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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2007, 12:23:58 PM »
Ami,

I know that is definitely true.  Deep down, I think I'm all of those things my mother told me:

cold, selfish, distant, arrogant, uncaring, etc.

Deep down I don't think I"m worthy of love.

I write about those feelings a lot in my fiction stories.
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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2007, 12:26:01 PM »
Tay,
I didn't mean she IS happy you moved, but she will SAY she is happy. Otherwise she has to admit she was mean and selfish. My mother does this double-faced thing too - she tells me it is responsible and mature to not drink, and then runs to other people and says she just can't imagine what's wrong with me that I had to stop... Your mom gets more attention by saying she is happy you moved out instead of the questions about why you did if she lamented about it.
Sounds like you have a good day planned!!!!!
Enjoy!
Love, Beth
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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2007, 02:50:00 PM »
Dear Tayana,
  I am" birthing" this really deep insight.I think that it is at the bottom of my emotional problems.
  This is what it is.There can be only ONE of two realities that is true. They are OPPOSITE  realities  so they BOTH cannot be true.
  One is that I cannot trust my perceptions. I don't deserve simple respect.I don't deserve to be a person of dignity and integrity.I can't do "anything" right. Even if I did it right,I did not do it fast enough or well enough.
 My value is in how I can please others and "not make them mad".
 What I should do is punish myself for all the trouble I am and annoyance I cause. I can "act" like I am O.K.,but I better not believe it down deep and feel "too good" about myself.
    The other reality is that I have a "gut" that can tell me about life and that I can trust.I have inherent value.. I can trust that still small voice,inside. I can trust my feelings. I can trust my' core". I can feel my feelings. I can know that whatever I feel is just human and not "bad".I can trust my thoughts.Whatever I think is just 'human"
I can protect myself. I can stand up . I can tell someone to stop hurting me. I can see WHEN they are hurting me. I have a place of value on this earth.
   Either the first OR the second is true . Both cannot be true. Also, you can't pick a few from one and a few from the other.
  IF the second one is true THEN MY MOTHER IS CRAZY. That is what I don't want to face. That is what I faced today.                                                Love    Ami
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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2007, 03:02:15 PM »
Ami,

I have very similar thoughts about not deserving respect, dignity and integrity.

My T makes me work on this.  I'm supposed to counter each negative thought with something positive. 

So when I think I can't do anything right, then I'm supposed to think of something that is right, that I've done well and remind myself of it.

I can do this, but usually not until after I calm down from a panic attack or whatever.  I can't do it right after talking with my mom.

My son just told me he's expecting a friend tomorrow, and I got this horrible panicked feeling.  My house isn't clean.  I'm going to have laundry everywhere.  What do I do with the dog, etc.  My son told me about the visit in  rather "oh by the way" tone, which upset me, but then I thought what is the big deal?  A 10 year old isn't going to care about my messy house, and it's not that messy, really.  I just need to wipe the counters off and things like that.  I think I'll go out and clean up my patio  little in case the kids want to play out there.  But I have to consciously tell myself, "There is no big deal here.  Just Michael having a friend over.  This is a good thing, not a bad thing.  There's no reason to get upset or panicked over this."

It's really hard for me.  Sometimes I just get that choking panicked feeling, and I don't really know what it is I'm feeling, so I have to step back and look at it.

My mother is crazy.  I can admit it.  I have to accept that I'm unlikely to ever have her approval.  I don't really care if I ever talk to her again, right now.  I cringe when my phone rings because I'm afraid it'll be her.  I'm having to consciously think, "Why do I care?  What does it matter if I answer the phone or not?"
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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2007, 03:05:46 PM »
Tayana,
  The kid is fine. Just don't let the mother in the house.                       Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2007, 03:10:01 PM »
Oh, good point!
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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2007, 03:22:00 PM »
Dear Tayana,
 Just kidding . Seriously, though, kids never notice or care about houses. Kids remember how much kindness and warmth were in the house.
  The thing that really hit me in the heart about my M is that IF she is crazy THEN I can trust myself. I think that it was a heart revelation. They say that the "longest distance" is between the head and the heart.
 If we knew all that we knew in the" head"--- in the heart, we would be healthy.
 Today I called home. I wanted to talk to my F. I used to hang up when my M answered but my F told me that they had caller I.D. I figured that they were so "low tech" that they never knew that I was calling .
  Anyway, she was in a therapy session with a client. What is really funny is that she always answers the phone( even for sales calls) WHILE she is in the session.
   It cracks me up.
  Anyway , we, as  abused children, have to see (with the heart) that since they ARE  crazy, everything that they told us about ourselves is crazy, too.                                        Love    Ami
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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2007, 04:47:02 PM »
I'm starting to get that sick, panicky feeling again, and I don't really know why.  I am afraid of the phone, for one, I'm afraid my mom will call.  I don't want to talk to her.

So far today I've done a combination of relaxing and work.  It's been nice, and I've been mostly relaxed.  I've been letting M just play, make a mess in the living room and watch TV since he hasn't really seen TV all week.  Maybe I should be doing something with more "togetherness" but I think this is working for both of us. 

I just have this sick, panicky feeling, and I can't get rid of it.  I guess I'm feeling hurt.  For once though, I don't feel guilty.  Just hurt a little afraid.

Ami, it's just wrong that you mom answers the phone in a session.  That's not right at all.  I'm glad she's not my T.

I like what you said about knowing what we know in the head in the heart as well.  I have problems with that.  I know things, like I know my mom is verbally and emotionally abusive, but I still make excuses for her.  That's not right.  I guess I just have to learn these things in my heart as well my mind.
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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2007, 05:13:36 PM »
Dear Tayana,
  I have a very important thing to say to you   .IME, there is no way to heal from our type of M without going through MANY physical AND emotional "symptoms". It is very scary. I was dizzy for 6 weeks. I felt like I was going to pass out.I didn't even want to drive or take a shower  b/c of it..
  When I was facing the deep truths,I had these strong symptoms. My F helped me through. He kept telling me that I was doing great and that these symptoms were just denial "breaking".
  Bella and Janet helped me through it b/c they had gone through similar things.
   If you are feeling panicky ,these are just buried emotions trying to "tell" you something. As you heal, they will tell you what you need to know.. Then, the symptoms will go away.
  The reason many people do not have a deep healing is b/c they are afraid of the "symptoms". They will not hurt you.I promise.
  It is helpful to have someone to call. You have us on the board.,of course.
  Tayana, you will prevail if you keep going step by step. Our only "real" problem is that we bought ALL their lies. We have to let them go little by little b/c it is very" jarring "to our system to change.
 Step by step ,you will replace the lies with the truth. The truth is that you have inherent value and worth. Anything else is a lie.  Keep sharing every step of the way.                Love  Ami
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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2007, 06:53:28 AM »
Hi Tay,

This is a really big solid truth, I believe, and I think it would help you so much if you focused on this fact.

I am afraid of the phone

What if you just challenge THAT?

Take a break from all the analysing and just ask your smart self, how can I challenge THAT?

What right does a little electric box with a noisemaker in it have to destroy your serenity and peace?
Why do you belong to it, instead of it belonging to you?

Why is there no Ringer Off switch on your phone?

I know people who have unplugged their phones and put them in the closet.

WHAT GIVES YOUR MOTHER THE RIGHT TO WALK INTO YOUR PRIVACY?
THE PRIVACY BETWEEN YOUR EARS?
TO COME OVER UNANNOUNCED?
TO COME OVER AND "TAKE" YOUR SON ANYWHERE, EVER, AGAINST YOUR WISHES?

I am really asking, WHO gives her the right?

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

love to you,
Hops
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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2007, 07:54:55 AM »
I think the panicky feeling is the part of us that worries about dealing with any emotional fallout we usually deal with.

It starts reacting before the other parts of our brain do.

It's the part of us that feels guilty or shamed or like we have to tap dance and jump out of an airplane to please some unpleasable person.

It just starts racing around in our heads trying to problem solve and, there is no solution, of course.

So...... turning off the ringer and dealing with that panic feeling sounds like a better idea than answering the phone and trying to deal with irrational blaming and shaming from the person causing the panic.

You can't make her happy.... one person can never make 2 people happy.

On the other hand...... one person can make 2 (or 3 or 6 or 10) people miserable.

I think that's the case here.  It's no mystery.  The family's secret is out.  No one died.  You're in your own safe little nest.

How do you make it safer and more secure for yourself?

You've stood your ground, yet again. (read that as you've not snapped to attention and done as you were instructed)

Things will get worse.  Be prepared and have a plan, mantra something to think about and offset the emotional terrorism you know will come your way.

I vote unplugging phone...... and checking out great jobs in a State you know you love: )




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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2007, 10:49:56 AM »
The phone never rang last night, and I didn't get called this morning to get me out of bed. As I was going to sleep last night, I got to thinking.  If she calls me this weekend and starts in with her . . .

"I've been sick and it's all your fault.  You won't let me talk to M.  You're trying to keep M away from me." 

nonsense.  I'm going to reply with the following:

"I'm not going to speak to you or visit unless you treat me as an adult capable of making adult decisions.  I'm not going to be your whipping girl anymore.  If M asks, he is free to call you, but I'm not going to put up with your abuse anymore.  Goodbye."

I don't feel great about this decision this morning.  I have that sick panicky feeling about it, but I shouldn't have to live in fear.  This is my home, not hers, and I'm tired of being treated this way.
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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2007, 10:54:41 AM »
Dear Tayana,
  It is a dance with the Devil--isn't it?                                                   BLEH    Ami
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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2007, 10:55:49 AM »
Ami,

Yes, it is.  Isn't it amazing how something so silly can make us feel so bad?
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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2007, 04:49:26 PM »
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My T says I give my mother too much power over me, only I don't know how to stop doing that.

Tayana - Don't give up. Your are making extraordinary progress but you are not seeing the rewards.  You will if you continue what you are doing. 

I have made tremendous progress and in the past year I really got to the roots of my great disfunction.  I have come very close to taking back my power.  I don't believe there is only one way to do so.  I am convinced that it is a different path for each of us but there may be many common paths and common turns along similar journeys.  My path has been very convoluted.  At times I have "divorced" myself and refused to have contact at other times I have needed her, needed someone to be there for me and have tried to get what I knew she would not, in fact, could not give.  The pain of that grief is something I had to work through more than once and each time I found myself back to needing her I felt utter crushed, devasted.  The failing was indescribably hopeless.  But I have never given up. 

Part of my process, for several years, has been working on forgiveness right along with distancing myself.  The true gift of forgiveness is not "letting her off the hook" but it is letting me off the emotional hook.  For me, forgiving my mother has NEVER been a one time, one sentence action but has been a lengthy, determined process.  Determined because I saw that for me, it was precisely the way to get past needing her and precisely the way to get my power back from her.  As long as I feel rage towards her for her utter lacking in the ways that every child needs from a mother, then I was bound to her.  I can not say that I am completely free of that but I am very close, close enough to now see her as a child in need of mothering from me.  I am not committing to doing ANYTHING for her because I just got out of that role.  I am merely seeing her in my minds eye as a child who did not get what she needed and seeing her with compassion.  The more distance I have the easier it is for me. 

Without question the thing that clicked with me to make this possible is that finally after years of trying to get some connection with either of my brothers concerning our parents, this summer my oldest brother told me that I needed to extricate myself from  her and then he helped me do that.  I am eternally thankful.

I am absolutely not telling you how to get your power back but I am telling you to NEVER  give up and I am saying that even if you cannot see where you are going keep taking one step after another.  Often in hindsight you can see what works and what doesn't and just keep repeating what does.  Most of all - believe - develop confidence that you will indeed get your power back, whether you know how or not - believe that you will.  I believe you will.  I am cheering for you. 

One of the things that has made it difficult for me is that I got caught in a place of feeling sorry for myself.  I was in a terrible place with parents and family who were not the least interested in helping me and I could not get myself out and could not find anyone to help.  The problem for me in feeling sorry for myself is that I felt helpless without someone to help me, I felt incapable of helping myself.  But that was not true.  My biggest battle has been overcoming the shame and the sense of utter inadequacy and undeserving.  Unfortunately much of those self-sabotaging feelings were powerfully unconscious and I had NO access to them to counter them - plus everything in my life seemed to confirm and magnify those aspects of my life.  But I am learning to turn all of that around.  A big part of that is addressing the anxiety, the overwhelming fear that I am a failure and will always be a failure and cannot turn my life around.  And now I am addressing the falsehood of those lessons learned from my family in early, early childhood.

I needed them and they turned their backs to me and in some ways spit in my face.  That is hard to get over and come back from but we can do it.  Just keep believing you can do it and keep your eyes open for philosophies that you connect with and find others here or elsewhere that hold those same philosophies and don't stray from them unless you become certain that they are not for you.  Never, ever give up.  You can do it.  You can get your power back from her.  You can do it.