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The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« on: October 12, 2007, 08:32:21 AM »
Well, I called in sick since I have no childcare today.  In the future, I will always plan on M going to daycare all day, rather than depending on my mom.  Or I will make arrangements with my sister in law.  M has no school several days next month.

Right now, me and the dog are laying on the bed enjoying the quiet.  M is still asleep. 

I'm calling this a sanity day.

I half expect my mom to show up this morning to take M with her.  Without calling or what have you, just because that's the way she is.  And she'd pretend that nothing ever happened.

Sick woman. 
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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2007, 08:38:26 AM »
Dear Tayana,
  I don't know if this will be helpful or germane to your issues. I am trying to get to the "root " of why my M is still in my 'head"even though she is "destroying me.I am allowing 'her" to stay there and I am marching to her silent orders.
 I am in the process of "exorcising" her. I am trying to face the truth of MY need for her .What am I gaining by still meaching to her drummer?
   For me, this is my next 'track". Maybe, you are different in many ways than I am( about this). I am just sharing where I am.
  Love and Hugs  to you , Ami
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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2007, 09:05:01 AM »

Dear Ami,

If it is of any help or consolation, it took a long time to clear out 'mom' from my head.

Of course, each person is an individual, whilst a similar experience has been endured, there can be no set timescale.

Be assured; healing and 'clearout' does come!

Finally, it has happened for me.

Be gentle with yourself, take one step at a time, and give yourself a little treat.

Love & warm wishes,

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2007, 09:16:04 AM »
Hey Ami . . .

I understand what you're saying. I understand exactly.  My T says I give my mother too much power over me, only I don't know how to stop doing that.  I find myself doing passive-aggressive things because I know she wouldn't approve.  This morning, although I'm rather enjoying having a sanity day, I've got this little fear that she's going to show up without calling, even though she said she wouldn't.

At this point, I don't want to see or talk to her.  I don't intend to call her, visit, or establish any communication.  I didn't do anything wrong.  I didn't deserve the treatment I got yesterday.  It was irrational and mean. 

Talking to my brother and sister-in-law last night, my brother agreed with me.  My sister-in-law told me that my mom had told her that she thought I made the right decision in moving.  I was flabbergasted, because not once, has she expressed anything similar to me or any other member of my family.  In fact she told me I had ripped M away from her.  That tells me she's still reeling from the move itself.  My son's pediatrician even told me this was an excellent move because I needed one parent, not three.  I told my brother that it makes me angry that my mom goes on and on about how she never sees M, but when he's out there she doesn't really do anything with him.  Mostly he does what he wants and my mom sits in her chair covered with a blanket.  my parents don't do anything special, and if my mom does try something, then she complains about the expense.  Or because M was over-excited.  Or whatever.

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What am I gaining by still meaching to her drummer?

When we can answer that question, then I think we can start healing. I don't think we're gaining anything.  I think, at least for myself, that there's a lot of fear of being alone, being abandoned, being successful, etc.  I think it's a way to hold myself back.

A long time ago, I wanted to be a counselor.  I wanted to work with trauma victims.  When I told my mother she said, "You don't want to do that.  You don't want to listen to other people's problems all day."  I didn't pursue that course, although now, after M's problems and mine, I would like to pursue this course.  I was thinking thought that maybe the real reason she didn't want me to go into that field is because she was afraid I'd realize just how dysfuctional my family really is.

I'm reading "An Adult Child's Guide to What's Normal."  I really like this book.  The first chapter lists traits of people on the road to recovery.  My favorite is:

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Some of us were spoiled and mothered out of misguided love; seduced to stay in the nest years after our friends had gone out into the world and begun their adult lives.  We have finally cut the cord even though it was painful, and we now welcome the responsibilites and rights that come with growing up.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2007, 09:30:53 AM »
Dear Tayana,
  I am glad that you  "resonated "with my post.I was reluctant to write it b/c if the person is not looking in that direction, they can get really angry at the messenger(me)
  I don't know if you read any of Shunned's(Amber) threads. She has been very,very helpful to me. The inner child connection(our core self) is the key for me finding the answers that I need to be whole.
 My goal and greatest desire in life is to be whole.I was thinking ,last night, about a great relationship with a man. i would want one,of course,but I want to be whole within myself so,so,so much more than anything else.
  I feel happy that I have honed my goal down.It feels better b/c I know that the problem AND the solution is within me.
  i need some help in the area of female friends. Maybe I will simply" fail my way to success".. I see that codependency simply does  not work. It is a HUGE lie. Most of society has bought in to it. There are so many lies simply in society.
  Caroline Myss talks about  needing to reflect on what you will and will not allow to define you.She is talking about this,I think
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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2007, 09:42:49 AM »
Ami,

I know if I read any of Shunned's posts, but I think I did read a few.  I've been reading a lot of the articles that are being posted.  I just haven't been commenting much.  I've been keeping a sort of "Therapy" journal on my blog, posting my feelings and then working through countering the negativity.

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My goal and greatest desire in life is to be whole.I was thinking ,last night, about a great relationship with a man. i would want one,of course,but I want to be whole within myself so,so,so much more than anything else.

I understand this goal, and I've always wanted to have a relationship I felt loved and cherished and I didn't always have to be "on."  I wanted someone who could accept me like I was, without conditions and without forcing me to change.  Those are things my family has done to me, and I don't like it.  Not long after I moved, I realized I'm just not at the stage of my life where I'm ready for a relationship.  Friendship, yes, anything more no.  I don't really know what my goal is now.  So much of my life is spent just surviving and getting through the day, that I forget what my goals are.  I've been going to write them down, write down each little step to get to the big goal, and I haven't done that yet.

I don't really know what I'm trying to say here.  I"m just rambling.  I've done some of the exercises in the books I've read.  I think this one is from the controlling parents book.  I just read through it and realized I"ve rather fallen off track and it's time to get back on track.  I'll post my answers here, maybe you could try this.  It helps to put things in perspective, I think.

Sorry, if I'm not being much help here.

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I am not responsible . . . .

For my mother's rages and unpredictable behavior.
For my feeling unloved.
For my feeling worthless.
For my mother's financial irresponsibility.
Her problems
Their happiness.
Their anger.
Their pain.
Their suffering.
For helping my mother heal.
My mother's abusive childhood.
For making my mother fat.
Making her miserable.
Stealing her life and dreams.
For my dad not standing up to her.

I am angry because. . . . .

I never felt loved.
No one ever listened to me.
I was never good enough.
I was never pretty enough.
Nothing I did was ever right.
Mom stole money and credit from me.
She never apologized.
She lied about doing it.
She tried to cover everything up.
She would have let me be arrested or my wages garnished without explanation.
I was never perfect.
My grades were never good enough.
No one believed in me.
No one encouraged my interests and hobbies, or they did, but support came with strings.
She never loved me without conditions.
She doesn't respect my boundaries.
She tells my son lies about things I've said or done.
She tells my son I will do things to him like abandon him.
My father let her get away with it.
My father watched.
My father knew what she was doing and never said anything.
We never talked.  We were expected to stay silent.
I never had a voice.  I was always too young to understand.
I still feel worthless and unloved.
She thinks I'm a terrible parent.
I was kept isolated.
She criticized everything I did and I always came up short.
No one ever made her get help.

I will no longer . . . .

Allow my mother to control my life.
Let my mother talk me into decisions that feel wrong.
Listen to my mother's lies.
Live in silence.
Be trapped in a prison of her making.
Let my mother tell me how to raise my son
Let my parents treat me like a child.  I am an adult.  I can make adult decisions.
Allow my mother steal from me.  She will no longer steal money, credit or happiness from me.


I am grieving because I never had the family dynamic I wanted.  I loved my father.  He was always a gentle, steady presence.  He was always there for me, but he still let my mom say and do things to me she should never have done.  I am grieving because I will never have the relationship with my mother that I always wanted.  We will never be close, never share secrets, never sit and talk about life.  I am letting go of the fantasy I have held onto that one day I would have that relationship. I am accepting the reality that we will never be friends.  I am letting go of my fantasies.  I am absolving myself of the guilt I feel, because I was not responsible for their actions or their hurtful words.  May these illusions rest in peace.

As an adult, in my relationship with my parents, I am responsible for . . .

becoming a separate individual from them. 
looking honestly at my relationship with them.
facing the truth about my childhood.
having the courage to acknowledge the connections between events of my childhood and my childhood and my adult life.
gaining the courage to express my real feelings to them.
confronting and diminishing the power and control that they have over my life.
changing my own behavior when it is cruel, hurtful, critical, or manipulative.
finding the appropriate resources to help me heal my inner child.
reclaiming my adult power and confidence.

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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2007, 09:49:04 AM »
Dear Tayana,
  How did you feel as you wrote these? How did you feel after?                       Ami
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2007, 10:00:10 AM »
There was a sense of shock, especially for the anger list.  I don't register these things as anger.  Instead I feel depressed and anxious.  I didn't know how angry I really was.  Knowing this has led to a lot of anger at myself.

Afterwards, There was some relief, but overall I just felt sad.  I was sad because people always thought I had such a great family.  They didn't know the truth.  My mom in particular  presented this "perfect" front to everyone, then complained about them behind their back.

It was unhealthy, and I just sort of learned to fade into the background.  I think I was a Lost Child.  I was the dependable one, the responsible one, the one everyone could count on to do the right thing.  I wasn't really compliant, because I did things just because my mother didn't did things that way.  So I had a real rebellious streak, and I still do.  A lot of the things I do now are rebellion because she tells me she wants me to do something, and I don't want to.

I've been very anxious this morning because I was afraid my mom would show up unannounced.  I don't like when she does that, but she didn't.  I'm supposed to be at work right now, and she's not likely to call or come.  So I feel a little more relaxed.

See, I did the exercise, but I haven't really put the last part of it in play, that's what I have to work on.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2007, 10:13:45 AM »
Dear Tayana,
   Scott Peck say that we are buried under lies(in so many words). When he works with a patient ,he takes them back to that first foundational lie.
After Peck  goes back and uncovers all the lies and distortions, the person is well.
 It hurts and it is slow,but it brings many rewards even while we are on the "painful " path.
 Keep sharing the nooks and crannies of your  journey,Tayana.                   Love    Ami
 
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2007, 10:22:32 AM »
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Allow my mother to control my life.
Let my mother talk me into decisions that feel wrong.
Listen to my mother's lies.
Live in silence.
Be trapped in a prison of her making.
Let my mother tell me how to raise my son
Let my parents treat me like a child.  I am an adult.  I can make adult decisions.
Allow my mother steal from me.  She will no longer steal money, credit or happiness from me.

These are SOOOOOO important, Tayana. Add to the list - Let my mother influence my son.

I am not surprised your mother told people she is glad you moved. I would bet she said she was tired of dealing with you.

I really hope you can break contact with this toxic, wretched woman. She is out to do you harm.

Enjoy your day. You deserve it!!!
Love, Beth

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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2007, 10:54:15 AM »
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Allow my mother to control my life.
Let my mother talk me into decisions that feel wrong.
Listen to my mother's lies.
Live in silence.
Be trapped in a prison of her making.
Let my mother tell me how to raise my son
Let my parents treat me like a child.  I am an adult.  I can make adult decisions.
Allow my mother steal from me.  She will no longer steal money, credit or happiness from me.

These are SOOOOOO important, Tayana. Add to the list - Let my mother influence my son.

I am not surprised your mother told people she is glad you moved. I would bet she said she was tired of dealing with you.

I really hope you can break contact with this toxic, wretched woman. She is out to do you harm.

Enjoy your day. You deserve it!!!
Love, Beth




Tayana,

You have my sincerest empathy for my mother must be either a relative of yours, or had been cloned!

It turned out that my mother had played a part in stirring up dissention in the rural area in which I chose to live away from her some years previous, but she moved to live nearby some 2 years ago.  My mother is the underlying reason behind my neighbour's behaviour. 
Which is why he called me a liar and a psycho bitch .......... he needs to get in his car and travel 6 miles to find the actual person he described.

My mother managed to spoil, this year, my peaceful haven in the countryside.

Your writings here on this post could well be mine.

Don't ever let her have control of your son ....... I implore you. 

She took over my son.

To this day my heart breaks over that part of my life.

My evil mother has my forgiveness, genuinely, as I know her motivation, and with true compassion and genuineness, I have pity for her soul.

But thus far, I have no mother, I have divorced myself from her, and no contact is necessary for my heart and my soul.

Leah x


Edit:  the use of the term "evil" was not chosen lightly, rather it was chosen in evidence of her toxic; lying, scheming, manipulative, devious, and even dangerous; behavioural track record to present day, with the purpose of creating utter misery, and ultimately, destroying lives.

Have gathered several harrowing life testimonies during the last twelve months, all of which I can add to my own life story for personal validation.

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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2007, 11:25:02 AM »
Dear Leah,
  Can you tel me what you mean by "evil"? Also, how did you arrive at your conclusion to divorce her? How did you feel when you did it?A sense  of peace or anguish?
  I am having little 'prickles" of the truth of my M coming in and I feel like I am very close to facing what I have been running away from for a lifetime( and paying for it with emotional and physical illness)BLEH
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2007, 11:43:19 AM »

Hi Ami,

I think I ought to answer your question(s) on a new topic created for that purpose, in respect of Tayana's posting.

Which I will do in a short while.

But very quickly, with regard to your comment "(and paying for it with emotional and physical illness)" 

It is only during these last few months that it has been highlighted to me/ become known, that that is exactly why throughout my life I have been ill with one virus after another, cumulating in my thyroid being run down, and on top of which, a serve virus infection which had an effect on my heart.

Will post on a new topic shortly.

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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2007, 12:09:21 PM »
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I am not surprised your mother told people she is glad you moved. I would bet she said she was tired of dealing with you.

Beth, I don't think she's really glad, after all, now she can't control me.  I can make my own decisions regarding what we eat, do.  How we live?  How much tension is in my house, etc.  I was reading about crisis addiction the other day, and I think my mom is addicted to that.  When things are going well, she starts something like this to stir up trouble.  I am very angry over this latest "stunt," and I can only call it that.  I don't intend to contact her.

I really expected to get up this morning feeling down and depressed, instead, I've felt pretty energized.  M didn't wake up until late, which I expected because he was pretty pooped from camp.  I'm sitting around in my sweats, trying to decide what I want to do today.  So far, I"ve emptied and unloaded the dishwasher, got some bread going in my bread machine.  I think I might make some chicken for supper tonight.  I'm trying to decide if I want to spend the day posting auctions, or if I want to do some cleaning.  I'm leaning towards the first, and maybe finish washing up the wool sweaters I'd brought home since it's starting to get cold here.  I think I might bake something sweet too, maybe cookies, that could be a lot of fun.  I think I'm going to work on my budget some too.  I noticed my bank account is looking a bit ill.  I need to look at my purchases and analyze what I'm wasting money on.

I'm sure tomorrow, I'll start to feel anxious though because my mother will likely call after two days of no contact.  She routinely calls every night, and I'm anxious and irritable until her call is over.

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My evil mother has my forgiveness, genuinely, as I know her motivation and with true compassion pity her soul.

But thus far, I have no mother, I have divorced myself from her, and no contact is necessary for my heart and my soul.

Leah, I dearly, dearly want to go completely no contact.  I'm not sure how possible this will be without me moving to another state where phone calls and visits are simply not possible.  I came very close to calling my father yesterday and telling him I was done, this was the last straw.  I hadn't done anything wrong, and I didn't intend to be punished for something stupid. 

As far as forgiveness, I'm not sure that can really happen.  I know a lot of therapists talk about forgiveness, but I'm definitely not there.  I'm really angry, and I really hate the woman for what she's done to me.  The hurt may be too deep for forgiveness to happen.

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"(and paying for it with emotional and physical illness)" 

Ami and Leah, I suffer from constant, intense low level depression.  It's not so bad that I can't function, though there are days that are that bad.  I also suffer from serious anxiety, enough that I'm going to see a doctor about it.  Living with my mom caused: a weakened immune system, serious gastro-intestinal issues, chest pain, panic attacks, headaches, a constant and unrelenting cloud of despair around me all the time, periods of weight gain, followed by periods of weight loss, compulsive eating, compulsive spending.  I started spending money to make myself feel better.

Moving has alleviated a lot of the gastro issues.  I still have some mild symptoms, but they are mild enough I can take an over the counter drug and I can control the rest with diet and exercise.  I do still get occaisional headaches, but not like before.  My immune system seems to be recovering, and if I can avoid contact that feeling of black despair no longer exists.

That was the price I paid for trying to live like my mom wanted.  At one point I really thought I was going to die I was so sick.  I even told a friend that I felt like I was dying.  I was having anxiety symptoms so bad that I thought I would have an emotional breakdown.  That was when I was I started realizing something had to change.  First it was my job, because my old one was causing too much stress, and then my living situation.

I do still have the anxiety and depression problems, but I'm working on those.  I really want to have a GOOD life, not a PERFECT one.
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Re: The saga of my life, continued from yesterday
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2007, 12:19:36 PM »
Dear Tayana,
  Something just "hit' me so I will share it with you. I think that our problem ( and it is part of our staying hooked up to them) is that we BELIEVE them. Down deep in that wordless place inside we believe that  ALL  they told us about ourselves is true.    BLEH( doubled)                                  Ami
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