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Don't think I handled that too well . . .
« on: October 21, 2007, 11:55:26 PM »
M smacked his hand on the door jamb tonight.  I know it hurts.  I've done it several times.  Apparently, he smacked it right on the nerve, so it did really hurt and it went numb. 

M has a very low pain tolerance.  Things most kids laugh off, send him into a full scale panic attack.  So he had a major panic attack.  I was in the shower when this happened.  So I hurriedly got dried off and dressed, just in case the neighbors came to check out what was going on.  I tried to look at it, but he wouldn't let me.   I'm trying to get him calmed down, but he's not listening.  He won't breathe, won't take a deep breath.  I got him an ice  pack, but that just make it hurt more.  Finally, I got him calmed down enough for a bath.   I kept trying to sympathize, but it wasn't working, because even though I know it hurt.  I don't think it was that bad.   I know he feels pain differently, but I was really close to losing it.  Not to mention I had cramps so bad I could barely stand upright, and I was starting to feel like I was going to pass out.

Finally, I got him in bed and some Tylenol down him.  I didn't scream at him.  I explained that screaming wasn't going to make it feel better, that it just made me feel like screaming.  He laid down in bed, then decide he was hungry, so he had some popcorn, then it was back to bed.  He's finally calmed down, though not asleep, and I finally got to lay down with my heating pad.

No, I don't think that was one of my better moments of motherhood.
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Re: Don't think I handled that too well . . .
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2007, 06:44:30 AM »
Tayana-

What a tough experience. You were there for your child during a prolonged period of stress and pain, and tended to his needs even though you were hurting yourself. This is what a true mother does. You are a wonderful mom!

But the Pig Parent voice has to go- whatever says that you are no good, etc in your head is lying, and you prove that every day. So ignore that brainwashing and programming and get on with living and loving- you are a courageous loving person and mom and deserve respect and kudos!!!!

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Re: Don't think I handled that too well . . .
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2007, 06:59:26 AM »
I'm trying to think how I'd handle it any better..... any differently.

What could you do?

Feel differently about it?

Would that make you a better mother?

It sounds like you did exactly what you needed to do, for as long as you needed to do it.

Sometimes I raise my voice out of frustration.

Especially when I'm in distress and pain. 

Tay.... you didn't handle that well.

OK?

You handled it great.

This was a very frustrating situation..... and being frustrated means you're pretty normal.

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Re: Don't think I handled that too well . . .
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2007, 08:03:49 AM »
Dear Tayana,
  I think that this is an instance when you judged your "performance" by your M's voice in your head. I do it all the time. I am trying to 'notice" it and stop it. My M's voice is like  elevator music in my head always telling me that I am selfish,ungrateful, don't measure up, don't know how to handle things,am incompetent, don't deserve  anything etc etc.
  I think that you handled the situation very well. I think that your M's voice in your head was judging your THOUGHTS-- not your actions.
   I really am an ethical person who tries to do the right thing. However,my M's voice will ALWAYS tell me that I had the WRONG thoughts so I was bad. I think that this happened to you,tonight.Compost what does not fit.
 M sounds very,very challenging,Tayana( to any mother)              Love   Ami

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Re: Don't think I handled that too well . . .
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2007, 08:28:53 AM »
Dear Tayana,
I think you did what any mother would do... If my kids are yelling/crying out of pain, I hold them... but, truthfully, if it goes on beyond that, I am quite firm and tell them to collect themselves. They do need to learn to do that to become self-sufficient.
I agree that you are probably criticizing yourslef from your mom's perception.
Give yourself a break, girl.
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Re: Don't think I handled that too well . . .
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2007, 08:38:39 AM »
Tay, hon...
Yo Mama's voice has whittled away at your self-esteem until you're in some danger of believing her.
But I believe in you.

Is there some part of you that recognized you really had done it well, when you posted this story here?

I hope so. Because it's obvious to me.

There is no perfect way to be M's mother!!!!!!!!!!

But stepping back from his toxic, toxic grandmother and claiming your own turf both as his mother and as a human being has been a hell of a start. Good going, keep going, this is NORMAL to have grand moments and tough moments and fun moments and blah moments.

We need an objective observer. I've got it.
Go ask Hammy how you did. She knows The Truth.

love!!
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Re: Don't think I handled that too well . . .
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2007, 08:43:07 AM »
((((((Tayana))))) I hope you and M both feel better today. I think that you've done so very well to bear up under all that stress and just be there for your son. Seems to me that our children often judge the severity of illnesses and injuries like that by our reactions, so we sure don't want to overemphasize the fairly minor stuff, you know? That wouldn't do anyone any good. The more nervous and anxious we get, they pick up on it and pretty soon everyone's spiralling outta control. Nipping that spiral in the bud is definitely the way to go, imo.

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Re: Don't think I handled that too well . . .
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2007, 09:54:19 AM »
Tayana,

When a kid loses it...a kid loses it.  Period.  I go through these episodes at least once a week (four kids under the age of 10).  His hand is hurting but he is also learning how to handle his pain.  Lots going on there.  You were patient.....you tried all the obvious solutions.  You calmed him with tylenol and calm assertive voice and all while nursing your own pain. Which by itself makes you a super hero.  :)  I have been there too....(back when my body wouldn't work, I did a lot of parenting from the floor. :)  But we made it through.)  In the end, your son had to work it out.  And you helped him do that.

YOU ARE WONDERFUL!  And you did the best that this situation would allow.  And that IS absolutely enough!   Perfection is in the process!  Much love to you.

Poppy
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Re: Don't think I handled that too well . . .
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2007, 10:05:18 AM »
THanks for the encouragement.  I don't know if I'm judging through my mom's eyes or not, but I don't think I did that well.  I probably should have held him, but all I wanted was to look at his hand, and he wouldn't let me.  And he was screaming at the top of his lungs, and that was making me feel worse, not to mention my anxiety went through the roof.  I could feel it.  I've been paying more attention to what's anxiety and what's really depression.  I have a lot of anxiety.  

Even after it stopped hurting, he wouldn't use the hand, and he basically shut down to where he wouldn't do anything for himself.  This morning was just as bad.   He won't use his hand.  He wants someone to do everything for him.  I asked him if it was aching and explained what that meant and he said no.  It's not bruised or swollen, so I don't think it's anything other than he smacked it in just the right place to make it go numb, and it's bruised, just not showing a bruise yet.  I'm getting tired of the helpless act too.

It's like he's milking the whole thing for all it's worth.  I just . . . I don't know I think I should have been more comforting or something, even though holding and hugging him isn't going to make the hurt any less.  I was more concerned that he'd hurt himself badly.  I was even less sympathetic this morning when he couldn't put his clothes on because of his hand, couldn't eat his breakfast, couldn't do anything.

I was even less sympathetic when he got his jeans on and I discovered there was melted candy or gum or something that went through the washer.  Ugh.

I know his hand couldn't be hurting that bad because he has these moments where I've caught him using it, and last night he was playing with the rat before he went to bed.  Of course, he did get me up at least three times last night, including once at 3am to come in and tell me his hand was hurting again.  I told him he was still going to school and that he needed to go back to bed.

I don't think I was very nice either.

Thanks Poppy.  I didn't yell, although I was trying to get his attention through the screaming, we're talking as loud as could, top of the lungs panicking screaming here. My mom used to think I did something to him when he started that, but the truth was I didn't touch him most of the time.  I was in the shower when this happened.  I kept trying to get him to calm down, take deep breaths, and let me look at the hand.  Sheesh.  I was so glad to go to bed last night.
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Re: Don't think I handled that too well . . .
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2007, 10:19:43 AM »
Maybe some will disagree with me.........my nil's certainly would......but I think there are times when detachment, with love of course, is necessary with our kids.  My 10 yr old will hurt his hand ( or something similar)  and then start to distroy stuff.  My 6 yr old ( who seems to be going through some kind of emotional development right now) will spill the juice or hurt himself and simply fall apart.  Nothing I do or say will calm him.  I just have to stay calm and explain that a bandaid and tylenol and lots of hugs are waiting when he is ready to calm down.   Sometimes I think they need a little startle to help them find their own power in the situation.  Then, we can poor on the hugs and the love.  I think these moments are self care moments.....for us and for them. All the yelling gets to me too.....because what I am trying doesn't work and because at moments I NEED for them to calm down.  Maybe this is where we can teach them that they have responsibility and ability to take care of themselves and when we take care of ourselves we model for them.

Pops

ps. My relatives would tell me I was awful, number one because I couldn't stop the crying, and number two because I didn't smother the kid with caretaking goo.  They would push me out of the way and run to the rescue!!!  All the while missing how they weaken the child.

pss.  I am kinda going off on a tangent here.....sorry.....lots of old memories of interfering N's.




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Re: Don't think I handled that too well . . .
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2007, 10:28:13 AM »
PSSS.  I don't think parents are suppose to be 'nice'.   And if you know your kid is milking it....Dang....I am all about withdrawing the payoff.  If it is attention they need, then they get it but only after they restore themselves to appropriate behavior.

My sil completely babies her kids.  They milk her for all she is worth when things don't go right.  She gets frustrated but always tries to be 'nice'.  She sees herself as the perfect mother as she waits on them hand and foot.  Now her kids are growing older and starting to become angry -- acting out at school and so forth.  We on the board know what it is like to feel anger from powerlessness....I wonder is that is what is being cultivated here with this situation.

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Re: Don't think I handled that too well . . .
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2007, 10:40:12 AM »
Hmmmmm. Poppy.

Seems to me your IL's would give love and cuddles...... without discipline.

Disciplining is teaching, IMO.

Not molly coddling children so they don't have to feel.

Children don't know how to handle their feelings...... teaching them is our job.

When we are patient in the face of strain and chaos..... they learn what patience is. 

If we fall all over them, trying to save them from bad feelings..... what have we taught them?

How to be saved?

How to avoid bad feelings?

That's not doing them any favors. 

Also...... if we blow it and yell..... we can go back, identify what we think we did wrong, how to improve it, apologize and do better.

We teach our children through our mistakes, as well. 

We don't have to beat ourselves up when we fall down. 

Learning how to fail, apologize and do better is one of the most important lessons we teach our children.

Forgiving ourselves will help them learn to forgive their own little hearts. 

PS... We aren't supposed to always be nice, you're right about that.  I struggle with it too..... and have to remember that my job is teaching teaching teaching.  When the boat rocks and we feel off balance and a bit out of control, parenting.... we just need to keep that course we set, when feeling stronger and more centered.... and hold to it.  Things come back quickly if we do.

Calm and steady does it: ) 

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Re: Don't think I handled that too well . . .
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2007, 11:05:27 AM »
Pops, this is one of the things that my nmom has instilled in my son.  When he doesn't feel good, is hurt, or anything where he feels down and out, she would baby him.  So if he gets a sniffle, he forgets how to walk to the kitchen.  If he's throwing up, he acts like he's dying.  If he's got a fever, then I'm suppose to wait on him hand and foot.  And if he hurts himself, I'm supposed to hold him and make it all better. 

The problem is that he never learns to be self-sufficient.  I can understand and appreciate that he feels pain differently.  It's a trait of autism.  I can sympathize.  I can't handle that blood-curdling screaming that makes my stomach knot, my heart race, and makes me want to crawl into a corner, curl up in a ball, and cry.  That's what I wanted to do last night.  I didn't but I wanted to.

My mom always told me I was being cold and cruel when I would look at a paper cut, brush it off and say, "It's not bleeding." and act like nothing happened.  My son think a paper cut is a cause to break out the gauze and bandage him up like a mummy.  I reacted that way for minor bumps on the head, or something like last night, where I know it hurts, but there's nothing I can do, and hugging isn't going to make it better.  I always hated that when something was wrong with M, he was treated like he was helpless, and now it's a learned behavior.  He wants someone to take care of him, and I just keep encouraging him to do it himself.  Or mostly, he'll say.  "Get me a drink of water."  I'll say, "Do you know where the kitchen is?" "yes."  "Then get it yourself."  He's more than capable of getting his own drink.  He can pour his own glass of milk, juice, soda, etc.  He can get his own snacks.  He can operate the microwave.  He is not helpless, and I"m tired of seeing this helplessness encouraged.

I have decided, perhaps foolishly, that since M doesn't seem to be capable of cleaning his room on his own, that we're going to do it together for a while.  I'm hoping that if I do it with him and teach him how to do it, with a reward, that he'll learn to do things on his own, put things away when he's finished, and generally learn to take care of the chore on his own.  I'm hoping that I"m not continuing this helplessness routine.

The helplessness my mom created has always made me very angry, and because I would get angry, I would react inappropriately to M, being harsher than I really intended.
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Re: Don't think I handled that too well . . .
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2007, 11:27:00 AM »
Tayana,  My H grew up with all of that learned helplessness.  He even felt guilty for drawing a salary in our first few years of marriage.  Isn't that bizzare.   I have decided that my mil needed that circumstance so she could always be needed and always feel like the one who saved the moment.  It scares me how far she has gone and how many lives are weakened.  I have seen my own strengths dwindle because  I bought into the helplessness place too.  Gack!  It makes me sick to think about it.


My father always inspired independence and strength.  He always handled pain stoically.  Like one afternoon, he was working on the table saw and sliced part of his thumb off.  He was a dentist and this pretty much ended his career.  He didn't even flinch.  He went in the basement dental stash and shot himself up with carbocaine and went to the ER.

When I was young and had an owie or had to have a medical proceedure done.  He wouldn't react to any of my wailing.  He didn't give much love either......thus my many issues........but he taught me that stuff hurts and I CAN handle it.  This lesson prepared me for my future when I would spend many years in almost constant pain.  I handled it.  Just fine.  My H couldn't.  My IL's couldn't.  My H withdrew in helplessness and his family came to rescue. Even when I didn't want them to.  I would tell them I was fine.  They simply couldn't believe me and would tell me how I really felt.  They couldn't believe that it was really fine.  But it really was.   They would punish me into being helpless.  It was psycho! And led to many undersireable consequences.   I miss my old independent self.  And I want my kids to know how capable they are and what they can handle and what they can acheive. I think this is the realm where self trust and self esteem grows and strengthens and takes root.

I am so glad you are recognizing what you M did to your son .... and to you.  You are saving both your lives.

Pops

ps.  Don't autistic kids do their best when they are taught and allowed to shine in their capability?



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Re: Don't think I handled that too well . . .
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2007, 03:53:06 PM »
Tayana - I've just read your first post and not any replies.  I think it was a stellar experience of mothering.  Part of mothering must take into account your limits as well.  Stretched and stressed you did not take your own anxiety out on M but you found a way to sooth and comfort him.  How you handled it did not meet your standards but your standards do give you any room to consider your human limitations.  I think you did very well!