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« on: May 14, 2004, 11:36:50 PM »
things are going well here on the whole, but I wanted to report back that I still suffer from these huge insecurity attacks, where I stop trusting people ( people who love me dearly ) and catastrophise and get into an emotional mess.

It's short-lived, a few hours here and there, but clearly there's stuff still coming out, I'm not quite whole.

I went too many years with no one to trust, no one consistent, and no one to put me first.

It still makes me weep to think of that young me, with no love and living in misery in what I make for mine the safest most supportive environment- so far from my own experience.

I feel better once a friend or my ex step in and remind me of all the good stuff and tell me to go easy on myself; but there's a part of me which is so messed up. It feels like that fragile part was smashed when I was a very young child, and there's no way to repair or rebuild it, so I built around it, but it's still there at the centre of me, all splintered and raw, and the strangest things reach in to it...

Having lots of happy times in between the anxiety attacks though.

H said tonight we're the best we've been in a decade- separate and together, and he's right.

He told me he's enjoying discovering himself, now the ads take the edge off the pain.

I'm enjoying him too, he's so much fun, and it's so totally new to have him be able to be himself: with faults, but always trying.

I love him dearly, the difference is now I set my own personal  boundaries and love does not sway them;
interestingly, he's learning to do the same, and many things I always got my own way in ( often from the moral high ground! ) are changing too.

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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2004, 02:37:15 AM »
Hello write.  Good to hear from you again.

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I still suffer from these huge insecurity attacks, where I stop trusting people ( people who love me dearly ) and catastrophise and get into an emotional mess.


Sounds like you are still on the path to self-discovery and there aint nothing wrong with that path.  

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It still makes me weep to think of that young me


Me too.  I turn mine into a ritual with candles and incense and healing music.  And treat my weeping-self to a bubble-bath.  Sometimes the tears fall onto the bubbles and then- woosh - the inner child emerges for a time and we commune.  For me, weeping is a portal into the fragile part and an opportunity to heal slowly but surely.  Hmmm...I get angry too sometimes and then the bubble-bath has to wait.   :wink:  

I believe it was you who validated some of my first postings on this board as my birthday was encroaching and N stuff was out in full force.  Birthday came and went and, boy, am I glad.  The good news is that I spent it with people.  Your words - short and sweet as well as that goal-setting site (that I printed out) really has been a big help to me.  Thanks.

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It feels like that fragile part was smashed when I was a very young child, and there's no way to repair or rebuild it, so I built around it, but it's still there at the centre of me, all splintered and raw, and the strangest things reach in to it...


Hey, I am glad that not everything reaches into it.  Whatever those strange things are, could they be turned into a vehicle for rebuilding the wholeness?  Just putting some things out.  

I just got this thought to recommend a book to you.  It is called Women Who Run With The Wolves.  I re-read parts of it often and find it to be incredibly healing.  It makes me weep but in a good way.  

I am glad to hear you are having lots of happy times too. :)
"No one's life is worth more than any other...no sister is less than any brother...."

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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2004, 09:05:01 AM »
thanks Dawning.

So much has changed, I guess I haven't fully caught up yet.

This is the first time I am a real grown-up, fully in charge of my own life, able to make good decisions.

I turn mine into a ritual with candles and incense and healing music. And treat my weeping-self to a bubble-bath. Sometimes the tears fall onto the bubbles and then- woosh - the inner child emerges for a time and we commune. For me, weeping is a portal into the fragile part and an opportunity to heal slowly but surely

ok I'll try this too,
'go out to meet' my grief.
I'll buy myself some nice candles and scented stuff and whenever I feel this way it'll be a special way to treat myself gently and take care of that unnurtured baby inside me.

It's interesting, my mother left us crying as babies, she said eventually we stopped crying altogether.
'Maternal deprivation' John Bowlby called it...
I wonder if this, the deepest trauma, doesn't go back to then.

i find myself thinking about this over and over lately.

I'll look for the book.

Thanks Dawning, you gave me a lot to think about.

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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2004, 09:58:32 AM »
Write,

About the book:

I found a link to some of the author's quotes at http://www.healingspacecoaching.com/estes.html awhile back and saved it.    I don't know anything about the person who put up the page or why he/she selected these quotes but I thought there were some good ones in there, especially at and towards the bottom of the page.  The person who made the page put her own coments in italics.

The author of the book is Clarissa Pinkola Estes.  She is a Jungian psychologist/storyteller.  Amazon carries alot of her stuff too.
"No one's life is worth more than any other...no sister is less than any brother...."

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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2004, 12:54:28 PM »
the connectedness of life is amazing isn't it.

A few weeks ago I spontaneously thought: there are some answers for me in Jungian psychology, though he's a writer I don't usually like because of his division of the sexes.

But reading I was so conscious of the absence of 'animus' in the way I see myself...I'll order the book today.

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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2004, 04:02:00 AM »
Hiya Write.

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But reading I was so conscious of the absence of 'animus' in the way I see myself...


YOU TOO, eh?  Wow, I have been wanting to discuss this with someone for quite a long time.  Journalled quite a bit about it.  I find that this thought of starved animus comes up with me regarding my blockage to instigating creativity on my own.  Even if I give myself permission - which I have - there is still a block.  I would love to hear stories and views on the subject.  Thanks so much for bringing this up write.

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It's interesting, my mother left us crying as babies, she said eventually we stopped crying altogether.


That is very sad.  The point at which you stopped crying as a baby was the giving in and the acceptance.  You didn't deserve to be ignored.  There is no doubt in my mind that babies can sense their parents unconditionally love/lack of it very accurately.  And they respond by giving in to what the parent(s) want - what choice did we have back when we were babies?  Just recently, I have felt for the first time the terror and fear of my baby-self crying in the middle of the night and sensing that my mother hated me for this.  Why wouldn't I just shut up??  (Because I was a baby, dam*it!)   And that just made me cry louder.  And hated more - for having a voice :?:   (I think eventually my grandmother came in to help.)  I have a sneaking supsicion that my sense is correct based upon her recent emails.  The phrase, "2am" keeps coming up.  She has advised me not to get pregnant cause you'll be woken up at 2am by a crying baby.  "How are you going to cope with that?," she said.  And when I told her that I took my cats outside for a breath of fresh air, she informed me that I didn't know what I was going to be in for because now the cats would be crying at 2am to go outside.  Well, they haven't been crying at all.   All of us have been sleeping perfectly fine.   :)  That is when it dawned on me that perhaps she strongly resented ME when I cried as a baby (when I used my voice)  and woke her up.  (how dare you) That is different, to me, then "hating IT" when I cried (as in "I hate it when I get interrupted.")   Anyway, the message my baby-me got was...mother's needs come first.  Unconditional love doesn't come in to this at all.  It is just not there.

I now carry around a picture of myself as a newborn.  (I am going to ask who took that photo.   :) )   And I always remind her that she had a beautiful voice even when crying.  Next step: the realization that - as a baby - I was crying for what I NEEDED and there was nothing wrong with that.  I was normal.  

I appreciate your post.  
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2004, 06:08:26 AM »
quite often the answer to something is bubbling up to the surface of the sub-conscious isn't it!

There's some writing about animus on http://stout.bravepages.com/h/anima.htm

I'm not sure I fully understand Jungian concepts in the same way as other models, I'm still learning and I don't agree with much of Jung I have to say.

But this animus thing, I know that there's something there...

Myself as a baby became very real for me after becoming a mother, when I realised that so many needs at that stage had been neglected...I felt very angry with my parents for a long time, I loved my own son so much.

My mother was very young and immature I suppose.
It's not that she made mistakes, it's that she didn't even try.
Oh well, she's dead now and I've come to a stage of peace about her, as much as I can.
But part of me still can't accept that someone would neglect a baby, I can understand occasional abberations or mistakes, but to choose to be cold and harsh...

I'll try some visualisation stuff about myself as a baby too, I suspect there's still a crying baby somewhere within me.

Thanks Dawning.