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Lupita

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Problems at work
« on: October 23, 2007, 05:34:19 AM »
Could you please, dear friends, share if you had bad problems at work and how you overcame the problems? How did you feel when you went home? How did you sleep? Did you wake up in nightmares? Am I the onlyone? I have been suffering so much at work that I need to feel that I am not the onlyone in this world. I feel that I am the onlyone n this world suffering ostracism. Have you had this problem? Thank you friends.

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Re: Problems at work
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2007, 09:33:14 AM »
Hi Lup,
I've had some terrible times at various jobs where I didn't fit.
Mostly, what you're going through reminds me of "being unpopular" at school as a child.
Those were terrible years.

You are facing the same sort of thing now, but as an adult, with an adult's tools.
I think those adult tools include counseling. You asked for advice about free counseling.
When my D was in despair but had no health insurance and no money, I advised her to seek out
these resources which are either free or sliding scale:

Community or regional mental health clinics, and their therapy groups
Women's support groups
Any 12-Step Program you can relate to (was anyone in your life ever a drinker? Fine, Al=Anon. Co-D Anon,
ACOA, any one you can understand even remotely, will be a place for comfort and sharing)
A church, an inclusive and embracing church you are comfortable with...they're full of small, meaningful groups
("Your Spiritual Autobiography" and "Creating Daily Sacred Spaces" were workshops I loved, and a Women's Spirituality Retreat)--and most church events, at least in my denomination, have scholarships for anyone who needs them to attend events and workshops)--these are places to form friendships based on knowing each other in a more intimate way
A psychology or psychiatry program at an educational institution...they often have nearly-free counsling groups, supervised
(You learn as much from the other group members as from the leader, so a young grad student leader can be fine)
A volunteer group...engaged in helping work side by side, people wind up sharing themselves

Those are places I would turn if I needed deep connection and support and couldn't afford conventional therapy.

love
Hops
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Re: Problems at work
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2007, 10:28:28 AM »
Dear Lupita,
  I agree with Hops .It sounds like junior high. The last time that I was whole was in  junior high.I am going to say some unpopular things.However,they may help.
 There is a "theory" about HOW people are. Then, there is the reality.
  My M took most of my sense away from me,but I am getting it back now. There are group dynamics. With woman,it may be a little  different than men. With woman, you have to "earn" your place in the group. You earn it by several things.One is strength when tested .IOW, you will be tested to see if you can be bullied".If you fail the test--WATCH OUT!.
  My S(younger) who went to the Catholic school was telling me about this. He was "tested" to see if he would "fight back" when he was messed with. He fought back and that gained him entrance in to the group. There are certain unwritten rules in groups. If a person is too willing to "please', they can miss the unwritten rules and can get "bullied". There are certain rules of "conformity "in any group. You can't violate them without being ostracized.
  Woman in a group have the 'testing " thing. You have to pass that.Your place in the group could be tested periodically . However, the way to pass the "test" is to be strong.The irony is that the person who wants to belong MOST sets themselves up to be bullied . The person who acts as if they can do "without it" will be cared for more.
 With men, they usually are not as petty. However,your boss and the woman teachers are a "group" now and the group dynamic is set up against you.
  I don't know if it can be rectified. I wish that you had a big,strong man on your side who had power. That would even out the playing field and you could start new.That happened with my marriage.A stronger dog than my H started protecting me.My H backed  down.It was as simple as a man with a bigger gun---BLEH.
 I guess that if I were in your shoes,I would try to get some version of a "big ,strong man". This could be a civil rights lawyer, a Hispanic activist etc.
  If you cannot get your power in the group back, I think that the situation is hopeless and you will have to leave.
 I would suspect that SOME group would want to take your case b/c it is a valid one.
  Anyway, compost what does not suit your needs.                      Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: Problems at work
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2007, 11:52:27 AM »
Lupita I think about you and the dread of your work situation a lot, but it's so hard to know what to say especially because I have never "won" such a situation.

I will share what happened to me 2 years ago.
I had left a job to move away, then we moved back (due husband's job changes).  When we moved back, the same job invited me back and I was happy to return.  In the larger sense, I do not want to be doing the 'career' I have ended up doing, but I am grateful to be able to earn a paycheck and for many other things about working.  Also this job had nice people and the work was very interesting. 

While I had been gone, they had hired several new young people who were superior to me because they have advanced degrees that I don't have.  I am a support person.  Two of the young people were fresh out of Ivy league schools.  The 'oldest' young person went to a 'lesser' school and was a lateral hire.  He also was creepy, and he targeted me to bully.  He became the ringleader of all 3 people, the younger 2 fell right into line behind him as minions.  By targeting me, he was able to consolidate his position and become a leader, when maybe they might have outshone him otherwise.  Also by targeting me, he was able to scare them by showing them the power of what he could do.

The bully also worked on recruiting all the junior and support people.  He sent friendly joke emails, excluding only me and the senior people above him.  He invited the group to casual lunch, excluding only me and the senior people above him.  I didn't know about this at first - it was invisible to me.  I don't know what else he did, but I'm sure there was other stuff.  The sad thing was that at the same time he was planning his wedding and getting married.  You would think he would not bother about bullying support staffer at work, but he did.

Finally all the senior people were out of town at a retreat and we junior and support people all got together for a pizza party.  He opened fire on me in front of the group at the party and encouraged the group to adopt nicknames for me - such as "Gimp" or "Duchess."  One of his just-out-of-school minions said I should be grateful to be called Duchess instead of "peon" or "serf."  It's harsh when a 25 year old in her first full-time job says that straight out in public about you.  Humiliating!  Also let me be clear that I had been unfailingly kind and a good co-worker to these people, all of them.

I didn't feel it all the way through until I got home that night and then I burned with rage and humiliation.  I talked about it with my H and I decided to report the entire incident to our Senior Partner, because the Bully seemed to believe I would not do it.  Another reason why I decided to report it is because it happened in front of at least 10 people, so even if some denied it - not all could or would deny it, even if they tried to minimize it.  Too many witnesses.  A third reason I reported it is because it was a blatant violation of workplace harrassment policy.  Also, I knew the senior partner particularly liked and valued me and I needed to bring the Big Dog down on the Little Dog.  Even so, I limited and shaped my approach.  I said, I don't care what it is about or what motivated it I will not speculate but I DO NOT want to hear myself addressed by these nicknames in writing, in memos, in emails or in person - that is all I care about.  That is my issue.  The senior partner said he thought it was immaturity and 'fraternity' humor - and I let him have that.  I am not going to argue that stuff, because it puts me in the position of possibly seeming hysterical or overreacting.  That is why I fought for a specific point and refused to speculate.

Then I reported it to HR.  There is no point in reporting it to HR until the Big Dog is already going to do something.  HR is like a dog with no teeth that has to gum its bone and whine.  I only reported it to them in order to lay a record and to keep the Bully nervous.

Then I did nothing and pretended like I had no more issue.  Meanwhile I started to look for another job.

Meanwhile, the bully took the whole thing underground but of course it did not end.  The campaign had to enter a new phase as all his efforts shifted to making me look like a bad guy.

All my energy had to go to being completely polite, completely professional, unfailingly helpful, because the bully was trying to throw it all on me and the others were ready to back him, though they did not actively help him.  It's so sad when people aren't clear on their own integrity that they would do such a thing.  But that is their problem.

Meanwhile someone came into my office and took my glasses. 

The bully made tiny corrections to every assignment - usually marking up original documents, not copies (just irritating stuff).  He continued to invite people out for lunch and whenever we were in a group his whole body language was like I was menacing him and he was frightened off me.  This is hard to do - I am short and slight and his underling.  lol!

Finally I got another job.  I had not even been back for 10 months before I left again.  I was angry to have to leave in some ways because the senior people in this group were the most mentoring people I have ever worked with.  The believed in me, gave me positive feedback and encouraged me and NO ONE has ever done that for me before or since.  But they were unable to see or believe in the dynamics happening beneath their level.  So I had to go. 

They were surprised and unhappy when I gave my notice and I did not at all address the reason why I left.  I said it was more money, closer to home and so an offer too good to refuse.  I never brought up the ambient abuse, the gaslighting (stealing my eyeglasses) or any of the other stuff because I could not prove it and I was being goaded to react.

I never would have taken my current job if all things were equal.  I really liked that team of people - the senior members, and appreciated them and found the work interesting.  But now I really do work only 10 minutes from home and 10 minutes from the daycare and this job has no overtime either.  And sometimes we are quite slow, allowing me to post.  Sometimes I really regret leaving, but I don't believe I could have won that situation.  However, I do believe the bully is a bad employee and they will have to get rid of him one day, and that is based just on his quality of work (or lack thereof) and general lameness and weirdness - but I know that company very very well and it takes them a long time to get rid of their completely hopeless employees - it could take several years.  One of his Ivy minions was also a completely empty suit and he has already been fired (but if took 4 years) and he was just a weak willed foolish ninny (pandering to a bully instead of minding his career and lots of other career blighting stuff not relevant here).  But all of that is a separate issue.


It is really really hard to go through the day with a "game face" on when you know there's a trouble maker and a bunch of weak people who will allow themselves to be led into all sorts of bad behavior.  But you need to have your own plan and stick to it.

Ami is right - you need a Big Dog if you can find one.  But even with one, you will probably have to look for another job anyway.  Even a Big Dog is just a bandaid.  They will probably get rid of Dr. U, but not soon enough to help you. 

So unfortunately, I think you need to hold you head high and look for another job.  It's also possible that they will get tired of taunting you, but do you really just want to wait and see?  You are not powerless, even though they have you at a disadvantage right now.  Also, NOT everyone is in on it - so my advice is that during this time of battle, you be extra friendly to all your allies and focus 100% of your positive energy on cultivating your alliances.  Do not say anything bad or bad talk those working against you, but focus on forging all relationships possible.  Don't react if someone fails you, and continue to be polite and gracious, but refocus on those who will not fail you.

That is my recent experience and related advice from that.

I fought many battles in school days and the one you are in now does sound exactly like school as others have mentioned.   I have a lot of experience fighting in the trenches that, luckily, I rarely need.  However, looks like you could use it now.

Ami is right - you have to look like you could not care less and do not want to be part of any clique because cliques LIVE to reject people who desire to be in them.  You can have some fun with catching individual members at a disadvantage (alone) and being nice and gracious to them, making a small compliment on their appearance or something.  This will make them feel small, because they are acting small, so it is appropriate that they should know themselves.  Then when they are together, ignore them completely, but not in an ostentatious way, but as if you are thinking of something else or focused on other people.  Then say "oh hi how are you" to all of them but don't ask any question that has to wait for an answer.  You must retain all power possible. 

It was really good in the faculty room when you made a direct comment to one person.  That is a tactic that works and is a good way to cultivate allies that will make you feel supported.

This is hard because they know you have a weak point and the first rule is to make them believe you do not.  You especially have to guard your weak points and make them think they are not weak points.  When the bully started calling me Duchess, my mask slipped and he knew he hurt me, but then I started to make jokes about it and appeared to accept it and get into the spirit, telling him that Duchesses charge rent from everyone in their domain and etc.  This is shifting the ground of the fight.  I came back at him in a different way the next week, through the Big Dog, which was my best advantage.

This is a long post and I hope it has some useful thoughts for you lupita.  I think you are a delightful, brave, brilliant person and that what is behind this is ENVY because you shine brighter than they do.  So I pray you will make good your escape and find a better setting where you can shine.
Character, which has nothing to do with intellect or skill, can evolve only by increasing our capacity to love, and to become lovable. - Joan Grant

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Re: Problems at work
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2007, 04:33:39 PM »
Hey Lupita.

I'm sure I shared some of this before... but....

I had an older lady do mean things to me at a job once..... I used to nap during my lunch hour in an unused office and she would walk in, turn on the lights and start munching her food and slamming things around till I sat up and left..

It was bee zar.  When I asked her what she was doing she said..."go to the devil" and so....I tattled, lol. 

She then proceeded to lie her teeth out.  Since her best friend was one of the doc's wives.... I was a bit out ranked.  I left and had the same kind of trouble at the next office I worked at.

Little (mean) people, in positions of authority (however lowly) doing awful things then going all wide eyed with denial when called on it, lol.

I've seen some really innapropriate icky behavior I'd never want to see again, at some of my workplaces. 

Once, a married attorney (much younger than his wife) said they were putting on a play.... would I like a part?

I said no. 

So... he asked if I'd like to have sex with them.... no heavy intercourse or anything like that.... like that would make it more attractive, lol! 


Ummmmmm.......


NO.

Thanks. 

Buh buy.

Lot's of mean girl stories for ya.... if ya want to hear more.

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Re: Problems at work
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2007, 04:57:58 PM »
WOW!!!!! I have no words to say.
Iphi, it sounds so much like my problems. Thank you so much for sharing.

"All my energy had to go to being completely polite, completely professional, unfailingly helpful, because the bully was trying to throw it all on me and the others were ready to back him, though they did not actively help him.  It's so sad when people aren't clear on their own integrity that they would do such a thing.  But that is their problem."

I am spending so much energy to be just perfect, that I end up exhausted everyday. The only good thing is that I am becoming a better teacher. Because I am working so hard, that I am being more creative and my students are learning better becasue I am being nicer. But it cost me a lot of energy, I do not enjoy my work anymore. i was enjoying my work up until this man started atacking me.

The constanrt fear is killing me. But I suspect that something must have happened because he did not come to my class niether yesterday nor today. I guess, tomorrow is the day. I am sure he will come tomorrow during my worst class. At the end of it. When we are just waiting for the bell to ring. But I will creat something for tomorrow. I will. Like the one thousand and on nights with Sherezade.

Lighter, thanky you for sharing, that is what I wanted. i do not want to feel so lonely in my humilliated corner.

Hop, thanks so much for thinking of me. I will try to find out. I have not found anything here yet. And I have been searching a lot.

Ami, your discussion of groups is terrifying. I am scared fo groups. It seems that a group has its own life. And since my mom never let me form part of my family, I have no idea how to be part of a group. I am blind and lonely. Very sad.

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Re: Problems at work
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2007, 05:16:39 PM »

Lighter, thanky you for sharing, that is what I wanted. i do not want to feel so lonely in my humilliated corner.



Uhhhh, yaaaa....

::joining Lupita in the humiliation corner, lol::

A job can put you into situations you never, in a million years, saw coming.

I certainly didn't see that little married freak weasle coming, when he smiled and started talking.... like I was going to say.....

"Sure!  When do I get naked?  Make sure it's only light intercourse.... nothing heavy, right?"  Honestly.... I think I was like.... 20yo at the time.  The nerve!

You sound like you feel better, prolly cause the good dr. left you alone for a couple days.

I still think you should center the entire class around him, when he's there.  Esp the rowdy end of the day worst class.

Have some ideas handy.... very creative ones (read that as putting him on the spot) and see how that works for ya. 

"Oh... isn;t that nice, dear friendly hard working Lupita.... always trying to make EVERYONE feel welcome in her class"

::BIG cheesy smile:: 

::Picturing Lupita speaking to the good doctor like he's very retarded::

You can't do that but he'd for sure be able to understand you if you enunciated that precisely, for his benefit. 

::slapping knee:: I know that's bad.  I know it's barely funny but.... ::slapping knee again::

It makes me laugh to picture him looking like the one with the problem.... considering everyone else can understand you and he uses that as an excuse. 

I definately think musical instruments are in order... the doc can lead the sing a along!!!  Ummm... maybe little festive hats?  ::nodding seriously::

If he won't..... just keep staring at him expectantly until he gets embarrassed and leaves. 

Or..... ask him what he WOULD like to do with the class.... now that he's there!!!!

Then stare expetantly again.  ::blink blink::

You could always ask the class if they want him to play an instrument and sing, lol!

Heck.... I think they'd prolly enjoy his discomfort as much as you!

Ummm..... note to Lupita.

Take my posts with a grain of salt, please