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I am a bad daughter.
« on: July 28, 2007, 03:02:23 AM »
Hello
 
     I cannot unwrap myself from the confused feelings I have about my mother. I need some help. Right now I just want to tell you the things my mother has said to me that have hurt me but I cannot tell her that because she would say I am dramatic and a liar. That I am sick and I make things up because I like the sound of my own voice.
 
     My mother has said: I am the only friend you will ever have. I am sorry I ever had you. You are an embarrassment. A dissapointment. I have done all I can do for you.
 

     When I came home from school and cried because children had made fun of me because I was fat she said: If you cared you would do something about it. My mother was embarrassed of me because I was a fat child. She put me on diets. She told me that if I got any bigger she would have to go to Omar the tent maker for my clothes.
 
     My mother never gave me comfort when I was upset or in pain. Either emotional or physical I was exaggerating or I needed to stop my whining and crying. It was my own fault.
 
     She pulled my hair. Slapped my face. If you held up your hands in defense she got more angry and told you to put your arms down. Sometimes you would flinch when you thought she was going to hit you and if she wasn't she got mad that you flinched and would say: you act like I beat you.
 
     I was pathetic. Lazy. Messy. Dirty. Once my mother took me into the bathroom and began to scrub my neck with a wash cloth and soap-angry that I had a dirty neck and could not clean myself, as she felt was properly...she scrubbed and scrubbed while I cried and cried-till she even had to admit it was a discoloration of my skin-it was just a part of me. She did not say sorry.
 
     I was 12 or so when I got my period-I was sitting cross legged under a tree at my grandmothers, when my mother came over to me, angry, and dragged me inside to the bathroom where she pulled my shorts and underware down, pointed to the blood and asked me if I was a pig. Because only pigs were filthy enough to not take care of their hygiene. I have complained of severe cramping and bleeding since I was a preteen and my mother said it was all in my head, that I was a complainer and a hypochondriac. She never took me to a gynecologist went to my first one only when I was in my late 20's and it was because I had a pelvic infection. I am so ashamed of my body it took unbearable pain to make me see a doctor.
 
    When my mother was being nice she would get you to tell her things and then later she would use them against you. Taunt you with them. Laugh at you about what you had shared. My mother never held me when I cried, never brushed or stroked my hair. She kept my hair cut boy short, said that with long hair I had no neck.
 
     My mother says that all this stuff I say happened is my sick imagination. That my childhood is irrelevant. That I am a trouble maker, not to be trusted. I am crazy. I am a bad seed.
 
     I am not a beloved daughter. I am a bad daughter.
     In 36 years there has never been anyone or anything to break the spell my mother has over me...I will never be good enough. I will never be right or whole because there is no proof that my mother ever did anything wrong except what I say happened and you can't trust me because I make things up. A professional cannot give me advice because my mother says they are all quacks and besides she has found professionals that back up all that she says about me. I cannot listen to any person who agrees with me because they are just a nut or spoiled brat that also does not appreciate all that your parents have done for you.
     My mother told me that everything she does is because she loves me. My mother loves me and has always loved me but I am so bad-that I cannot feel that love.

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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2007, 03:38:44 AM »
Dawn, theres nothing wrong with being a child or menstruating or being a larger woman (or girl). Your mother is ridiculous and the only good she ever did was give birth to you and feed you; Everything else she did to you emotionally was criminal. I don't think any child could have pleased your mother. She wanted a child who was a puppet, possibly even a clone, not a child. She was a stupid pathetic excuse of a mother to treat you the way she did. She treated every aspect of you that was beyond her control as though it was a fault. What a totally mean natured control freak.

Ok, well for the sake of diplomacy, maybe we can put it down to extreme ignorance. But you didn't deserve any of it!

You know, theres another forum where i visit and this guy keeps going on about how much he is into larger women. His wife is large, his girlfriends were all large, and sometimes he posts pictures of women he thinks are beautiful (all very large). I've got to say, it rubbed off on me over the years I've posted there. I can see what he means.
Large women have larger feminine features...bigger than usual breasts, accentuated hips, large feminine back-sides. And I guess some men adore these symbols of feminity. I saw this phenomenon in indonesia too, when i lived there, amongst the young men I hung out with. It a foreign concept to a western girl, but considering the world's population and ethnic diversity, I think the love of large wmen is a  more a popular view than we westerners are led to believe.

So don't hate your body:) We live in pretty stupid culture in terms of how thin women are expected to be. But i've been thin, and men dd not treat me better and i did not feel more worthwhile. It was easier to find a boyfriend, but just as hard to find love, if that makes sense.

And hon, this is your one incredible life and you deserve to live it proudly. Your mother was wrong and demented. You are beautiful and worthy.











 





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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2007, 06:54:19 AM »
Dawn,

REading your post was like reading about my own mother.  What your mother did to you was abuse, nothing short of it.  I feel so angry thinking of such an innocent little girl treated like dirt. Nobody has a right to speak to you like that, would you treat a child in the way your mother has treated you.  My guess is no, why, because it is soooooooooooooooooo wrong.  It sounds as if your mother has incredible control over you.  Being here may be the first step in breaking that terrible control, take heart keep posting and therapists are not ALLL QUACKS

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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2007, 07:55:32 AM »
Beautiful (((((((((Dawn)))))))),

Better to talk to a duck than to talk to your mother.
It sounds as though you're still in close proximity to her.

The woman has no right to your happiness. Now you are 36.
Next year this time, you'll be 37. Soon, 40.

How about 36 being the last year that you let her tell you what is real?
How about this being the year that you decide you deserve your own love
and respect and that you won't hand it over to her to "scrub"?

She is confused, sick, and competitive. Even though she puts you down,
in some gut way, I sense that she is jealous of you. Does that feel true?

I'm glad you're here. This is a wonderful place to being healing from the
wounds that her contemptible words have made. I hope you will carve
out time to see a good therapist too, and read all you can about boundaries.

with love and welcome,
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2007, 08:01:38 AM »
You have to break the spell, Dawn.  

Receiving validation and support here is enough to get you on your way.  

N's don't do their terrible worst, out in the open, where they can be seen.

They're wonderful spin doctors and weave other realities for other people about us, as well.

That's why NO CONTACT and filling our lives with uplifting people and things is so important.

We can't win them over, win the struggle, be good enough or convince everyone around us that their reality is skewed (read that as mutilated)  Blech.

Part of their power is that we have to do things that seem unreasonable in order to protect ourselves.  It's very difficult to get support from those around us.  

 They/N's count on society's penchant for wanting to believe the best about people and they play it like a fiddle.  Society wants to make excuses and talk us into being patient and more understanding, calm and compliant.  BLECH BLECH BLECH!

It's up to you to break the spell.  Face realtiy and validate your own feelings, for yourself,  easier said than done I know.  You have to count in your own heart and you;ve been undermined by someone who should have protected  and built you up.  It's very confusing bc it's an irrational thing to do to a child.  There's no explaining it so that it makes sense, it doesn't.  

((Dawn))

I also want to say that you didn't deserve any of that terrible treatment.  You deserved hugs and kindness, trust and affection.  Your mother is broken and can't be fixed.  You, however, aren't broken beyond repair.  You can heal and choose better people and things to bring into your life.  It's not easy and it won't feel 'right' but that's how you start.  Fake it til ya make it and there is relief from the pain, my dear.  I promise. 

Please keep posting and growing with us. 

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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2007, 08:03:40 AM »
Hello
 
     I cannot unwrap myself from the confused feelings I have about my mother. I need some help. Right now I just want to tell you the things my mother has said to me that have hurt me but I cannot tell her that because she would say I am dramatic and a liar. That I am sick and I make things up because I like the sound of my own voice.
 
     My mother has said: I am the only friend you will ever have. I am sorry I ever had you. You are an embarrassment. A dissapointment. I have done all I can do for you.
 

     When I came home from school and cried because children had made fun of me because I was fat she said: If you cared you would do something about it. My mother was embarrassed of me because I was a fat child. She put me on diets. She told me that if I got any bigger she would have to go to Omar the tent maker for my clothes.
 
     My mother never gave me comfort when I was upset or in pain. Either emotional or physical I was exaggerating or I needed to stop my whining and crying. It was my own fault.
 
     She pulled my hair. Slapped my face. If you held up your hands in defense she got more angry and told you to put your arms down. Sometimes you would flinch when you thought she was going to hit you and if she wasn't she got mad that you flinched and would say: you act like I beat you.
 
     I was pathetic. Lazy. Messy. Dirty. Once my mother took me into the bathroom and began to scrub my neck with a wash cloth and soap-angry that I had a dirty neck and could not clean myself, as she felt was properly...she scrubbed and scrubbed while I cried and cried-till she even had to admit it was a discoloration of my skin-it was just a part of me. She did not say sorry.
 
     I was 12 or so when I got my period-I was sitting cross legged under a tree at my grandmothers, when my mother came over to me, angry, and dragged me inside to the bathroom where she pulled my shorts and underware down, pointed to the blood and asked me if I was a pig. Because only pigs were filthy enough to not take care of their hygiene. I have complained of severe cramping and bleeding since I was a preteen and my mother said it was all in my head, that I was a complainer and a hypochondriac. She never took me to a gynecologist went to my first one only when I was in my late 20's and it was because I had a pelvic infection. I am so ashamed of my body it took unbearable pain to make me see a doctor.
 
    When my mother was being nice she would get you to tell her things and then later she would use them against you. Taunt you with them. Laugh at you about what you had shared. My mother never held me when I cried, never brushed or stroked my hair. She kept my hair cut boy short, said that with long hair I had no neck.
 
     My mother says that all this stuff I say happened is my sick imagination. That my childhood is irrelevant. That I am a trouble maker, not to be trusted. I am crazy. I am a bad seed.
 
     I am not a beloved daughter. I am a bad daughter.
     In 36 years there has never been anyone or anything to break the spell my mother has over me...I will never be good enough. I will never be right or whole because there is no proof that my mother ever did anything wrong except what I say happened and you can't trust me because I make things up. A professional cannot give me advice because my mother says they are all quacks and besides she has found professionals that back up all that she says about me. I cannot listen to any person who agrees with me because they are just a nut or spoiled brat that also does not appreciate all that your parents have done for you.
     My mother told me that everything she does is because she loves me. My mother loves me and has always loved me but I am so bad-that I cannot feel that love.


Your Nmother sounds EXACTLY like my Nmother!  And I cannot really give them the title of "mother" because they are both simply "womb-donors".  Real mothers wouldn't treat us both as if we are inanimate property to be beaten on and abused at their whims.  If anyone is a "bad seed", SHE is just like my Nmother is also.  The kind of crap she is attempting to shove down your throat is the same time of crap I've heard abusive men attempt to shove down the throats of their wives and girlfriends.  Her type of thinking can be called "Criminal Thinking Error" in terms of Cognitive Behavioral Theory.   If I may be allowed to share something I learned yesterday at a job-related training...

Here's a list of some of the things that criminal thinkers do and I recognize these behaviors in my own Nmother:

"The Power Grab"

The criminal thinker uses the "Power Grab"

to control other people and events around her/him
to put herself/himself above others by putting them down
think they can do nothing wrong
uses anger to control others
uses manipulation and deceit to gain power over others
uses intimidation to make others feel afraid by using looks, actions and gestures
uses emotional abuse to "put down" others by making them feel bad about themselves, CALLING NAMES, PLAYING MIND GAMES, HUMILIATING OTHERS, AND MAKING OTHERS FEEL GUILTY.

Criminal thinkers act as if other people are property.  With relationships, she/he owns the other person and uses/abuses them as she/he sees fit.  The criminal thinker sees relationships as a "one way street" and their thought processes say:  "I OWN THEM AND THEY WILL DO WHATEVER I WISH TO MAKE ME HAPPY!"  This type of criminal thinker shows little genuine concern for others feelings and needs.  (I can go on as there is a LOT that I recognize in my own Nmother!  Does anyone else recognize what I described above?)

 My Nmother's insanity is most likely the reason I'm in the process of becoming an Addiction Psychologist.  It was the only way I could make ANY kind of sense out of her INSANE behavior.  The type of thinking and behavior that both your Nmother and my Nmother exhibit is INSANE...it is neither rational nor logical...even though they attempt, in their own minds to rationalize their ABUSE.  What they did to us as kids, and continue to do, is still ABUSE!  If I may be crude enough to say this...no matter how much they attempt to dress up their SHIT, it is still SHIT and it STINKS!

Just my two cents worth.

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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2007, 10:25:37 AM »
Welcome, Dawn,

When our mothers define themselves as the only friend we'll ever have, they leave us no place to go but into that downward spiral.

For me, that was the first lie to be exposed and rejected.
Although my mother never made that statement to me in so many words, it was the message I received... that she was the only one I could trust, depend  on, build my self upon.

But it's not true, Dawn.

In doing this, your mother lied to you about this most basic fact of life... because we were not created in our mothers' image - we were created in God's image - "fearfully and wonderfully made".

Of all the truths that I've tried to stuff into my head in attempts to get free of this ancient trap, the one that's made the most difference in my life is to know, in my heart of hearts, that God loves me.

He loves you, too, Dawn. My prayer is that He'll show you how to receive that love and melt away all the other lies which were built on the quicksand of your mother's failures. Her failures, not yours.

With love,
Hope

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2007, 10:33:15 AM »
Dear Friend,
  . I agree with CB. Your mother projected all her shame about being a person and a woman on you. You were the "shame holder". The N mother uses us as a  garbage pail. They do not own "shameful" feelings. They can not say things like 'I am embarrassed" or 'I feel afraid". They project these qualities on you and then  they CRUCIFY you for having them. You are holding and carrying them for her. You were forced to as a child, in order to survive. You were forced to alter your reality and "accept" the picture of yourself as worthless. If you did not go along with her reality and take it inside, you may have gone insane. It was too hard for you to see that she was wrong and "evil".  She is very,very very wrong. She is distorted and a monster.
   It will probably take you a lot of time and pain to see this truth. You will doubt that you are even seeing it properly.
   You have been brainwashed in the same way that cult members are. Cult members can be so brainwashed that they kill themselves b/c the flying saucers are coming to take them away. Our reality gets so eroded that we think that we are the most despicable, disgusting beings that ever lived. .
  Please keep writing .Look at my past posts or  Finding Peace, Bigalspal, Lupita, or Janet. They had mothers similar to yours. You are NOT alone. You can come here and share and people will understand. You can go through the process of healing with us. We are at different stages of facing the truth and taking ourselves back from Hell.You were in a hell b/c of her. It was lies and distortions. None of it was b/c you were flawed. It was ALL her. Please keep sharing with us-- every step of the way. We love you
                                                                                                 Love  Ami
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2007, 12:36:10 PM »
Hi Dawn,

You are a good person who has a bad mother.  (strike the mother part - can't really call her a mother, I use incubator a lot to describe mine).

When you stated that you would flinch when your mother raised her hand - boy did that bring back memories.  Every time my father raised his hand I would duck.  He used to think it was so funny - he would laugh and laugh.  Then he started playing a game, deliberately raising his hand like he was going to hit me, and then comb his hair back - just to see if I would flinch.

Lovely people aren't they? (said sarcastically)

She is wrong. 

You said that there is no proof.  They are very sneaky that way.  The present such a nice face to the rest of the world, but when those doors close, look out.  This is what they do.  I know how they confuse, lie, avoid the truth - they just wear away at you like a slow drip of acid over time, until you begin to doubt your own sanity.

I belive you.

She is wrong, wrong, wrong - on so many levels.

I am so glad that you found this board.  It helped me tremendously to know that I wasn't the only one - that there is a name for it, and that I could find my way through the fog of deceit, lies, and abuse.

I too would recommend therapy.  Are you currently living with your mother?  If you are, the other thing I would recommend is that you move out as soon as you possibly can.

I am so sorry you had a mother like this.

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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2007, 01:45:04 PM »
Hello

   I have read all of the responses I received from my post and I am overwhelmed. I wan't to respond to each of your posts because each held an understanding I have never encountered in my life! It may take me a little while to respond to each but I wanted to write this note to say you are all Angels, Thank you so for the love I could feel coming through...I do feel welcomed. Its like beautiful souls came to me in a dream...dear god, thank you.

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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2007, 02:03:54 PM »
((((((Dawn))))))  Hugs to you  :)   It's so wonderful to be amongst folks who already know what we often can't express.
I hope you'll just take your time and let yourself soak it all in... we'll be here.

God bless you!

Love,
Hope

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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2007, 04:01:14 PM »
Dear Dawn,
Welcome :P,
I am new here as well. I can relate with your pain and shame. My mother used to smack me in the mouth  for "Backtalking" and than got very angry at me that I had the nerve to bleed and yell at me to go wash my face. She used to pull my hair. Any time I tried to speech up I got pushed or smacked down. I remember one time in her angry voice she said "do you have a bra on"  :x which of coarse I did ( I have large boobs and developed early) she got so angry that my nipples were pushing threw. Could you imagine the message that gave me , to be totally ashamed over my body, I had no control over my nipples. To make matters worse my father used to punch me between my shoulder blades to make me stop hunching over, How confusing and abusive was that, my mother made me ashamed I had them and I hunched over to kinda make them look smaller. I to had a weight problem that I struggled with, went on every diet, they did work and then my mother used to sabotage me and by "junk" . I always did think she was competing with me and was a bit jealous. It wasn't until recently that I realized it was her shame all her STUFF that she projected onto me. I was adopted, which I didn't find out until I demanded the truth at 23 years old. She was ashamed and than made me feel ashamed that I was adopted, again I had no control over that, It wasn't my fault. I fought to be heard and respected every step of the way and got beat up for it every time. It wasn't until I reached this message board that I realised that if you don't comply with them or march to there tune, that I will be beat down. So for me the No contact worked for me. I didn't have hardly any with her for months until I was strong enough and balanced enough to see it is her stuff that I have been running around and reacting to and recreating my whole life. I slowly started detaching emotionally from her and have superficial relationship with her. It has been working now for a few months. Although I do get triggered by her stuff, if I am vulnerable (Tired, sick, lonely, hormonal,  etc). Im sooooo sorry for you pain. All I can say is keep posting, these people here are wounderfully supportive. I have learned so much about this "erm" condition ( Hi Hope  :))  and about myself
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2007, 04:19:15 PM »
Dear Dawn,

Welcome - you've come to the right place!

As several people have already said with regard to themselves, I think you are describing MY mother, based on the things yours has said to you! Your mother seems to have a severe problem with her feminity/body image, as mine did. All that 'you're not good enough' stuff wears you down...the sad thing is, IT'S SUPPOSED TO. They do it on purpose, to make themselves feel better about themselves. The fact that it tears you apart goes right over their heads.

You are fine as you are, as long as YOU think so. What she thinks of you is irrelevant.

I have to agree with you when you say you are not a beloved daughter - I think many of us on this forum have wrestled with that one for years. Hoping that things will change is the killer.

I definitely DON'T think you are a bad daughter. You just have a mother who will never, ever appreciate what she had, doesn't deserve, and is in danger of losing forever (if you choose to go NC, which I think you should!).

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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2007, 05:06:43 PM »
Dear Tweety,

Just...big love. I'm so glad you're here with Dawn and the rest of us.

Dear Janet,
Your picture is so cute I can't stand it. Oh I hope I have a grandchild one day!
Just look at that adorable feisty little thing! How could anybody...oh. Right. Ns.

hugs all, and another for ((((((((((Dawn)))))))))

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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2007, 11:06:59 PM »
Dawn,

I am sorry I didn't see your post earlier.  I've not been on the boards as much lately.  I've been busy moving and settling in and enjoying life AWAY from my nmother, so I apologize for the delay in writing. 

First of all, let me say, you are NOT a bad daughter or a bad person or any of those things your mother told you.  You are a wonderful, beautiful person, who I am certain has numerous amazing qualities to brighten the world.  Your mother was not unlike mine who forced me to suppress my real emotions, beliefs and feelings for years.  I went years with no real sense of self, and now that I've found it, I don't intend to give it up. 

Honey, your mother wasn't much of a mother, and those things she said to you were hateful and abusive.  You can change how you feel about yourself.  You can change the direction your life is taking, and you can unenmesh yourself from your nmom.  It takes time.  It takes support and love, but you can do it.

Not all therapists are quacks.  There are some very good ones.  I work with a very lovely one, who is quite down to earth and reasonable.  He's very blunt and just says things like they are.  I like that, and he's helped me a lot.  I don't think I would be where I am without my T telling me it was okay to feel the emotions I'm feeling.  Finding this board was a good thing.  I hope you find lots of good advice here.

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