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Spirit

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« on: May 07, 2004, 10:01:00 PM »
Hello, this is my first post and sorry in advance cos it is going to be long and my English is not perfect.
It also involves pently of sorry self centered statements too I suppose

I am 28 and always been a loner. Thinking back, my childhood was lonely and very pressurising from where I stand now.  Although I was excelling in studies and being modelled around as a 'perfect obedient 'student/child , which I suppose kept me going , things changed in adolescence. I did ( what I consider now  as ) internalising and created my own internal world. Mediocracy frustrated me, its either tops or bottom for me even accademically from then on. My heath deterioated too, got wheezing, ulcer, and sometimes headaches. The depression grew etc and finally I am here, intellectually sound, but emotionally bankerupt.

I now recognise after some extensive research including councelling, that the problem is not entirely with the world but with me. N person, is not always someone else I think. !

My parents, I have cut off relationship with them and havent talked for over a year now. My father, is what I consider is someone who always is right and cant be wrong. According to him he has never made any mistake since he was 13yr old ! According to him, he is the cleverest person in the world, and I am the next. Sometimes or most times he fails to see any difference between us which is shocking. According to him he is 'protecting' me from the world cos it is evil and everyone is jealous of him and me ( who are the only good people about ,apart from some of his own relatives ). In other words he is living ( in his own words ) which he repeats often  ' solely for the sake of me' . I have also noted that he has muted off negative feelings, he simply fogets them. He is also a puritan, no drinking, and is very religious etc. He is also so frightened of death, he implied very strongly only reason that keeps him alive is 'his love for me' and so as not to fail me without whom I would be lost in the world. According to him he has had two heart attacks, but according to me and others he has had only one ! What do I call him ?? Nfather, or is it codependency ? or is it simply emotional rape and abuse ? Must add that he has taken care of me financially and given me a good education though

My mother, this is something that hit me so recently, only has not sunken in yet completely i guess and it is so hearbreaking for me. She is as good as dead for me . She was never there for me. When i was in Uni my tutor was the one who 'first' made me think about myself, and was kind of 'councelling' me from behid the back. He planted seeds of doubt in my mind about her.. which lead me to do research and finally recognise that our family is not exactly the 'perfect happy family' as I was often told. When I entered therapy later on, the therapist told after long frustrating sessions ( i guess i never showed my true face to her much ,just my N face i think ) that from what i told my mother was ' extremely self-centered' and only seemed to care about herself. I was 'fathering her' and saving her from abuse from my dad and sometimes she wouldnt even acknowledge it cos in he rmind it might get her into trouble perhaps with dad. She is not even warm with kids, and sometimes even panics to even pick up the phone, all she needs is to keep out of worldly troubles ( which even includes my existence perhaps ) She has not even made any attempt to contact me ( not even once ) after I was gradually breaking up relationship with them . What do I call her, emotionally absent, neglecting ?

I am now lost and depressed and all alone, and and am facing serious problems relating with people. I was so confused that I had questions of my sexuality etc which was the reason I went to therapy ( not the N factor i think ) Now no therapy, and nothing hs changed, I also consider I have some behaviours whicvh I consider obsesive compulsive ( like certain mini rituals in privacy etc ) which I realise started when i was in my teens.

I read through this messageboard  plus some other sites regarding Narcissism, codependency, emotional and sexual abuse, neglect, a bit of psychoanalysis etc Somehow I realise I keep intellectualising everythign, and don't seem to be doing any real progress in life. I am trying to get back to the GP and ask for therapy, somehow I have not mustered up the courage. Hopefully posting here will keep me on the right track.

Sorry for the long rant but I thought I needed to shout out loud

 :oops:

Althought labelling doesn't always help and isnt always necessary, I would somehow like the idea of naming me, and my parents. I believe I have done so myself above, but still I am not sure. I think if i label then it is easier to concentrate on heeling ? I would be so thankfull if some of you going through similar process care to give any suggestions.

thanks for reading

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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2004, 11:33:28 AM »
Hi Spirit,  :)

I read your post with much interest. First, I admire your courage to write so honestly here. I think it took a lot of guts.

If you want to label your parents and yourself, I think that is SANE. And the way to do it (in my view) is to get back into therapy and sort it out there. The therapist won't label you, but you can definitely talk to him/her about your own self-labels. They may change over time, you know. And remember that you are not merely a bunch of pathologies because you sound very articulate, curious, and I bet you are creative.

It's all right if you see a therapist and intellectualize to him/her. That's what I do. Who cares! At least I'm in treatment. You should see me when I'm not!  :roll:

keep posting,
bunny

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2004, 08:16:49 PM »
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Hi Spirit,  :)

I read your post with much interest. First, I admire your courage to write so honestly here. I think it took a lot of guts.

If you want to label your parents and yourself, I think that is SANE. And the way to do it (in my view) is to get back into therapy and sort it out there. The therapist won't label you, but you can definitely talk to him/her about your own self-labels. They may change over time, you know. And remember that you are not merely a bunch of pathologies because you sound very articulate, curious, and I bet you are creative.

It's all right if you see a therapist and intellectualize to him/her. That's what I do. Who cares! At least I'm in treatment. You should see me when I'm not!  :roll:

keep posting,
bunny


Thanks for the reply Bunny

Your comments about 'its sane to label ' is refreshing and make me feel a bit free in a way. It's like I have got 'permission'  :oops:

Thinking back after I posted the first message last night, I realised the main reasons I  posted here is to muster the courage to get back to therapy cos I knew I would find it so hard to do it for myself ( again asking permission ? )... I will make it a point to see the GP this week. But I think it might take upto a month before I get the appointment though.


About intellectualising to a therapist,  what I am concerned is I would be using him/her to show how clever I am. This was politely pointed out by my previous therapist. Imagine me in university, my projest was called 'intellectual mastubation' by one of the tutors and he claimed I am there to teach them and that he needed to pay the tution fee
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seriously though, the problem is I am often frightened to talk about things which I am not sure ( and I am never sure of most things )  to people who I think know more about it. ie. I would feel very shy to mention words like 'voicelessness' 'obesessive compulsion' etc to someone who I think has the right to judge me and is knowledgable to judge me. Its like being afraid of people who have 'power' of sorts. Anyone else facing the same problem ? You also mentioned that therapists never label and I know that from experience. Its like, i don't get the 'permission' to decide who I am. Somehow I wish I would benefit more from therapy this time.

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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2004, 11:24:42 AM »
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Thinking back after I posted the first message last night, I realised the main reasons I  posted here is to muster the courage to get back to therapy cos I knew I would find it so hard to do it for myself ( again asking permission ? )... I will make it a point to see the GP this week. But I think it might take upto a month before I get the appointment though.


We all need permission to be ourselves when we've been taught otherwise.


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About intellectualising to a therapist,  what I am concerned is I would be using him/her to show how clever I am. This was politely pointed out by my previous therapist. Imagine me in university, my projest was called 'intellectual mastubation' by one of the tutors and he claimed I am there to teach them and that he needed to pay the tution fee
 :D .


Your tutor sounds idiotic. I suppose he envied your intelligence, you were probably way ahead of him. No one should say 'intellectual masturbation' to a pupil. That is just outrageous.

I think your therapist was attempting to tell you about an emotional defense which you already knew about! All he did was make you feel bad. We need to hold on to our defenses for a long time before questioning them and finally experimenting with new ones.



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seriously though, the problem is I am often frightened to talk about things which I am not sure ( and I am never sure of most things )  to people who I think know more about it. ie. I would feel very shy to mention words like 'voicelessness' 'obesessive compulsion' etc to someone who I think has the right to judge me and is knowledgable to judge me. Its like being afraid of people who have 'power' of sorts. Anyone else facing the same problem ? You also mentioned that therapists never label and I know that from experience. Its like, i don't get the 'permission' to decide who I am. Somehow I wish I would benefit more from therapy this time.


I have this same issue, and I think most therapy patients do. Most people are afraid that the therapist will feel critically toward them, will judge them (even if silently), and will feel we know NOTHING even if there's evidence we know quite a lot. This is the transference, it's perfectly normal and even necessary in therapy. You're allowed to say, "I'm afraid you will think I'm using you to feel clever." or "You probably think I just intellectually masturbate in here."

bunny

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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2004, 03:30:55 PM »
Thanks yet again Bunny. You might have a fair point about what my ex-therapist said to me about me trying to be clever and proving points. While she keeps reminding me to trust my own feelings she never failed to acknowledge my intelligence, but I wished she had done it more patiently. She also used to often say 'so you already know' 'as you say so yourself'  'so you are already aware' 'you seem to be already on the path' etc implying that she acknowledged my viewpoint, my intelligence and the effort I have put in to read and do research or even to question myself or my parents etc But again I wish she had given me more flexibility and time.

Somehow I was looking for swift results at that time because I thought she would be critical and losing patience with me if I took too much time without any progress. In fact I do remember me trying to progress fast, ( like trying to get into some relationship, I desparately tried to make new friends etc)   to please her so that she won't get fed up with me !! I will give myself more time for sure this time and wish he/she would do the same.
We all need our little spaces for excentricity etc its just that I needed more space and time than the usual !

About my tutor, he even once gave me the feedback for my report starting with the words ' thoughts from a deranged mind ' . But he means nothing to me and I did accept and modify my work ( not for his sake but because I did accept certain points he made ) and later on during the graduation ceremony I even took a photo with him and its not me who looks uncertain and grumpy in that pic lol

spirit

ps. About therapists, if there is a choice is it better to go for the same sex therapist ? Or is it better to go for a therapist of the sex as that of the neglecting parent ? Last time it was a female therapist and my mother is some one who was virtually not present at any time for me and perhaps that might have had its say ? either way both my parents are faulty for me, so I am still not sure If I should insist on a male therapist

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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2004, 12:17:37 AM »
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Somehow I was looking for swift results at that time because I thought she would be critical and losing patience with me if I took too much time without any progress.


This is a common feeling we patients have. You can bring it up to him/her next time: "I feel like I'd better make quick progress or you'll lose patience." This is exactly what they want to hear. It tells them a lot about the environment we grew up in.


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if there is a choice is it better to go for the same sex therapist ? Or is it better to go for a therapist of the sex as that of the neglecting parent ? Last time it was a female therapist and my mother is some one who was virtually not present at any time for me and perhaps that might have had its say ? either way both my parents are faulty for me, so I am still not sure If I should insist on a male therapist


I don't think it matters as long as the therapist is good. Competence is more important than gender in my opinion.

bunny