Author Topic: Some thoughts about moderating the board  (Read 15689 times)

Bella_French

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Re: Some thoughts about moderating the board
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2007, 03:05:50 PM »
Dear Janet, Thanks so much for letting me know. I seem to have missed all of the recent conflicts (I'm in the wrong time zone!!!).

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Re: Some thoughts about moderating the board
« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2007, 03:24:49 PM »
My Dear Janet-

You have always been wonderful to me, and so are the perfect person to initiate this discussion.There must be some sort of reality check here. The vile PM that was sent to another person here certainly warranted a response on my part, and I did what I could in response and defense of the injured party. The recipient of the hate mail showed grace and evolvement, and chose to respond with great tact and kindness. If the situation arises again, I will respond in support in turn.
There was also a great deal of tsouris regarding expectations of others on the board.  As I can best understand it, in one instance a person interacted with persons who had been identified as having caused them hurt in the past and had somehow found this board. This person indicated that others here might interact with these people from the past as well (I would not). I cannot fault anyone here in doing so, and can only urge honesty in telling others not to violate one's safe space if that is the case, and requesting assistance in their removal/containment if that help is needed as well. Sometimes we cannot take care of those who mean to hurt us, and we must keep them at bay, getting help if needed. (i.e. NH Bagworm in my case)
In addition, a poll was taken and individual thoughts were requested. As the poll numbers came in a great deal of disappointment was expressed by the initiator of the poll regarding the responses , and I later read charges about hurt and pain inflicted upon the poll-taker in unconscionable posts, but I cannot recall any instances of heinous posts there- the thread is down so I cannot reread it in order to find any that I may have missed. Disagreement is not invalidation or abuse.It seemed that no amount of reiterating support for the person, rather than the idea promulgated, was sufficient, and instead of accepting the results, differing responses were attacked and invalidated as character flaws, as not caring about the hurting people, as some sort of kitchen -sink pseudo psychological response, etc. I do care about the pain of others, and yet my vote was questioned and I was attacked for it. If it is a vote, then my vote should be respected as well as the vote of the poll-taker. Let us have no more of this nonsense. We (I) need freedom of expression here. I am sorry if another may feel extreme pain due to their perception of my disagreement as a personal disappointment- perhaps an unbiased outside source might help in sorting this out for them. I did all that I could, other than capitulate.
I am not making judgements regarding individual perceptions, perceived pain or the need for help, as these are all subjective to the individual. We can only do so much here- if NH Bagworm comes to this board, I will not feel safe- no Moderator can change that- NH must be blocked completely from access (hard to do I think). I would ask that his posts be removed , etc. If not , and I remain and invite others to interact with him, about me, I will surely be damaged!!!I cannot, however, blame the board if I do not give the required information, only to blame later- that would be dishonest.
Similarly, if I take a poll, and the tally disagrees with me, and I continue to insist my aims are correct repeatedly, getting into discussions where I endeavor to prove my point and invalidate the opposition rather than letting poll results freely speak for themselves, I can expect that American, Canadian, Australian and British voters, who are used to an unhampered polling place, may react rather firmly by requesting that their votes be respected and not questioned or characterized with ad hominem attacks such as all who do not agree with me do not care about damaging people, and suchlike. A poll is quite different from a thread.I would understand that they would find this insulting and coercive.
I did not respond before specifically to this incident, but only at your behest. I hope that all can work together in harmony, albeit imperfectly- different notes and rhythms, to the same end. I want to thank everyone on the board for their kindness to me and assure everyone that I want the best for them as well.

Love,

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Re: Some thoughts about moderating the board
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2007, 03:43:24 PM »
I love those big words you use, Changing..."behest"  how kewl ;)

I want to again state that I did not invite board members to interract with both people from my past who came here...only with the first one.  "Mary" was always a very fair person in my life as much as she knew how to be.  I expected that of her even as she came to this board which I invited her to.  She was angry and expressed her anger at me as was her right and her voice.  THe next person to come along however, handled things in typical fashion.  I don't recall really saying whether or not any of you should correspond to her on here.  I do know that I prayed/wished her and her family well and assured her that I was ending all contact, since I now heard her boundaries of N/C loud and clear at last.

Do i like it? no.  My heart is always to rejoin with people, to reexperience a similar situation and to have it be successful the next time around, thus healing the original wound of the past.  If the other party chooses not to do so, I have learned that to not honor their decision, is folly.

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Re: Some thoughts about moderating the board
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2007, 03:45:50 PM »
Disagreement is not invalidation or abuse

Changing, this is so true, and so difficult for victims of childhood intellectual abuse to come to terms with. I think we have some members who were wounded in this way as children; its so hard for them to hear other opinions without being triggered and feeling attacked, but also hard for others who need to have a unique  voice without walking on eggshells. I wonder what the best solution to this problem could be? Awareness? Being gentle with one another's triggers? I'm not sure.

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Re: Some thoughts about moderating the board
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2007, 03:55:43 PM »
Hi ReallyMe-

I am sorry that I didn't understand the whole thing (OK to talk to #1person but not #2). I didn't want to interact with either, as my concern and interest is with you, which is why I asked if you wanted me to ignore either of them. I do not like you being subjected to hurt here.

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Re: Some thoughts about moderating the board
« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2007, 03:56:33 PM »
I was one of the people who told Authentic that it was "just" FOO stuff. I 'knew" that some "bad" dynamics were going on,but I thought that you would find that anywhere.
 You do find "bad' dynamics most places -BUT- the thing is that you have to be able to TALK about them with out being scapegoated.. That was what Authentic was saying and I could not hear her until she left and I had a "shock"
 We lost a great board member. I was as much at fault as anyone.   Now, I  see what she meant. the problem was not that the FOO dynamics were  here. The problem was that no one would  talk about the "elephant in the living room" The elephant is that there are some N's here who are making some N rules.
  It is so subtle. That is why I could not see it
.However, with N's, the one thing that they are is subtle. That is why we got so abused in the first place.If N's wore a glaring  banner  that said, I am an  N "-no one would get abused by them.May God give His Grace to the Board so that we can see the truth and it will make us free .
                                      Love   Ami
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Re: Some thoughts about moderating the board
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2007, 04:13:26 PM »
Hi Bella-

I believe that I was extremely courteous and only did as I was asked, voted in the poll, "chimed in", etc, and did all that I could to assuage any hurt that was expressed in reaction to the majority difference of opinion.  I certainly felt no malice and expressed none, walked on eggshells quite glady, and tried to express support and friendship in an extremely gentle fashion,to no avail.
Sometimes there are problems that require 3d help, such as is the case of many of my issues, in order to resolve. We cannot make everything right for everyone here, cannot make everyone happy all of the time, I am not sure that that is this purpose, really. This board provides loving support of everyone to get what they need to function and heal, despite their many traumas and the hurt that was caused, even if the another sort of assistance is to be found elsewhere as well. It would be a mistake to think that we are capable of causing and alleviating all issues for everyone, and a great cruelty to pretend that we can. We can bring understanding, love and friendship- these are not always enough, and this is not a failure.

Love,

Changing

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Re: Some thoughts about moderating the board
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2007, 04:23:24 PM »
Very strong and insightful message, Changing! I agree with you.
Love, Beth
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Re: Some thoughts about moderating the board
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2007, 04:34:54 PM »
I guess  that Changing with her integrity and decency makes a good point. When everyone has said their truth. They each have to decide if the board is a good vehicle  to take them to healing. Does the good(in their opinion) outweigh the bad(in their opinion)? If the answer is "yes". They stay. If it is no,  they leave.
   Each makes his choice. I guess that each board member has to learn to have his own integrity. This was not a lesson that we learned in our N home.
  Each one has to find his true voice--not another lesson we learned. Each one has to try to build the values that he finds important.
  Changing,  I   could hear what you are saying .    .Thank you ,           Ami
   
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: Some thoughts about moderating the board
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2007, 04:42:30 PM »
Changing,

I think you have it explained it very eloquently, and carefully. The situation with ReallyMe was a complicated one, and several people were unsure what to do. Asking was a good way to proceed. Some didn't do that.

With other circumstances, though, other people seem to have been causing pain knowing they are doing it. They continue until Dr G has to step in, when asked, to get them to stop.

It is this that Authentic was trying to get discussed, mainly. The fact that pain is sometimes caused knowingly, deliberately, and subtly. When others still say 'get over it' or 'ignore it', that's when people leave.

And that's such a pity.

I, too, have had more 'Aha!' moments here than anywhere else, and some of the people here have been such an inspiration to me.

Harmony here would be lovely, but unlikely, I think.


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Re: Some thoughts about moderating the board
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2007, 04:49:48 PM »
I agree with Janets point that some here cause  pain knowingly  and the pretend that they did not do anything.Moreover,it was YOUR fault for even noticing.
  All that is true and I agree 100%. For now, the good simply outweighs the bad. for me. That is how I see it.
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Re: Some thoughts about moderating the board
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2007, 05:13:47 PM »
Dear Changing, I'm so sorry to hear that you went through that. Hugs to you!

Janet and Ami, I think you raise very good points.

I have learned a lot from forum communities, and one of them is that rocky relationships can change over time and it is an extremely rewarding experience when it does. I remember one girl in a particular (on another forum, which was moderated) who used to lash out at me and send me abusive PM's every time I challenged her denial. It didn't matter how gently or unintentional this was; her walls of denial were huge, and she hated me. She had a knack for bullying too, and had befriended the moderator (beware!) , who consequently never protected me from the abuse. She was popular and outspoken, and I really wanted to leave that community.

But I got the sense that she was on path of healing, and I didn't hate her back. I quite liked her, actually. She blossomed in the three years I knew her. She became quite humble, and she wrote the most beautiful letter to me once, apologising for her immaturity and rudeness, and she said that she hoped that I could see her growth, and forgive her past. It was really one of the most special moments I've experienced in recent years. If I'd left, I would not have experienced that.

Mind you, I've met real dummies online too...the kind obtuse bullies who never grow and behave like a bulldozer. Its best to use `ignore' with these people....they stop existing for you. It really works too!

I don't know if any of this helps, but this worked for me.

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Re: Some thoughts about moderating the board
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2007, 05:15:20 PM »
Hi Ami-

I agree with you. This Board is filled with wonderful people who have done a great deal for me and I am thankful.

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Re: Some thoughts about moderating the board
« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2007, 05:22:56 PM »
Dear Bella,
  You kind of said it all.                                                                                                                 Changing-- I respect you so much that I could" hear "your voice .
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Re: Some thoughts about moderating the board
« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2007, 05:35:49 PM »
I have a suggestion with regard to those posts that one feels are deliberately to cause pain.  I think that you cannot afford to wait for the river to flow on past and then refer back to such a post in a general way because then how can you address the issue in general? 

It is best if it is addressed specifically and in the as close to the present moment as possible on a message board.

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