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Re: Why do the abused/voiceless cling onto their abusers in adulthood?
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2007, 12:16:41 PM »
Hi Hoppy-

I don't want any monetary or practical assistance from my mother, I can manage those things for myself.In fact I offered to help her, have prepared meals in her freezer for every day, take her to the doctor's office, etc.- she hadn't seen me since I was almost 4 y.o except for perhaps 8-10 times, which were before I became a teen. I would have loved to have had someone to talk to, that's all, somewhere to go where I could find family support. It's silly really. But it would also make me feel better that I was doing what I could for her- I guess I am doing so, in an odd way, as she is so uncomfortable with me.

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Re: Why do the abused/voiceless cling onto their abusers in adulthood?
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2007, 12:40:51 PM »
Well said tayana and replace mom with 'dad' and your whole post is what I would like to say about my own FOO.  It still amazes me that he doesn't see how much I wanted that - he resents it because it is an imposition on him.  I was just ruminating because now my baby is 6 mos. old and it is a forbidden idea that they would come to visit to see this baby and if I brought up the idea that he/they should visit me it would cause conflict for which I would be blamed as the instigater.  I just can't tolerate that anymore.  It's too much for me.  I can't go the mat and wrestle, not even one more time.   If I wanted my dad to love me then I would have to play his game, except that even when I play his game - he still doesn't.  And if I approach the idea of a need of mine - then it is I who is the bully for bringing such a thing up.

changing your mom sees you as a living rebuke of her shortcomings and no amount of TLC and unconditional love from you to her will change her guilt for her own actions which were and are her own responsibility, which she will not take steps to reflect upon or resolve.  My wish for you is that you meet with people who are able to love you back as well as you are able to love them.  Then you will be set in joy for life.

Character, which has nothing to do with intellect or skill, can evolve only by increasing our capacity to love, and to become lovable. - Joan Grant

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Re: Why do the abused/voiceless cling onto their abusers in adulthood?
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2007, 01:04:36 PM »
Iphi-

Thank you for your insight- you are right and I will just do the best I can to accept and release, not my first choice though.
How sad that those folks are not begging  constantly to come to your house to see that gorgeous baby and smell that addictive breathtaking baby smell!!! You don't have time for those boneheads- cast ye not pearls before swine- this special time is precious and fleeting!
As a mother and baby you are a small and beautiful universe unto yourselves, the rest of us just satellites hurtling past for now. I wish you and your young family all the best, with your time free from any concern about the swine!

Love and kisses for the Baby,

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Re: Why do the abused/voiceless cling onto their abusers in adulthood?
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2007, 01:44:15 PM »
Changing, thank you for your kind words.  I'm working hard.  Tonight's nervewracking moment before I go to my T will be that M wants to talk to Grandma.  I hate that, but I will allow it, within reason.

Iphi, you are right, even when I play the game, I don't feel like my mom loves me.  She made a point of telling me the other day that she worries about me.  She does?  I don't see any evidence of concern, other than being guilt tripped into visiting her and my dad.  They don't or won't visit me in my home.  I'd prefer that they didn't.  She has some things gathered up for me, that she's decided she's going to leave at my front door and hope no one steals them, because it's just too hard to arrange a meeting time.  These things don't feel like worry, they feel like she's trying to find a way to check on me, to criticize what I'm doing.  She can't just come into my home and have a conversation.  We have nothing to discuss because it just devolves into criticism or silence.  I don't talk to her about my work, and the only things she cares about that is how much of a raise I'm getting when my promotion goes into effect.  I don't feel love.  I don't feel concern.  I feel pressured.  I feel like my privacy is being invaded.  I had to arrange for alternative childcare because the latchkey program at my son's school was full, so he ends up spend a couple of hours a day with kids younger than him.  There's nothing wrong with this, other than I hear repeatedly, "He needs to play with kids his own age."  My son has serious social skills issues.  I think playing with kids younger than him is actually good because socially, he's at about the smae level, and my mom prevented him from having any sort of interaction outside of school with other kids.  She didn't worry about him not being around kids his age then, but all of a sudden, it's a concern.

The reality of a parent like my mom is that there is no unconditional love.  Either you are "in" or you are "out."  Right now I am "out."  A long time ago, I asked my mom what she would do if I were gay.  I don't even remember why I asked the question, other than I was confused.  I remember asking, but I don't remember what was going on in my life at the time.  She told me she would love me anyway.  Riiiiight.  I didn't believe her then, so my confusion got bottled away for several more years, and now, when I've finally accepted who I am, there is no way I'd ever tell her.  Why?  Because she wouldn't love me, even though she said she would.  I wouldn't fit her "perfect image."  I'd be something hideous and disgusting to her, and why would I ever tell her when I hear so many bigoted comments come out of her mouth?  I decided, when I finally accepted the truth, that she didn't deserve to know.  But it hurts.  It hurts so much not to have that support.

Sorry, Iphi, I didn't mean to digress.  I loved your post, and I got to thinking that's all.
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Re: Why do the abused/voiceless cling onto their abusers in adulthood?
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2007, 01:56:54 PM »
Oh no not to worry tayana, I know exactly what you mean and while I was reading it I was thinking of various parallel incidents with my dad where he says he would have done something or has this story about the past or the future - but it's just a story.  Last spring he waxed poetic about what a great grandfather he will be.  Mmhmm.  At first it made me angry because he was talking about all the love and attention he planned to give his grandson, which would stand it quite stark contrast to his attitude toward his grandson's mom.  But then I realized it was all just more vainglory.  And then I was mad because it was all bulls### and I am supposed to agree and reinforce that picture.  But then really it's best that it is all horsepucky because just as you say - it's better that they don't come around.  As my H says - "Don't say anything to him about visiting us, Iphi.  We don't want him!"   

Based on my own experiences and what you are saying - I think your mom's fantasy of unconditional acceptance of your sexuality is just that - fantasy.  She would probably think your sexuality is a reflection on her and be angry like you are doing something to her by being yourself.  And then think of the NS she could get from third parties.  It is possible my take is too cynical but.... 

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Re: Why do the abused/voiceless cling onto their abusers in adulthood?
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2007, 02:23:10 PM »
Thanks for being understanding Iphi, and no you aren't being cynical.  I've often considered telling her just to see if that would mean she would wash her hands of me, but I figure that's being too positive.  She'd probably start looking for ways to "Cure" me, like she looks for ways to "cure" my asperger's child.  Neither one of us need curing, just understanding.  The world's hostile enough without having someone try to "Cure" you for being yourself.  Or maybe she already knows and part of her criticism has been an effort to "fix" me.

I had a transgender friend in college who'd interacted with my mom some, and was around when I was involved with my son's father.  She told me that my mom didn't deserve to know, and what good did it accomplish for her to know.  I've clung to that philosophy.
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