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JanetLG

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Re: Screaming inside..
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2007, 05:23:16 AM »
Spy,

Aaahh, that's really sweet.
That's just how I feel ablout this forum, too.


I'm glad we can help you when you ask for help.

Janet

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Re: Screaming inside..
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2007, 06:03:06 AM »
To all

I also grew up with a mother who spent her time telling me "I was an ugly bitch with big ears and sore eyes" the latter being from crying all the time.  I also could not look in the mirror.  I had no idea how to take care of myself.  I knew nothing about clothes, makeup, appreciating myself.  I looked at women I worked with who looked well made up and I decided they were shallow and empty and had no substance......... not true may I add.  I decided this about women who took care of herself.  She had to be soooooooooo selfish to waste money on such superficial things.  Whereas, me, well I was more real and deep in my oversized jumpers, my oversized jeans and hiking boots.  I wore the most boring clothes at work because I could not be bothered with anything else.  I did not take care of myself.  I barely showered, what did it matter I was so ugly it did not make a difference.  I was thin until my  thirties but hid my nice figure with mens clothes.  I ate and ate and then hid behind my weight.

In the past years, through intensive therapy, I have begun to love the female side of me and that has changed things.   I look back on photos and I was so dammed pretty I cannot believe I never knew this.  I really believed that I was so ugly, not just plain but offensively ugly.  It really is amazing.  Now when I do see myself for me I see someone who was very pretty once and still has some pretty features.  Everything has sagged, plus years of smoking have taken their toll.  I have bags under my eyes from years of crying but I still look ok.

I struggle with looking and loving still.  Sometimes I am shocked when I go to the trouble of making myself up, I can look really good.  Part of that is taking care of myself and to be truthful I still struggle with that.  I find it a chore to put on moisturiser at night, never use cleansers, soap and water for me.....  I am grateful that at last I am seeing what is really in the mirror but sad for all those years that I thought it was a monster looking out at me.

Here is a big WHAMMER for me!!!!!!!!!! Was looking at tv about cosmetic surgery the other day.  Something I alway thought was shallow and vain and really pondered the question, if I had the money to get rid of those eye bags and saggy chin would I.   Well, let me tell ya'll that if I had the money I would consider it.  Now many may be shaking heads and thoughts of "all the beauty is within" but for me to even have this thought is amazing.  Something about restoration work!!!! In any event I could not afford it but I want to look lovely now and that is the big breakthrough for me.  Also, it is me in touch with my "shallow" side and this really makes me laugh out loud.  I was so bloody serious that I am embacing this frivilous side of me that I always ignored.  I know I carried a lot of shame about being female.  The thought, as a young woman, of slapping lipstick on my mouth would make me want to curl up and die. 

Thank you all for the opportunity to speak about this especially my fantasy about cosmetic surgery!!!!!!!!!!!!  I know a lot of my shame was also tied up with bloody Catholic guilt.

axa

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Re: Screaming inside..
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2007, 06:09:26 AM »
Axa,

I'm sorry that your mother told you such horrible, false things until you believed them. You were NOT ugly. (Was she, though? Or did she think she was? Do you look anything like her?) I bet you're gorgeous! I know what it's like to look at photos of when you were younger and only realise *now* that you were pretty - and then feel so sad.

I've done that.

But 'women of a certain age' can look great, without spending hours in the bathroom every morning! It sounds like you are  much more in touch with your female stuff now, and that's good. I'm happy for you.

Janet

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Re: Screaming inside..
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2007, 07:20:57 AM »
Some of our past can leave tragic memories and imprints. For fun, and not to minimize anyone's pain, I'd like to post this speech written by Kurt Vonnegut. Reading it left me feeling a bit lighter. Maybe some thoughts are universal? I hope you enjoy it.


Great philosophy of life---
Kurt Vonnegut's MIT Graduation Speech:

Ladies and gentlemen:
Wear sunscreen.
If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen would be it.
The long-term benefits of sunscreen have been proved by scientists,
whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable than my own
meandering experience. I will dispense this advice now.

Enjoy the power and beauty of your youth. Oh, never mind. You
will not understand the power and beauty of your youth until they've
faded. But trust me, in 20 years, you'll look back at photos of
yourself and recall in a way you can't grasp now how much possibility
lay before you and how fabulous you really looked.You are not as fat
as you imagine.

Don't worry about the future. Or worry, but know that worrying is
as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble
gum. The real troubles in your life are apt to be things that never
crossed your worried mind, the kind that blindside you at 4:00 p.m.
on some idle Tuesday.
Do one thing every day that scares you.

Sing.

Don't be reckless with other people's hearts. Don't put up with
people who are reckless with yours.

Floss.

Don't waste your time on jealousy. Sometimes you're ahead,
sometimes you're behind. The race is long and, in the end, it's only
with yourself.

Remember compliments you receive. Forget the insults. If you
succeed in doing this, tell me how.

Keep your old love letters. Throw away your old bank statements.

Stretch.

Don't feel guilty if you don't know what you want to do with your life.
The most interesting people I know didn't know at 22 what they
wanted to do with their lives. Some of the most interesting
40-year-olds I know still don't.

Get plenty of calcium. Be kind to your knees. You'll miss them
when they're gone.

Maybe you'll marry, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll have children,
maybe you won't. Maybe you'll divorce at 40, maybe you'll dance the
funky chicken on your 75th wedding anniversary.

Whatever you do, don't congratulate yourself too much, or berate
yourself either. Your choices are half chance. So are everybody
else's.

Enjoy your body. Use it every way you can. Don't be afraid of it
or of what other people think of it. It's the greatest instrument
you'll ever own.

Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room.

Read the directions, even if you don't follow them.

Do not read beauty magazines. They will only make you feel ugly.

Get to know your parents. You never know when they'll be gone for
good.

Be nice to your siblings. They're your best link to your past and
the people most likely to stick with you in the future.

Understand that friends come and go, but with a precious few you
should hold on to.

Work hard to bridge the gaps in geography and lifestyle, because
the older you get, the more you need the people who knew you when you
were young.

Live in New York City once, but leave before it makes you hard.
Live in Northern California once, but leave before it makes you soft.

Travel.

Accept certain inalienable truths: Prices will rise. Politicians will philander.

You, too, will get old. And when you do, you'll fantasize that
when you were young, prices were reasonable, politicians were noble,
and children respected their elders.

Respect your elders.

Don't expect anyone else to support you. Maybe you have a trust fund.
Maybe you'll have a wealthy spouse. But you never know when either
one might run out.

Don't mess too much with your hair or by the time you're 40 it will look 85.

Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who
supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of
fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the
ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.

...But trust me on the sunscreen.

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Re: Screaming inside..
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2007, 08:25:42 AM »
courage and peace, all the way, CB...

Thinking of you.
Woke up thinking of you.

Will send strength all day today.

lots of love,
Hops
"That'll do, pig, that'll do."

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Re: Screaming inside..
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2007, 04:27:02 PM »
((((((((((((((((((CB)))))))))))))))))))))))) I hope it all went well for you xxxxxxxxxxxxx

((((((((((((((((Axa)))))))))))))))))))))))) I am so with you on the baggy jumper scene...

It has taken me a few days to come back to this post because it is such a hard topic.  nevertheless I am going to keep it going because it is one of my biggest problems and it needs to come out.  Axa, I know what you mean about the looking back..  I always felt I was an ugly child.. I looked back at some photos once and I looked like a little blonde fairy.. When I was about seven my mum had all my hair cut off to about an inch all over..  If I didn't have short hair I had it long and then she would make me sleep in rollers...  I was a little girl for Gods sake..  I can remember the discomfort of having to wear rollers or clips.. just so she could parade me down the street..

I think I muust have rebelled because I stopped brushing my hair and I never took any pride in my appearance..  i would go as far as to say I was dirty...  My mum was always working and so I had to fend for myself.. I would wear the same socks for a week.. and never washed my hair...  My hair has always been a way of expressing myself..  I am totally paranoid about it.  It ha to b e right and of course it never is..  I know I am going off on one here but I am just trying to get out what is in my head..

There are some things about the way I look that I just can't bring myself to say..  They are the things that make me scream inside.  I understand totally Axa about your plastic surgery fantasy..  I have thought about it more than once but I'm sure I'd just find something else, and if I didn't my mother would..  Of course she would love me to have surgery.. she has even suggested to pay for me to have a bood job so upset is she that I have a flat chest!!!!!

Just as a sideline here...  I know a guy..  He is an alcoholic..  He says one of his problems and underlying reasons for his drinking is the fact that he had man breasts...  So eventually during his last dry spell, he worked hard and saved up enough to have them taken away...  The surgery was really successful..  the man breasts were gone..  he is still drinking!!!!!!!

Spyralle xxx

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Re: Screaming inside..
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2007, 06:15:02 PM »
Dear Spy,
  I am so glad that you are still sharing. It is really, really hard,but it is worth it. Keep facing the truth .People will share and support you.
 I am so sorry that you suffered so, so badly. I can hear the beautiful person under all the pain
(((((((((((((((((Spy)))))))))))))))))))))                                     Love    Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: Screaming inside..
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2007, 03:07:02 AM »
Spy,

I just had a flash of memory, being humiliated at school by teachers because my clothes were dirty or dishevelled.  I was always so untidy and I get the hair bit also, did not even bother to brush it and it was always long with a mass of tangles.  I was so neglected.  I had a sister, just older than me, she was very pretty, everyone said so, and I remember watching her standing in front of the mirror brushing her hair, like I was an observer of something I could not understand.  I feel so sad for that little girl now.

I would like to keep this thread going also because I think that I still have mourning to do.

BJ

Thank you, made me smile and yes I agree with everything in the speech but sometimes those old sad memories come up.

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Re: Screaming inside..
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2007, 09:41:44 AM »
I really think Us Human Beings need to take back the word beautiful from the magazines and other media that seem to have developed the idea that they OWN the word. You can't own a word.

BeautyTM

"Beauty" used to be something that often reflected or was part of the natural world.
Not machine-stamped cookie-cutter ideas frantically reproduced in several milion bathrooms every morning.

Bah.

Hops
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Re: Screaming inside..
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2007, 10:19:09 AM »
I really like that Hops-i.e. Lone Ranger.
  I was thinking back to one of the kid's teachers who was beautiful . She was radiant. I saw a picture of her and she was just "regular"looking. However,in person she had such an internal sparkle and radiance that she was totally beautiful
  I think that we forget about internal beauty that comes from a peaceful ,loving and giving Spirit.                                Love  Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung