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Hopalong

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Being Present Today
« on: September 27, 2007, 03:46:34 PM »
Hi all,

I think I can speak while respecting Doc G's guidance. (Doc G, let me know if I misunderstood.)

I want to post about how I am feeling, to just deal better with my present feelings in this present afternoon. I am exhausted, didn't sleep most of the night. Had awful nightmares, worst I remember in years. A heavy, heavy night. I feel slowed down and foggy and as though I am a beat behind the second hand. Weary.

I realized around 4 a.m. that I felt a bit muzzled. So I felt cut off from the board. And that felt like an unintended resolution. Then I realized I was feeling so rode-hard-put-up-wet I probably overinterpreted what Doc G intended. This morning, I think he most likely didn't mean that I should be silent and not refer to my my own feelings...just be mindful that we'but had asked us just not to reference any person in  the previous situation's specifics. I'm in total agreement, hope I've understood correctly. Does anybody think I've understood it right, or not right? That would really help, to know.

So...um.

I'm better now, but notice I'm feeling odd and disconnected when I post to others. I am feeling swamped and kind of stunned. But I want to keep participating as ever... Simply popping in with the usual energy for posting has been difficult today, and I miss my own peace. (My job, I know.)

I think I lost a chunk of my sense of belonging, in a very short space of time. So I think the support I would appreciate most would just be acknowledgement that I went on a hard ride and though I might have lacked grace I did not sink, so now I'm on the beach feeling scraped up, and it would feel good to ... I dunno ... I think really all that's on my mind is that it would really be very comforting just to be greeted, today. (I'll be happy with "Hi".  :?)

I'll find my way back.

Hope that makes sense.
I'll be more coherent later...

love,
Hops



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Re: Being Present Today
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2007, 03:56:36 PM »
Dear Hops,
  Could you explain more how and what you are feeling.? These "bad" feelings could be an opportunity for you to heal some deeper issues. Just my thought.
  When I went through  my conflict with another poster  ,I learned more than 1000 posts of Atta- Boys.
   If it does not fit---------------------- compost heap is awaiting                               Love   Ami
« Last Edit: September 27, 2007, 04:03:58 PM by Ami »
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Re: Being Present Today
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2007, 03:59:45 PM »
Hey Hops.... I have just really enjoyed your posts lately.....

This too shall pass and you'll be feeling like your old self on the board soon.

Believe me, I know, lol.

Remember, it was just a disagreement, nobody died and you're welcome to share your feelings.

I got the same thing from Dr. G's request, that everyone just avoid the conflict and people they can't agree to disagree with.  Simple and makes sense.

::looking forward to Hops feeling better::




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Re: Being Present Today
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2007, 04:00:21 PM »
((((((((((((((((Hops))))))))))))))))  

Hi.

I not only can imagine, I am imagining... and feeling... and nightmaring.

It was very, very difficult to helplessly stand by and watch my sister be assaulted. That's how it felt.

Much love to you,

Carolyn

« Last Edit: September 27, 2007, 04:37:03 PM by Certain Hope »

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Re: Being Present Today
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2007, 04:52:07 PM »

Greetings from an old garden variety thinker toad,

Is it not possible for there to be unity in diversity?  Has that idea not been actively promoted here? 

Just asking...

Edit in:  Hops, my guess is that your bad feelings arise from  having experienced the birth of a vision (unity on VESMB) and the death of a vision (disunity/disharmony/schism on VESMB).  Now what?  Good question.  Maybe the answer is to sit a spell with what  Ami said:  These "bad" feelings could be an opportunity for you to heal some deeper issues.

Edit in:  Oh yes, I forgot Ami's last part, If it doesn't fit...................compost heap is awaiting   
                             
tt
« Last Edit: September 27, 2007, 05:13:25 PM by teartracks »

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Re: Being Present Today
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2007, 05:11:01 PM »
::patting hops on the back::

It's Ok Hops... it's Ok.

Posting about your feelings is what the board's for: )

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Re: Being Present Today
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2007, 05:28:28 PM »
Dear Hops,

Just wanted to send you a hug and let you know that I understand and am also saddened by everything that you and others have gone through in the past couple of days. 

You are a beautiful person and, IMO handled a very difficult situation with phenomenal kindness and grace.

I believe that everyone has a unique light:

Some sparkle with humor and wit
Some with raw intelligence
Some with courage and wisdom
Some with comfort and warmth
Some with deep compassion and empathy
Some with the ability to encourage
Some with the ability to energize
and so on.

Hops, from everything that you have written, I believe that your light contains each of these sparkles and more.  I am in awe and humbled by how brightly your light blazes. 

Through your posts to others and to me, your light has chased so much of the darkness of my past away from my spirit.  I don’t know if you realize, but your light has been like a soft gentle breath of air on a spark in my soul that was almost extinguished by the dark of my past.  Because of your willingness to share your light, my own has become brighter.  Because mine is brighter, I will be able to pass this gift to my children.  This is a phenomenal gift. You do this without asking for anything in return and for anyone who comes here - if they are willing to accept it.

Personally, I can’t thank you enough for being here.

Much love to you.
Peace 
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Re: Being Present Today
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2007, 05:51:51 PM »
TT inspired me on something.( compost is nearby)
Why is it necessary that we like or even resonate with everyone on the board?. I really am talking to myself here b/c I am trying to heal codependency . I see this as my next lesson.
  When I was at the gym today,I felt stressed as I always do(,in life.) I really had nothing in particular to  be stressed about .It is my general state. I asked my inner child WHY I was( and am). so stressed.
 My inner child told me that I was scurrying on the hamster wheel for the outside to tell me HOW I feel about myself  and WHO am I? IOW, I am defined by how you view me. I am waiting for you to tell me "You are.....nice, pretty,good friend, worthwhile, valuable , talented etc. Then,I can say," Yes,I am NOT what my M said I was". I am ALWAYS running away from what my M told me in ALL relationships and at ALL times.
  The WORST thing that I am trying desperately to run away from  is anger.  Anger feels like it annihilates me until I want to go in the corner in a "shame heap" So, I am the hamster scurrying trying to control all these parameters and particularly anger b/c I am  scared to death that I am REALLY what my M told me I was --- worthless .So, I have to make sure that you tell me that I am NOT all those things. I don't have the inner fortitude to love me DESPITE what you think. That is my goal. I want to be '" defined "regardless what you think or say.
No wonder I am tired. My older S said,"Mom, aren't you irritable and stressed a lot?" ---- "YES."
 I am holding the weight of the world (of how I feel about myself )on YOUR shoulders.
  Why does everyone here HAVE to like me.? As long as they are respectful, then why do I need "like"? Why do I need approval in everyday life,too.
 I have to function in certain ways to respect others. That is a requirement. However, the next level of like, friendship and love  does not have to be given to me by everyone. If I try to get it from everyone,I am sick--- like I am now------ BLEH
     Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Being Present Today
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2007, 06:05:49 PM »
Hiya Hops,

Thanks for this thread (and I'm sure it's well within the range of what's been requested of us).

I felt like I've been on a rough wagon ride over a chorduroy road when I woke up this morning and I can totally relate.  I felt like I still have more to say but had to let go of that idea so I didn't even try to post here.  I think it was being called an abusive venemous creature that did it for me.

The old....sticks and stones can break my bones but words will never hurt me ......doesn't ring true does it?

Words do hurt and can be used as weapons (my point re my basic belief that saying "I hate you" can be very damaging to a person, thus, I don't say that and take control of my mouth/fingys when I want to say such things.)  I believe it is wrong to allow myself that much freedom.  Especially when I own a set of perfectly good bongo drums.  I am in charge of what I say/post/do.

Anyhow, the majority wins and the majority of people here haven't called me that or anything near so I know to not take it to heart.  I also consider that words can say a lot more about those who use them, than the words themselves.  That's a sad thought too, actually.

Anyway, Hi, you're not alone.   It's ok to feel it all.  Who wouldn't?  One would have to be empty inside not to feel a bit blue/blaaazzay/blelch  after such an experience.

And then I do the double checking thingy on myself.  Should I have said/done this/that/the other?  Always questioning whether there might have been a better way (which it's too late now but I guess that's part of my learning experience).  I'm pretty well always sure I could have found better words.

I hardly think it would have made a difference though.  :(

Aw well.....life goes on eh?  Nobody died.




Ami, just reading your post. 

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I am the hamster scurrying trying to control all these parameters and particularly anger b/c I am  scared to death that I am REALLY what my M told me I was --- worthless



See my point?  See how your mother used words as a weapon on you?  See the harm it caused?
My point is not that we don't have feelings or shouldn't feel feelings.....it is how we choose to express feelings.

First:  I am so sorry that she said such an awful, cruel and totally untrue thing to you....about you!!

No one is worthless.

2nd:  Maybe it would help to take a different look at feelings, in general?  Aren't they just feelings?  Isn't anger just a feeling?  It doesn't define anyone or devalue anyone, does it?  Don't we choose how we express our feelings? (or not to express them?).  Isn't it just human to have feelings....including anger?  Betcha even hamsters can get mad!!  :)   The real question to ask yourself is:  Have I bitten anyone lately?  :P  To me, that's where I base my worth (not by some angry words from some other person).

I don't know if any of that makes sense or is helpful .....if not.....please toss it.

Sela

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Re: Being Present Today
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2007, 06:10:34 PM »
Sela - sending you lotsa hugs (and hopefully a smile) as well.

You are absolutely right, those hamsters do get mad.....

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Re: Being Present Today
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2007, 06:11:58 PM »
Thank you. Sela. No compost heap for you. I have always had pretty decent actions(generally). What I feel really shamed about is my feelings. My M really shamed me on my feelings b/c my actions have always been O.K.
  I am trying to rewrite the "script" on this and to believe  in my heart that feelings are neither  right nor wrong.
  They feel "wrong" to me and that I am a terrible person if I have "bad" feelings like not liking someone(I WONDER who?)
  I just want to heal these false beliefs and go on. Thanks for writing what you did. It helped    Love  Ami
« Last Edit: September 27, 2007, 06:17:30 PM by Ami »
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Re: Being Present Today
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2007, 06:16:27 PM »
Peace...

Those darn hamsters do get mad, lol.

And....

hear hear,

on your post to Hops.




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Re: Being Present Today
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2007, 06:30:20 PM »
Hops,

   I just wanted to give you that "Hi" and a (((   ))).

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Re: Being Present Today
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2007, 07:01:55 PM »
(((((((((((((((HOPS))))))))))))))))))))


I'm not sure I can follow.................
Was it some re Dr. G.?...................

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Re: Being Present Today
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2007, 08:31:45 PM »
i missed it too.  I have to say that I have too much conflict at work and I WILL NOT PUT UP WITH IT HERE!  I have hugs for you and want you to know I am sad that someone attacked you and Sela.
Kelly

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