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Sewing Thread!
« on: August 10, 2007, 02:12:57 PM »
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Okay Janet, what should I be looking for in a sewing machine?

And how do you make a bra, the basic stages? ( sorry Mud )

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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2007, 03:59:17 PM »
Write,

That's a TERRIBLE title for a thread!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

OK, here goes...

It depends a bit on how much you want to spend, but you're in the US, I think? So, the price you'll pay is half what I'd have to pay (don't you just love 'free trade'?), so you can get a good machine (above entry level) for about $300 with some good features.

I've got a Janome DC 3050 machine, which cost me £270 last year (about $500).
I got that one because it's got:
- Needle up/down, which means that each time you take your foot off the pedal, the needle keeps going to EITHER the next 'up' position or the 'down' position, whatever you've set it to. Needle up is good for when you're doing quilting, and want to keep doing short pieces of stitching, and then take the piece off the machine, and needle down is good for if you're going around curves, and need to stop every few stitches to re-position the fabric whilst lifting the presser foot a bit. This is quite a basic 'feature', but a great one to have. It'll save you loads of annoying 'tweaking' of the wheel on the right hand end of the machine, instead.
- DC motor. I think this one is crucial. I'd never had this before on a machine. It means that you can set the speed to be REALLY SLOW if you're doing something precise. Otherwise, on cheap machines, the pedal isn't responsive enough and you just have to put your foot to the floor and GO VERY FAST or 'stop'. Not good.
- One step buttonhole. You get a good buttonhole foot to fix on the presser foot mounting, where you place the button at the back of the foot and the machine then 'knows' how big to make the buttonhole. You don't have to keep adjusting different widths of zigzag to do each of the four sides of the buttonhole, and each one comes out identical until you put a different size of button in the groove at the back.
- On my machine, there are 50 different stitches, including decorative embroidery ones, overlocking stitches (for neatening edges of seams) and stretch ones for knit fabrics. The stretch stitches are great - couldn't manage without these, now, as I sew a lot of stretchy fabrics (later, you might want to get a serger...when you get really hooked :twisted:) Too many stitches isn't that helpful, though. It's like with a washing machine - they have loads of programmes, but you end up using only two.
- The various feet that come with the machine are good quality. It's worth trying out a machine in a shop if possible, and looking at the extra feet that come with the machine. Feel all over them, and the throat plate, to see if there are any burrs on the metal. Janome and Bernina machines are well known for having very good quality feet. Bernina machines are expensive, but last for ever. Goodextra feet to have are zipper foot, overedge foot and gathering foot. Most machine manufacturers have lots of extra feet you can buy later, so it's not necesary to get them all bundled in with the original machine.
- Stitch lock. My machine has a button that you can press at any time you're stitching, and it immediately stitches 5 stitches in the same place, locking the thread ends. It saves pulling one thread through to the reverse of the sewing, and tying off those pesky thread ends in a silly knot.
- A presser foot needs to lift quite high to get thick fabrics under the foot, and my machine has a 'double height' lift, so that you can press the lever twice to get it really high, for thick fabrics like fleece.
- A good foot pedal. Most machines have a stupidly lightweight plastic foot pedal, which is so light that it skims across the floor whenever the flex is touched by mistake. A heavy metal foot pedal is good if you can get one, as it stays put.

If you go to www.patternreview.com , you can do a search of their sewing machine reviews, by putting in the features that you DEFINITELY want in a machine, and it shows you those first.
In the US, there's a lot of advertising of the all-singing-all-dancing embroidery machines, that cost about $3000 plus. WASTE OF MONEY!! They do 'industrial style' patterns, from computerised components, for things like baseball caps and T-shirts and are boring as hell, IMO. Not creative at all.

As to bras...  (Mud, go away, put your fingers in your ears and go 'La-la-la')

A really good site for all things to do with making your own bras is www.sewsassy.com They have patterns from Elan, Kwik Sew, etc. Once you know what will fit, it takes about two hours to make a bra, BUT 'making it fit' is the fun part! The only way, really, is to do it. You cut out the pattern pieces to the size of bra cups that you'd normally buy (just the cups at this stage), 'try them' against you, have a good laugh, and cut a bigger size. I made four before I'd even show my husband how they were turning out, they were so crap! Now I've got the hang of them, they are better than shop ones (they fit, for one thing). You can buy underwires, rings and sliders, channelling for the wires...everything that a commercial bra has, you can buy to make your own. And they work out very cheap, too. I used to pay about £20 per bra, ready-made, but I can make one for about £4.50 now.

Basic stages of making a bra are :
sew the cup pieces together, to make two whole cups
sew the centre panel to the cups
sew the elasticated side pieces to the sides of the cups
sew on channelling along the bottom edges of the cups for underwires (if you want them)
sew on picot edge elastic along the side edges, top and bottom
attach the straps
attach the hook and eye thingy at the back (or front, if you want one like that)
Put it on, and feel very smug that you've got a unique bra that fits, that no-one else has got! :D

Have I tempted you enough yet??

When ya going shopping? Can I come?

Janet

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Re: Sewing Thread!
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2007, 05:52:41 PM »
okay, I will research Janet. You started this, just remember that when I'm up to my knees in failed bra-cups ( sorry Mud )

Thanks so much for the advice.

And no WM machines, or ones with fancy embroidery. if I want embroidery i'll jolly-well do it myself!

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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2007, 06:01:04 PM »
No, don't put them on your knees...they're for your b**bs!!

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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2007, 08:11:38 PM »
Do you know if anyone has designed a bra for me?

Muscularish back with a bump from the Harrington Rods, so require a front closure, as back closures cause metal on metal pain!

Support for a front with both about a grapefruit in size each.

Whole back preferably lower so it doesn't end up around my neck, ay day's end.

Must have space for lower rib cage as I still have all my ribs.

Izzy

AHa--Never went on Internet before to ask---lookkee prettee No 1

but No 2 had front closing yabba-dabba-dooooooooooooooooo




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Re: Sewing Thread!
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2007, 11:14:02 PM »
No worries, Mud and James and Steve are not reading this thread...
they're chopping wood for the winter.

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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2007, 01:15:58 AM »
The top one is pretty Izzy. Can we do that Janet, with all the lace and stuff????

I am having little ideas about clothes I'd like to try, means I can buy fabrics too when I see them on offer; they have great sales here, $1 a metre etc.

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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2007, 05:09:20 AM »
Write,

The first pic of the bra is an easy design to do. Wide stretch lace is easy to get, and that's an easy pattern.

The good thing about making your own bras is that you can 'cater' for 'unevenness', mastectomies...anything,, really. I'll look up some more websites & books that give info on that.

You can get fabric for $1 a metre?? That's not fair!!


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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2007, 06:23:22 AM »
"That'll do, pig, that'll do."

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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2007, 09:06:35 AM »
Right, Write -

Here's some links and books/videos to get you started:

englishcouture.co.uk stock bramaking stuff and books/videos inluding these two good ones:
Making Beautiful Bras by Lee Ann Burgess (an Australian)  about £20, this book covers how to copy a bra that you already have, as well as making bras after mastectomies, etc., and
Bra Makers Manual by Beverly Johnson (a Canadian) - good book ,but £48!!!

laceheaven.com sells stretch lace, bra supplies and loads of trims
sewingchest.co.uk sells bra findings
faysfabrics.com is brilliant for lace, stretch lace and fine fabric for bras like stretch satin
sewsassy.com   as above
bramakerssupply.com the website of Beverly Johnson, noted above

http://andsewitis.net/braclass/class_start.html
This link goes to an Australian site where there's an online masterclass (should that be mistressclass?) for making bras. It has a brilliant links page too.


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Re: Sewing Thread!
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2007, 12:55:55 PM »
How many hours do you think it would take a total beginner to make the Izzybra #1, for example, Janet?

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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2007, 02:15:17 PM »
okay Janet, I'll check out Amazon later!

Thank you, really looking forward to this.

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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2007, 02:34:11 PM »
Hops,

If you were to just 'make one' without trying to get it to fit an actual woman, about an hour. It's the fitting that takes the time, so for the first one, I'd allow about five or six hours, in two chunks (or you'll get so sick of it not working, you'll throw it out the window!). It's frustrating to get them to fit, but once they fit...bliss!! And the second one's then MUCH easier to make, and then you go into production...

Janet

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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2007, 07:06:51 PM »
This thread reminds me of some great times and people! I had a friend who was a manager of an outlet store for an upscale undergarment manufacturer ( they also made other things as well). They had bins and bins of chi-chi gowns, undies, slips, and bras at give-away prices. They also had incredible fabrics- high quality, wide widths, some with no selvages, just a "tube", knits and their corresponding fabric for cuffs and necklines, etc., ready to apply, and truly decadent laces,giant spools of thread, elastic,  appliques, etc. , as well as findings like bra straps, etc. I had gorgeous clothes and undies as a result, and made some outrageous nightgowns, robes, etc. I wish that I had learned to make bras!

What I would do is purchase some of these bras at the outlet (they really were lovely), and go to a little bra  shop in my neighborhood. The owner and proprietor was a redhaired, plump, bawdy, theatrical lady with a saucy Australian accent. Just as was mentioned in this thread, she would evaluate a customer, and point out that the cup sizes are almost always too small, and the straps too large, etc. She would mark the bras with chalk, and she or one of her workers would tailor the bra right then for a couple of dollars (she also sold bras). When you would put it on again, it was like magic- even your posture was better, and you looked GREAT!

She advertised a custom bra-apparatus that she would make herself, that supposedly would keep one's bust youthful forever (you had to wear it continuously for a period of time, then again at intervals afterward). I couldn't afford one- I wish I had gotten one made!This lady was so fun- constantly chattering over the clack clack clack of the machines, intermittently erupting in laughter that growled up from her nether regions, up through the chakras, to erupt in a rapid cackle punctuated by high pitched squeals. She always seemed to have a fiance or husband in tow, and ruled over her store like a diva. She also made bathing suits (really flattering, not like the ones in department  stores) and I learned to make them too at home.  And she designed and made really nice costumes. I only wish I had tried my hand at bras!!! She would have been a fabulous critic! My lingerie drawer is comparatively prosaic now... oh well.

Thank you for sparking my memory you clever bra-makers,

Changing


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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2007, 10:05:45 PM »
Changing  :D

When you finish law school I'm afraid you're going to have to write a novel.

Wonderful character study! Thank you!

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