanted to bring this up in case it becomes a factor in the future.   :?:

Ever since that conversation, I've felt both special and hanging by my last thread.  This person keeps bringing up that they are so "up in the air with who they are dating", but by the same token tells me they about how much they like me, are attracted to me and wants to keep dating.  My new, healthier position on relationships is telling me that if this person likes me so much, why don't they just jump in?  What is the point of telling me about someone they MIGHT date?  Playing games?  Just insecure/affraid? 

Should I continue to play the game, or practice my "saying no" skills because my new, healthier gut is telling me something is just weird!!??  And, if I do put a stop to our dating and say no, I have the lingering instinct to NEVER let go of ANYONE no matter how crappy the situation is!

Big topic, I know! I hope that I was clear in what I was asking to you all.  Any insight about ANYTHING would be greatly appreciated.

And, for those who would like to read a little background info about me, I've posted that at the bottom:

But, because I identify as having a "Little Voice", I believe I find dating to be an even more daunting and stressful task than what could be considered usual.  In Richard's essay about Little Voices, this is the part I most identify with:

""In "Voicelessness: Narcissism," I presented one way adults react having experienced this scenario in childhood: they constantly try to re-inflate their leaky "self." However, different temperaments spawn different adjustments: some children, by their very nature, are incapable of aggressively seeking attention. If no one is entering their world, they unconsciously employ a different strategy. They diminish their voice, make as few demands as possible, and bend themselves like a pretzel to fit their parents world.   

To secure their place in the family, these children often become expert in intuiting their parents' feelings and moods and automatically responding in ways they deem helpful.  In effect, they become good parents to their own parents.""

I have been deeply affected like the above and the situation was further compounded by the fact that I am an only child, who's parents divorced when I was 7 after my dad revealed he was having an affair with another woman for over a year. And, fast forwarding, I lived at home until I was 23 and felt the best when my mom validated my every move.  What I didn't see until recently is that she also needed me for validation, as she often told me that I was her only accomplishment in life. 

Five years ago, I entered therapy because I realized I had no idea what I truly wanted for myself and from my relationships, couldn't take risks and found myself becoming codependant on people/partners that were emotionally abusive or just plain not good for me. If friends cancelled, I felt dispondent.  If I felt slighted by a partner, I couldn't understand why they just couldn't see my good nature and correct their transgression. I had the inability to show anger towards my mother.  I could barely say no.

And now we have the present day.  I've worked very hard these past 5 years to "relearn" and heal my inner wounds.  And, I have made great strides when it comes to dating...it has become easier (to communicate, ask for what I need, look for what I want, compromise...ect).  BUT, I am constantly aware of newly-healed scar that keeps playing the old scripts and habits.  It is this scar that shadows my newly-learned behaviors and muddles up my mind with mayhem!!!


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Re: The Dating Dance with a "Little Voice"
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2007, 05:06:32 PM »
Hi Doodle,
Congratulations on thinking so clearly, asking such an important question, and asking it with such good timing: EARLY.

Wow. This really is impressive.

So here's my thought. I believe your Voice IS your "gut" and it's talking to you!! Question is, whether you will listen to yourself, that's your Self...the thing you'd lost track of. You do sound very alive and smart and healthy to me, and I hope you'll make a solid decision that comes from respecting yourself. (Take off the 2 question marks and there you go...sure looks like an answer.)

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practice my "saying no" skills because my new, healthier gut is telling me something is just weird!!??

You're doing great.

Hops
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Re: The Dating Dance with a "Little Voice"
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2007, 05:18:55 PM »
Doodle,

I think, in your heart, you already know the answer to your question. Your boyfriend's behaviour is weird, it's distant, he's 'keeping his options open' at the expense of making you feel special. It's just not right, and you know that. Better to break this off now, than keep experiencing this feeling of 'it's not right' over and over again.

Been there, done that. Not nice.

You deserve better. You sound very grounded to me. Trust yourself a little more, and choose again. The right person will come along, honestly they will.

Janet

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Re: The Dating Dance with a "Little Voice"
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2007, 07:18:22 PM »
Hops recommended a great book last year: the passage of courtship from meeting to marriage.

That says do not get too hung up on outcomes....

I think if you're feeling a bit messed-with already maybe it's time to date someone else. Just getting out and forgetting about him for a while will give more perspective: he's not the only option, dating's not the only option for happiness, etc.

Re 'Little Voice' saw a great movie by this title recently, the mother character is truly awful but played so well....

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Re: The Dating Dance with a "Little Voice"
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2007, 07:27:29 PM »
Hey Doodle, yeh i can totally remember times when I ignored warnings signs from a girl and it lead to a pretty unhappy relationship, if he's playing games dump him as you sound like a great catch so im sure there'll be plenty more suitors around the corner, if this guy is serious about you it will be you and only you, not you and maybe someone else in the future who might ruin things but right now its you, that sucks, its should be you and only you, that's how it should be in a happy caring relationship even at the beginning, if someone cant give you their undivided then poo to them.
James

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Re: The Dating Dance with a "Little Voice"
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2007, 08:38:06 PM »
if someone cant give you their undivided then poo to them.
James

Ha! I like that!

Janet

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Re: The Dating Dance with a "Little Voice"
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2007, 12:04:02 AM »
Doodle ,

Exactly!!! What is the point of telling you of someone they might date?  But there is a point Doodle (and that is why he said it).
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They have gone on two dates with someone else who lives in that neighboring state, but have told that other person that they were stepping back to date someone else (me). BUT, they just wanted to bring this up in case it becomes a factor in the future.
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There are you red flags.

Trust your gut Doodle it sounds correct that something is weird and you are not being afraid or insecure.  You are being smart. 

He sounds more like it's a plan then a point.


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Re: The Dating Dance with a "Little Voice"
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2007, 12:50:29 AM »
hi doodle

The last time a guy said pretty much the same thing to me, I moved in with him (fearing he might "go" for the other one) and found out much too late that he was an alcoholic.

Doodle - you are smarter than this, you know? You've been through it already.  What are you repeating (or trying to) from you past?

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Re: The Dating Dance with a "Little Voice"
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2007, 01:47:34 AM »



Bean,

Hi.  Good to see you!

"up in the air with who they are dating",

It's going to be awfully hard to have a grounded relationship with someone who is 'up in the air'!  He sounds like a player to me!

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Re: The Dating Dance with a "Little Voice"
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2007, 02:08:51 AM »
That book is A Fine Romance by Judith Sills, PhD.

Write, you memorized the subtitle tho!

I think it would help you a lot Doodle. Another one is Men Who Can't Love by Stephen Carter. This guy fits the profile...

These books are like armor. But they'd let in the good ones.

You're not alone. Reading stuff like that reinforces your inner voice and helps you trust your capacity to learn a new sort of attraction...to good character and kindness and transparency. Imagine.

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Re: The Dating Dance with a "Little Voice"
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2007, 07:47:48 AM »
Wouldn't you always wonder if there is "someone else" out there you are not being told about?  Would you be able to trust him?

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Re: The Dating Dance with a "Little Voice"
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2007, 09:44:05 AM »
Oh I wish I would have heeded so many see flags-but you see I was so insecure and desperate that I was willing to NOT trust my gut and I have had bad guy after bad guy after bad guy and when I am willing to drop kick them, my mom will swoop in and take their side over mine, try to fix them, etc.  Run away!
Kelly

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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2007, 10:43:43 PM »
I am pretty new to dating, I've always been married, but it seems like there is this tightrope-walking thing nowadays about 'exclusivity'.
If one thinks the other is exclusively dating them then it can be hurtful....but heaven-help if one brings up the topic early on and scares the other off!

It's all quite a lot of game-playing from what I can see; I'm not even sure I can do it at all.
I'll probably have to wait until someone who is ready to be a grown-up from the get-go comes along  :)

Saying that I am sort-of enjoying this flirtation with the guy at church now we have both calmed down and trust each other. He wrote me a poem last week, about the only way he could have got my attention.
I think it will become a friendship rather than a romance but it is fun.
He's really witty, I just love that.

We were both at the same party last night and I went off to talk to someone, he moved so we could see each other. But he is so easily embarassed if anyone teases him. Then he couldn't help looking over and reaching over and touching my arm...so everyone looked at us. I think a lot of people think we already are a couple.

I'm moving on from that church a bit now, I've noticed before it's hard to do a close friendship or romance in a goldfish bowl scenario!

I don't have too much concern whatever happens, I am having a lot of fun right now just going out and about and meeting people and-

NO PRESSURE!

Doodle I think if someone makes you feel uncomfortable- put more distance. Be sure and set the tone and if it means he walks let him. You deserve the whole piece of pie, not a few crumbs every time you're losing your appetite.

But I had to feel happy and comfortable alone first before I stopped worrying about 'messing up relationships'.

Now I see I have tons of relationships, just not that one special love relationship as yet.


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Re: The Dating Dance with a "Little Voice"
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2007, 01:27:56 PM »
Oh my goodness everyone! Thank you for all of the kind insight and words.  :D
You all gave me comfort in your replies and acted as a spring board to jump off of with what I knew I really thought in my gut.  Since my original post, I have taken a healthier perspective towards this person I've been dating - without feeling the need to explain myself to them.  There are so many other fish in the sea and I DO deserve better. 

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You're not alone. Reading stuff like that reinforces your inner voice and helps you trust your capacity to learn a new sort of attraction...to good character and kindness and transparency. Imagine.

This comment from Hopalong really struck me - especially the word "transparency".  It made me realize that transparency is REALLY important and is an indicator of many other positive traits in a person (communication skills, comfort in their own skin, ect).  So very profound - thanks Hops!

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if someone cant give you their undivided then poo to them.
James

Love it!  This SO goes along with the transparency thing.  If someone can't give undivided attention (within reason, of course), they seem broken and "shady"...NOT transparent.  This is exactly the situation with another person I have been 'seeing', who is a perfect example of divided attention and non-transparency. They have endless online blogs, journals and websites that they post to, but rarely take the time to answer my questions directly.  Makes me feel like some people use communicating online (NOT this group and other support systems like it!!!) and text messaging as crutches to ACTUAL communication that involves looking in one's eyes and using the voice.

Here's to committing ourselves to looking for higher-quality people and maintaining healthy relationships in our lives!!!  It is scary at times, because it is scary to take risks or put yourself out there, but oh is it so worth it!!