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Re: Chilly Cerebral N
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2007, 07:59:58 AM »
Dear Iphi,
   If you want to come out of "denial" with a bang ,not a whimper-- read Malignant Self love by Vaknin
    I am so happy that you shared about your F. It is a "shock" to see the truth. Your family wants to keep the denial. I guess we all want to keep the denial, in a way. However, at some point ,it smothers us and we are going to die, if we keep it. Then, we must let it go.
  I think that you made a big step in starting this thread. Thanks for being there with that very insightful voice                                  Love      Ami
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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2007, 10:09:14 AM »
Dear Iphi,

There's a small thing bothering me and I wondered what you'd think of it.
Since you grew up with the icy detachment and intellectual maneuverings of cerebral N, I supposed that you might relate to the "shut down" which comes into play when it comes to asking questions... just simple things, like asking someone about their job, or  plans (o my, never ask N about plans).
For instance, I could never ask for reasons... for any enlightenment re: the thought processes behind what I saw going on in front of me. I don't remember the words ever being said, but the theme - what got planted firmly in my mind - was always: "you couldn't possibly understand".

And just now, I'm seeing yet another aspect of this...
does N drop these little hints... such as, letting it be known in a conversation about something going on in your life, that he/she has an appointment, for instance... and there's this air of mystery (intrigue?)... and you just know that you're supposed to inquire further... but there's a dread attached to it, because if you ask, here will come a lengthy monologue - which never really answers the original question. Does this ring a bell with you, Iphi? These little hints always feel like hooks to me.
 
Okay, so here's the little current situation...
A close relative has written to me twice now, mentioning that she has started a new employment. The last email, she said that she'd gone in to work a bit "early again, with the purpose of email in mind". (I guess that means - to write to me - and possibly others.) Then she basically says very little else, and closes with, "Well, just this note for today. Going to get started on the coffee..."
Umm... does it seem odd to you that she doesn't just tell me (twice!) what her new job is? It does seem strange to me! Am I supposed to ask because otherwise she'll assume I'm not interested? I feel baited... and toyed with.

Ever since you posted your summary here, Iphi, I've been thinking of so many small things... thank you, again!! But if I wrote them all down, your thread would be 8 pages, at least... :shock:  This one was current (just got 2nd email), so just thought I'd put it out there.
Strange how these little things can be so sticky in the mind...

Love,
Hope

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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2007, 02:49:00 PM »
Please have patience - I am going to try to catch up with this topic and it may take a while and a few posts.  First, I'm so glad I posted those items and I plan on posting some more.  It feels like I put them down when I put them out here.  For many years I covered my father and covered for my father, like the biblical story of drunken Moses.  Since I made the first post, I've been thinking about some of the good things he was able to do, and wondering about those.  In the future I'm going to try to post those things too.  But first things first. 

Oh I made an editing mistake in the first post.  I meant to say that he came to my college graduation (15 years ago) and my wedding (5 years).  He has never been to visit me any other time.  At this point I'm glad ("I'm not complaining") but it still just is evidence.  Who is this guy who never visits.  By the way, if I said to him 'you should come visit me' then I know he would be outraged - take umbrage.  This spring I had a baby and he went to his family reunion.  I have been so tempted to tax him with that, just to give him a hard time and make him feel 'wrong.'  But I'm trying to be better than that.   :lol:

Certain Hope - thank you for your point by point posts to the list.  I'm sorry it was only too familiar to you.  I agree with what you said "What really strikes me is that, taken individually, each of these things might be fairly insignificant...."  Yes!  I think that is often why it is hard to know how far down the slippery slope you have gone, or how hot the water has become.  But if each example listed actually just stands for countless other times it has happened - well, what then.
It wasn't only once or twice that he told me I didn't have diligence or work ethic and was too emotional or 'dramatic.'  It was every week, every year.   That kind of thing.  Also, when after more than 2 decades it has never been your turn then hmmm.

It's funny to think that the dad who I have spent countless hours listening to lecture on all sorts of topics under the sun - might be incapable of actual instruction, actual teaching.  But I think you have a point there too, CH.  He didn't know how to actually teach long division.  This never occurred to me before.  I thought he was just bored by my stupidity!

As an aside - it makes me realize something about a distortion of mine.  I think if I am not brilliant at once, then it will never happen.  Time and again I've stopped myself from trying because I don't think I will be good at something, even if I want to do it.  It has not been okay for me to suck unless I don't care at all.  So I end up doing things I don't care about, because then it won't twist me up with anxiety that I am not good at whatever it is.  I do a job that I found boring right away, but it is soothing to me because there is little anxiety.  It's my dad that I am putting in the judge's seat here.  Sigh.  I often look at other people doing big endeavors and all I can say is - I can't do that.  I don't have it.  I don't know how.  But I wish I did.

I really appreciate about 'sitting at the feet of the great guru.'  You understand that I don't even understand that that is wrong.  I mean I do, but it hit me like a bolt of lightning how extreme it has been, and it has been extreme - day after day, all the time, ALL THE TIME. That's how conditioned I am. 

One of the big things this week has been realizing that I don't know myself.  I've been unable to see myself except through him - especially since I have become an adult I've been trying to prove (to him, to me) that I am not how he sees me.  Or just trying to avoid thinking about it.  But now I know he has never seen me and everything he says about me just has no authority.  And he is so irresponsible that he will tell me who I am and he doesn't even know me.  So who am I?  Clearly listening patiently to him all these years means I am a person who has cultivated a lot of patience and active listening skills.  So, there's something I know.

Ami - thank you for you thoughts which are always so straight to the target for me.  A few years ago my dad told me how he was riding in the disabled people shuttle service and they arrived at another rider's house.  The old man lived in an old house up a long, long flight of steps.  The shuttle driver carried the disabled man's chair up all the steps and set it up.  Then he came back and carried the man all the way up.  And he just did it, no fuss, nothing special, just a job.  My dad said the shuttle driver was very gentle and patient.  I was blown away that my dad told me this story because -honest to god- it is the first time in my whole life that I have ever heard of my dad appreciating something about another person.  Ever.  I can't express to you how much has been done for him by how many that he seems to have not noticed and finally he noticed somebody doing something.  I still can't believe he noticed that - as far as I am concerned that is the closest to a moment of grace that he has ever had, that I know about.  So no, I don't believe he has any empathy yet, but maybe it is a glimmer.  Maybe next life, you know? 

NMMG - I remember you shared the wacked out, threatened stuff your dad said when your sister was in the hospital and I have to say - I believe your dad is worse than mine, but they are in the same zip code.  My dad looks at me as part of his wise teacher persona - as part of his role.  Or in public he will look at me like a benevolent ruler hearing the humble request of his subject.  And then he also looks at me when he is raging, or when he is brewing up a rage - like a very unpleasant expression like I disgust and repel him and you know where that is headed.  But you know, I'm very trained.  I don't try to tell long stories and generally do this whole active listening/intelligent question (shows I'm paying attention) thing.  But you know, he is in his best mood at those times so usually I am happy to keep him happy.  As a teen I sometimes was like 'shut up god yak yak yak!'  but I felt that I was at fault and it was my personal problem that I was not more patient, so I worked on myself.    I have always agreed with my dad's self-pity (enabler stuff) that he has had a hard time and have worked hard on stuff to make him happy/ me being unselfish.  Yeah it's a laugh.

S+S - thank you too for going point by point - those specific remarks really help me and it makes me recognize I have certain 'ways' I see these things.  It's so refreshing to hear other ways!  And YES he uses intelligence as a continual superiority thing.  He is ALWAYS the TEACHER.  It is like playing 'School' in hell.

I agree - we are tools of their self-gratification.  I think at my graduation he was impatient because he was not being gratified.  I do think he gave me a card and we did go to lunch with my extended family after - but then it was like 'hurry up, you selfish thing.'  But of course it was not just on that occasion that he is hurrying me up, just the mentioned one.  He needs to be gratified practically all the time.  No one could gratify him as much as he needs to be gratified.

This is long.  Is there a word limit?  I will continue in another post.





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Re: Chilly Cerebral N
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2007, 03:53:10 PM »

S+S - yes growing up feeling very stupid in the house of the star.  Yes.  I hope you will talk more about that with me.  This is a major area of passivity and despair for me.  I like to do learning oriented, intellectual things but it's all really crushed.  I have not recovered.

Thank you for your words on people with disabilties still being people and only some being mature souls.  Probably you can understand that the disability itself makes it very hard to take up an issue with someone, especially because he uses his disability as an excuse.  He uses it in many ways and it has seemed to me that his real disability is not his physical one.  I mean it was clear something was wrong before I knew about NPD, but I didn't know what or why.  The main thing I didn't understand is that he is going to stay that way, doing the maddening things he does. 

Thanks for giving me the props on being caring.  I'm not so sure myself if I am, or *why* I am, but it's nice to hear!

Ami - I wonder how can we go after the passivity/paralyzation issue?  I don't even know how to talk about it.  Somehow when I read about your mother I feel like she has malice though I don't think you ever specifically said so and maybe am reading things in where they are not.  I think my dad just has... entitlement or something.  It's true he is an eater, but he is an eater who has always had NS to eat.  I think definitely always.

CH - you said it - acknowledgment as an individual and no just an accessory to the king or queen.  Oh indeedy.  Thank you for expressing what the feelings are of being in that environment.

CB123 - I'm so sorry your kids have experienced such frustrating, crazymaking stuff.  It's really terrible for them, I know.  But it is a huge advantage that they have you as a mom, and not just because of your love and ability to see and appreciate them, but because you know about NPD and can point them toward that knowledge.  That's huge.  It must be so frustrating watching those interactions, too.  I can't imagine how it would be to watch your ex teaching math.  Ugh!  Also, it really helps me so much that you affirm his behavior with the kids.  My dad always wanted to do kid things that he wanted to do.  Recently a co-worker was telling me how they let their kids pick an activity to do on the weekend, from a short list of activities, and they do what the kids pick.  Hey - eureka!  And yet, I feel like I am complaining unfairly because he did spend time with us, even if it was always completely on his terms.  Even activities that seemed to the public like they might be 'for us' were actual chosen by him. 

It's actually unthinkable until right this minute that I could pick an activity and expect a parent (not MY parent) to do the activity, in good spirit, and enjoy my company.  I mean, that kind of giving is completely foreign to my experience (though I have a lot of company in that, here).

Keep your hat on because I have lots more stuff to exorcise and who knows - might be familiar to your kids also. 

Sela - your clarity on his responsibility to be responsible for himself - just cut through all the fuzz.  I am keeping your post and I want to pick it out as a separate topic.  It's like a cool wind blowing away smoke.  Why does he get to be so special indeed?  It has been completely mushy and co-dependent.  Not so much recently because now I avoid him and duck 'tasks' he would like me to do.  But I would say that in younger years his responsibility was my responsibility.  I cannot overstate how invested I was in having a 'normal' family.  Someone recently posted about being 'an accomplice' and I believe in many ways I was, under heavy pressure.  Anyway, I'm definitely not pitching your post - I love it.  It deserves a separate topic.

Hopalong - I think you are the first person I ever met who loathes my dad.  Very refreshing!  In real life he's got a lot of charm and does not seem overbearing.  Even in a wheelchair he always has women interested in him.  He likes to keep them in attendance, but not up close and in a position to be a hassle.  Typical!

axa - my idea of real hell would be to actually be romantically involved with a cerebral N (well, any variety of N really) - I am deeply sorry.

authentic - is your dad is awful and if I understood another post of yours correctly, he sexually abused you.  I hope you are NC with him.

lupine - welcome - it is therapeutic so far. I hope you will share more when the spirit moves you

ami - I've read parts of malignant self love online, but part of my mind was saying 'maybe not my dad'  - but I will do it again.  I have trouble holding certain ideas in my consciousness.  I can believe he would sacrifice my wellbeing through his relentless self-gratification, but there are some other things I cannot hold.  I'll post that stuff later when there is a chance.

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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2007, 03:53:43 PM »
Take as many to-be-continueds as you like, Iphi... patiently absorbing here.

This has been my distortion, too:  "As an aside - it makes me realize something about a distortion of mine.  I think if I am not brilliant at once, then it will never happen.  Time and again I've stopped myself from trying because I don't think I will be good at something, even if I want to do it.  It has not been okay for me to suck unless I don't care at all.  So I end up doing things I don't care about, because then it won't twist me up with anxiety that I am not good at whatever it is.  I do a job that I found boring right away, but it is soothing to me because there is little anxiety.  It's my dad that I am putting in the judge's seat here.  Sigh.  I often look at other people doing big endeavors and all I can say is - I can't do that.  I don't have it.  I don't know how.  But I wish I did."

Just beginning to see things with new eyes... and a mindset that doesn't automatically condemn me to ineptitude.

Hugs,

Hope

P.S.  I think that was Noah who got drunk.

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Re: Chilly Cerebral N
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2007, 03:57:34 PM »
Iphi,

You feel a void where your father should have been - and there's this "stand-in" who looks like a father, sometimes even acts like one, but, really isn't one.

Yes, this is an N. Real, loving caring relationships are reciprocal. If this person were not your father, you'd have no reason to ever contact him again, yes?

But, he's your "father', so, there he is, in your life, whether you like it or not.

For whatever reason, he is stunted in his ability to love, have empathy, and truly care about others.

We all get caught up in this thought, "But, I am truly remarkable, loving, a GRAND and wonderful daughter. Surely, I can change him into being a kind, gentle, loving soul."

NOT happening.

It's not your fault. Somewhere deep in his past, he was neglected and left for a stub of a person.

I had the same thing!

My father died in 1998. Before his death, I sent him a card with a girl playing a violin on the front. (I used to play violin as a girl). Loving, kind, forgiving words for him inside. All he said was, "my that reminds me of Patty." (MY SISTER!)

Lordy, lordy. We want to be recognized as special, but they are just not capable.

I'm sorry you have these experiences where fatherly love should be. You are patient, kind, humorous and loving. Look for relationships elsewhere that will cherish and motivate you to be even more loving and giving. Whenever I tried to do anything to nurture my relationship with my father, it somehow backfired. He didn't need me. Didn't want me. Didn't really have any interest whatsover in me, except that I could cause him money catastrophes or embarrassment in some way. Very too bad. I have to say to myself now it was his loss. We could have shared so many things.

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« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2007, 04:05:42 PM »
For instance, I could never ask for reasons... for any enlightenment re: the thought processes behind what I saw going on in front of me. I don't remember the words ever being said, but the theme - what got planted firmly in my mind - was always: "you couldn't possibly understand".

And just now, I'm seeing yet another aspect of this... does N drop these little hints... such as, letting it be known in a conversation about something going on in your life, that he/she has an appointment, for instance... and there's this air of mystery (intrigue?)... and you just know that you're supposed to inquire further... but there's a dread attached to it, because if you ask, here will come a lengthy monologue - which never really answers the original question. Does this ring a bell with you, Iphi? These little hints always feel like hooks to me.
 
Okay, so here's the little current situation...
A close relative has written to me twice now, mentioning that she has started a new employment. The last email, she said that she'd gone in to work a bit "early again, with the purpose of email in mind". (I guess that means - to write to me - and possibly others.) Then she basically says very little else, and closes with, "Well, just this note for today. Going to get started on the coffee..."
Umm... does it seem odd to you that she doesn't just tell me (twice!) what her new job is? It does seem strange to me! Am I supposed to ask because otherwise she'll assume I'm not interested? I feel baited... and toyed with.

Hi CH!  Well, your post reminds me of a couple of different ways things go in my FOO.  My dad will talk about appointments and tests or about physical therapy or mention some clinical study he is volunteering in or new medication he is taking, but also hold back details of diagnosis or plans or prospects.  I believe it is because he wants to 'control' that information.  So I never ask about those things.  If he didn't want to control it he would probably mention that information at some point, but he never does.  I also do not have any contact information for his doctors or any other sensible type stuff like that.  He has never said anything about giving that to me or my sister and I have never asked.  Control again.  Sometimes I have felt I 'should' ask, but it was way too scary to do so (the probable results of that).  

A lot to think about.  I think the dread for me is reserved for a baited hook which I believe will lead to a rage or contempt.  I mean there are other things that I believe will lead to a length monologue, but I just sort of gird my loins and ask the expected question and tune out except for the occasional 'oh wow' or 'that's so great.'  

I'm trying something new recently though, where I do not offer any information.  I make him do almost all the work and only answer direct questions briefly.  So my advice is don't ask about her new job, just say 'that's great good to hear you are enjoying life' or some general thing.  See if she can stand not telling you.   :twisted:
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« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2007, 08:32:09 PM »
Thank you so very much, yet again, Iphi. Reading back through what I wrote here this morning, I just think you did really well in making sense of it! Much of this stuff is still encased in a "little me" who doesn't recognize what's wrong with it... just senses it's not right.

And you did !  You got it... exactly what I was trying to express... and more!  What you said about your Dad holding back details is exactly the same with my mother... and I do believe it is about control. She's very vague... will toss out tidbits here and there, but never just give the whole scoop, straight up. Gives me chills as I recognize some of the ways I've mimicked her in years past, thinking that's how it's to be done.. for the sake of managing things in an orderly fashion. Now I see - withholding knowledge is nothing but another smokescreen.
My main desire now is to remedy any residual "ways" of hers under which I may be operating, so that I won't pass that crud on to my children.
Also, I want to address some of this with my oldest two daughters who are now making homes of their own and on whom I am certain to have unloaded some of that residue  :?
Talking this through here with you helps.

Today in my kitchen, cooking away... I was thinking of how my mother never really taught me to cook anything. It was all so complicated and had to be done "just so". Well, I used to chalk that up to her perfectionistic, compulsive ways... but then this afternoon, some pieces started to fall into place. I remembered an incident where she'd made some bread stuffing and I'd seen the "stove top" boxes in the rubbish. Someone complimented her on the dressing and asked about the recipe. She gave some brief reply and I saw that momentary flash of anger on her face - - -  that person who asked broke a cardinal rule - ask nothing!! Everything is so top secret! She wouldn't just say it was from a box. Would not. And we're not talking plain old garden-variety pride here... that flash of anger tells the tale. So I think that's why she wouldn't teach me how to cook... she would not let me in on her secrets or shortcuts... even in the simplest of things.
She must have viewed me as competition.
Good grief. Lord knows she hated it when I grew up to be a decent cook... especially when I'd make something just the way my dad liked it, not stingy with the meat or cheese, as she is... always holding back, making it a bit less than what she knows would be the favorite.
Again, I could go on and on... but I won't.
Such a little thing, next to all the many big things she left unsaid and unaddressed, unattended to.. like my identity, my hopes, my life.
There was plenty of muttering in my kitchen today, over so many other negligible loads of hooey with which I allowed my brain to be stuffed. A legend in her own mind, she is, but not in mine any longer.

By the way, she doesn't rage, but her disdain and contempt are withering... at least they were to the "me that was".
So far, I haven't thought of any examples of her actually baiting the hook, but then I think she's an 8-something on the N'ish scale... and then, of course, I was her "accessory" until I moved too far away to fill that role. Quite a distance to toss a line these days.

Dear Iphi... you don't have to try to reply to all this... I know it's minor stuff, but it's the sort of stuff I can piece together without drowning in the bigger swamp... and it's good for me to put it down here, I think.
Yesterday was her birthday. I sent a card, but mailed it late. My husband and I signed it... no letter enclosed. No information.
Told my kids about the upcoming day, but they didn't make a card to send.
I don't push them to anymore. They do seem to know that she's a fraud.

Oh, about that other relative... thank you for your advice! I didn't ask her specifically about her new job, but I did ask whether she felt she'd been there long enough yet (about 5 weeks) to know whether she'd want to do it long-term... or was she going to play that by ear.
I hope that wasn't a dysfunctional question  :?  I really don't know anymore.
I do know that she's involved with Codependency support groups, so maybe her not volunteering any info was her way of dealing with detaching from the outcome of whether or not I'd be interested. Sheesh... gets so that nobody knows what's okay to say and what's not.
Scrambles my brain.

((((((((Iphi)))))))

Much love,
Hope

P.S. to Dandylife... I am so sorry you're dad didn't have the awareness of what a lovely daughter you are. My dad probably would have said the girl reminded him of my youngest daughter... we're special to him because we're "his", not because he really knows either one of us. Hugs to you.
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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2007, 11:24:01 AM »
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NoMore, "dad would not look at" you.

CertainHope, "dad would not slow down" for children...
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My N (and otherwise demented) husband, has the biggest issue with eye contact of anyone I've ever met!  He will talk to you while staring beyond you, and only momentarily glace at your eyes and then back off into the distance again.  Or, he will close his eyes intermittently, which makes me wonder if there is some schizophrenia in him (closed eyes are a sign of that).

NH also will NOT slow down enough for me to walk beside him.  The children built up their leg muscles just from learning to not be dragged along by this self-centered, driven man.  He will brag about how "strong their legs got" as some sort of justification of him doing this to them.  He will tell me "exercise is good for you.  Learn to stretch those legs, dear!"

I know it's ungodly to HATE people, but I come VERY CLOSE at times with this creature.

~Laura

PS.  Kay used to just make "digs" at me, insinuating that she wanted to take me sight-seeing, but she knew it would be too hard on me because of MY WEIGHT!

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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2007, 02:13:49 PM »
Hi Hope,

I often think the not-answering-simple-questions thing might sometimes be:

I am too special to divert my special train of special thought to address myself to a gnagging gnat.

Ohitmakesmegritmyteeth,
Hops

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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2007, 02:57:55 PM »
Hi Hope,

I often think the not-answering-simple-questions thing might sometimes be:

I am too special to divert my special train of special thought to address myself to a gnagging gnat.

Ohitmakesmegritmyteeth,
Hops



Hops,

I know.. gives me cold chills. I was trying to think of an example, but it'd be impossible to type up.. you'd have to be sitting here with me so I could talk with my hands... lol  :?

You know, sometimes I'm not prepared to give my kids a yes or no when they ask about something... but I always give them a time when I'll have an answer for them.. and, when possible, I explain to them what the answer depends upon (someone else's concerns, for instance). But this goes so far beyond yes-es and no-s. And another thing!!! .... making everything so daggone complicated is what makes her feel so speshul, so unless you support the entire illusion by listening to an hour-long monologue, you may as well count yourself off the "need to know" list. Heaven forbid you might suggest a - gulp - simple solution to one of her many complex dilemmas.

Oh, I saw someplace on the board that your brother had appeared on the scene, unannounced. I hope he's gone and you're able to enjoy the rest of your weekend, as much as possible! 

Hugs,
Hope


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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2007, 07:09:06 PM »
Right...thanks, Hope and thank you, was it oh pooh I'm sorry, been just quick=peeks here this weekend, but meanwhile...

Yep, he's here. We're fine. He's leaving in the morning. These are the subtle things that bug me although on the surface all is calm:

--he did not call ME to tell me he was coming. I just happened to be off work yesterday when he called (to talk to Mom's day-sitter)...or I would have had no idea. I would have come home to find him here. I believe he still triangulates and would have pumped our day-helper for info. I resent it. I live with my mother and have full responsibility for her, but he tends to disregard my role. Even with his phone call, I had just 2 hours warning that he would be here for 2 nights. (As long as Mom is alive, he feels free to come unannouned whenever he likes. That I live here, and have for 8 years, is irrelevant.)

--I do not feel comfortable leaving him alone in the house with my private belongings and papers (ever since the huge invasion of my privacy--invading my computer, forwarding himself private letters and lying about it--a few years ago). So when he decides to come, my plans are cancelled. (For my own comfort).

--He snoops, so I am staying in my space and keeping my radar up.

--He stays up all night, so I find it hard to relax. He slept until 4:00 today, and will be up all night again.

He has been nice, cooked us a meal. And all very polite, etc. But I don't feel the old wiring I have from childhood will ever be fully fixed. I can tell he is a lonely person (he's on the road a great deal) and comes here for a sense of "returning home". I won't begrudge him any visits with Mom, and I'm glad for her to see him.

But the bottom line is, I don't especially like him (he's very right wing, obsessed with guns and Fox News, and we have nothing in common but blood relation). And I do not like the thought that he feels free to come w/o warning, especially when the subtext is a "surprise" visit. It's as though he were checking up on a nursing home! So he finds Mom cheerful, well cared for and so forth. I wish he'd behave respectfully but he obviously won't. On the surface, all's well. And he hasn't entered my study since I confronted him that time.

After Mom is gone, if I can afford to stay here, I will change the locks. I'll tell him he may visit but not without asking me when's a good time.

Nerves on edge,
Hops
"That'll do, pig, that'll do."

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Re: Chilly Cerebral N
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2007, 08:05:43 PM »
Dear Hops,
   My thoughts and prayers are with you. I am sorry that you you have such a painful relationship with your brother.((((((((((((((((Hops))))))))))))))))))))))                     Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: Chilly Cerebral N
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2007, 08:48:39 PM »
Oh dear Hops,

What a bundle of miserable feelings is stirred by his enormous sense of entitlement   :?

I used to be at the beck and call of a thoughtless, disrespectful brother.
Best counsel... "As much as it depends on you, live at peace with all men."
And keep your study locked.

Love and hugs,
Hope



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Re: Chilly Cerebral N
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2007, 06:03:53 AM »
Hops,

Sorry you had an unannounced visit.  I did not realise it at the time but now I know XN snopped everywhere, knows everything about my financial position etc... what a creep.  It is terrible that you have to be on guard in your own home.

Really me

Know the lack of eye contact thing.  People used to comment to me all the time the fact that XN would address them and even turn his head in another direction.  I was one of the few people he could have eye contact with but that depended on the situation.  When he was grooming me in the beginning, and towards the end when he was being particularily vicious.  I used to tell him I hated his "dead eye look".......... still gives me the creeps when I think of it.  You know the saying the eyes are the gateway to the soul, guess if you have no soul you need to hide your eyes.

As for the unanswered questions........... wow.  Announcements would be made, no discussion. Bits of information would be dropped in the midst of a conversation when challenged he would shut down.  He drip fed info or made throw away comments, I think he could not resist the game of creating confusion and uncertainty.  He loved this so much seeing me struggling with trying to understand what he was saying but withholding information.  Thank God all that is gone.

Where there is confusion there is abuse............really believe this one.

axa