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Re: Is The Golden Child An Abused Child?
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2007, 03:55:17 PM »
sunblue, thanks for starting this thread.  It has immediately got me thinking.

Is the Golden Child an abused child?  To the extent that they seem to feel an incredible sense of self-entitlement and will, as a result, engage in all sorts of hideous behaviours, yes.  And, in cases such as my aunt - the numero uno Golden Child - this sense of entitlement was passed on by her to my two cousins.  The fly in her ointment has always seemed to be (based on solid evidence) my N mother, the 2nd daughter.  What my mother did was to get pregnant 6 months before my aunt, having the first grandchild (me) in the family.  This made my aunt livid and she abused me physically until I got bigger than her - and wisened to her ways -but she will always need to make an attempt to abuse me emotionally.  The most recent example was when she asked me - upon my recent move back to the U.S. - if I needed any help.  When I replied affirmatively and asked for her reply either way, I got no reply.  Her children didn't reply to my change of address notification...nada/nothing. 

I sense that the Golden Child engages in awful behaviour and can get away with it more easily than others in the family and that this behaviour gets passed on.  For those of us who are/were not part of that Golden Child's perfection, we probably got relegated to the identified patient - this seems the way in many pathologies...Golden Child at one end and Identified Patient at the other.  Interestingly, what my mother might have tried to do was get her status/right to exist through giving birth to me before my aunt could perfectly replay her Golden Child status.  When that happened, my aunt truly felt usurped and turned into a scary person/abusER.  I would not wish this scenario on anyone.

Interesting thread. 
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Re: Is The Golden Child An Abused Child?
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2007, 04:20:25 PM »
I've always focused on the scapegoated child, never thought about the Golden one. I was both - the only girl, the smartest, did the best in school, minded well, etc. But as I got older and began falling apart, I was the scapegoat - "None of this would have happened if it hadn't been for you" ... yada yada yada. My brothers were doted on, never disciplined (not for REAL things anyway), and got their way 95% of the time. So I never felt like the golden one but my brothers both reported seeing me that way.

I can't wrap my mind around the Golden one being the abused one ... guess I'm dumb on this one. None of us had a sense of entitlement - we were slapped silly if we even acted that way.

The only way I can relate to this is thinking about the younger sister of a good friend. Kelly was the favorite, spoiled rotten, with a huge sense of entitlement, acted out outrageously, while her older sister (my friend) worked hard, was the quintissential "good girl". Kelly was never disciplined in any meaningful way and, now, she has no self-discipline and is a crack addict and alcoholic. Her parents are spending all the assets they had saved for retirement supporting her and expect her older sister to do the same. Yuk.

Is that kind of what you mean????
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Re: Is The Golden Child An Abused Child?
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2007, 04:26:28 PM »
Mud,

You've got a good point there. My NSister is definitely the most screwed up one. But I think my NMum selected her partly because my Nsister was the image of my NMum (physically and in her 'personality', such as it is!). I look more like my Dad. So, I think from the N point of view, they can replicate their more 'perfect self' in someone who at least superficially is the most like them. That suits their ego better. Even now, I refer to my Nsister as 'Clone', because she has no mind of her own. She's just like a cardboard cutout of her mother.


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Re: Is The Golden Child An Abused Child?
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2007, 04:48:43 PM »
Dawning,
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First you said:
  This made my aunt livid and she abused me physically until I got bigger than her - and wisened to her ways -but she will always need to make an attempt to abuse me emotionally.

...which depicts your aunt as a truly toxic person that most people would not want to associate with any more than needed.

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  The most recent example was when she asked me - upon my recent move back to the U.S. - if I needed any help.  When I replied affirmatively and asked for her reply either way, I got no reply.  Her children didn't reply to my change of address notification...nada/nothing. 

Ok, here I go again, trying to figure out WHY YOU WOULD TELL THIS VICIOUS WOMAN OR HER CHILDREN THAT YOU WANTED HER HELP AND WHY IT WOULD BOTHER YOU THAT YOU DID NOT GET A REPLY.

I'm not sure YOU know what it is you really want from these abusive people.  On one hand you state that they are bad and cruel and abusive, but then you indicate scenarios of where you were having some sort of polite exchange and even agreeing to having them help you? 

Please, something's gotta get straightened out here in your perception, Dawning.  You can't despise someone and then be upset or surprised. when they don't want to help you.  I am not attacking you as a person, just really concerned about your hazy perception about abusers...that you think you don't want them around you yet get upset when they aren't reacting in the ways normal people that you are beloved by would.  Not adding up at all.

Anyone else noticing a disturbing pattern in these situations, other than me?

Here is a pretend comparison of the pattern I'm seeing in you that I hope we are all able to help you also recognize and conquer eventually through your sharing with us on this group.  Dr G, feel free to step in as well to help this dear lady too, please.

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Dawning, it's like me saying "there is a bully next door who comes over every day and kicks me in the stomach.  He is mean and nasty and he even dug up my garden last year that he saw me out there in the hot sun working so hard on.
The latest scenario was, This bully ask if I wanted her to babysit my daughter for me. I said "yes I did' but bully never even called me to find out WHEN I needed her help babysitting.  I just can't believe that."
   

Are you able to understand what i'm trying to say, Dawning?  Again, is it just me or are others on this list noticing Dawning's spinning her wheels in this rut repeatedly too?  We care, Dawning.  Many of us have been in your situation.  Only hoping to help;
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Re: Is The Golden Child An Abused Child?
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2007, 05:26:37 PM »
Towrite, I've been lots of roles.  I was my mother's golden child, even though I didn't feel like that.  She always told me that my brother was jealous because I'd had more opportunities than him.  She also told me what a horrible disapointment he was.

I've been her scapegoat.  

I've been the caretaker.  I filled this role a lot when she was working, or when she was sick.  It always made me feel so important to clean the house like I wanted it.

Mostly, I think I was just lost, because no one really cared about my sense of self.   I identify more with the lost child role.  I felt invisible a lot.  I felt like I didn't matter.  I felt as though I were a terrible person all the time.

I think golden children have a tendency to either become abusers or else they self destruct.  I don't think their lives are really as golden as we think.
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Re: Is The Golden Child An Abused Child?
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2007, 05:29:09 PM »
Leah,

Maybe sister #2's life doesn't have to remain destroyed.  Have you considered telling her about this board? invited her here where people will walk with her through things?

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Re: Is The Golden Child An Abused Child?
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2007, 05:30:34 PM »
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Sister No 2 was the Golden Child, and yes, she was very much abused.  Shrine was made for GC with photographs every step of the way.  No other photographs on display.  Despite the fact that she was afforded every golden opportunity and supported through college - she has not managed a career.  She lives in isolation, is fearful, and suffers from severe anxiety and depression.  NM destroyed her life.

Leah, I identify with this so much.  My NM tried to make me the GC, and oh she was so proud of me until I got pregnant with M.  It's really hard to stay on that pedastal, and you spend a lot of time trying to live up to unrealistic expectations.  It causes horrible anxiety.  I've suffered from anxiety all my life.  I used to get physically ill from the anxiety, and my mother never did a thing about it.  She'd just tell me I was "too excited."  I had horrible anxieties about taking tests, concerts, etc.  More than I should have had.  I don't mean a little nervousness, but truly bone wrenching fear.  It's even worse now.  Right now I'm tied in knots because I'm afraid my NM will have called my son at daycare again.  Or she'll have gone there to pick him up.

At some point, I realized that my NM only loved me as a trophy prize, and then I really resented what she was doing.  That was sometime in college I think, but I"m not sure.
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Re: Is The Golden Child An Abused Child?
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2007, 05:36:31 PM »
Leah,

Maybe sister #2's life doesn't have to remain destroyed.  Have you considered telling her about this board? invited her here where people will walk with her through things?

~Laura

Laura,

Managed to find Sister No 2 who was petrified of NM ever finding out her location.  Sister No 2 sent an email telling me that she would only have contact with me when NM is dead.  Then she sent a second email telling me that I was 'blocked' on her email system.  She did say that she had been reading loads of stuff on the internet and that in her opinion ......... "NM had Psychopathic tendancies"

Who knows, she may be reading this ........ if you are my dear sister ...... " I Love You So Much " xxxxxxx

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Re: Is The Golden Child An Abused Child?
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2007, 05:45:22 PM »


Right now I'm tied in knots because I'm afraid my NM will have called my son at daycare again.




Tayana,

There should be some kind of protective restraining order - for the well being of the child.

Think I read that you have given strict instructions to the daycare place.  Understand how and why you would feel that that's not enough to give you complete peace of mind.

Ordinary folk with ordinary lives who have no knowledge of Nism cannot be expected to fully comprehend what N's and suchlike do and how they work.

All you can do is to reinforce your strict instructions with the daycare place.

Not an easy task I know.

Thinking of you with genuine empathy.

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Re: Is The Golden Child An Abused Child?
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2007, 06:24:25 PM »
The Golden Child~~~
~~~~~always makes me think of Scott Peterson, as he was called that in the media. After previous marriages, he was his parent's only child. His mother appeared to be an N.

He was not only and N, but a P, as he murdered his wife and unborn baby, while having another woman on the hook.

So my opinion is that the Golden Child is so accustomed to receiving whatever he/she wants, that the sense of entitlement carries on.

Since you will all know the story, just think about it~~~~
~~~and YES it was abusive of his mother to treat him as the GC. She raised a murderer.


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Dear Izzy,

Did read about the Scott Peterson case briefly on the internet.  However, was not aware that his mother raised him as the GC.

Regarding my Sister No 2 - Golden Child ....... I am aware of her behaviour in recent years as that of being manipulative to others, and worryingly scheming and cunning too. 

Such a young life - not having a true quality of life.

That is, unless her life has changed this year.

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« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2007, 06:41:44 PM »
I'm curious about something, Leah...how about the case where a child was parentified, was not seen as the Golden Child, until she became an adult.

In the case I'm referring to, this adult became very controlling of people, exuded an air of superiority, yet deep inside was one of the most depressed individuals I ever met in my life.  This person had a real fear of getting close with people because they didn't want to have to reject them if they found them to be unlikeable.

This was my story, of course...the person found ME to be unlikeable, and therefore was put in a position they feared more than death...a position of having to tell me we didn't "click."

I honestly think I understand where this person stood back then, more than I ever did before.  This person's main thrust in life seemed to be earning the favor of the parent.  First this person watched a sibling be the GC, but then later on as an adult this person become the GC.  When I came along and the parent befriended me, this person became insecure, jealous and immediately had to find a way to get me out of the picture.

Does any of this sound even remotely familiar to you, Leah?  If so, it would help me immensely to hear any of your input.

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Re: Is The Golden Child An Abused Child?
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2007, 07:18:29 PM »

I'm curious about something, Leah...how about the case where a child was parentified, was not seen as the Golden Child, until she became an adult. 

In the case I'm referring to, this adult became very controlling of people, exuded an air of superiority, yet deep inside was one of the most depressed individuals I ever met in my life.  This person had a real fear of getting close with people because they didn't want to have to reject them if they found them to be unlikeable.

This was my story, of course...the person found ME to be unlikeable, and therefore was put in a position they feared more than death...a position of having to tell me we didn't "click."

I honestly think I understand where this person stood back then, more than I ever did before.  This person's main thrust in life seemed to be earning the favor of the parent.  First this person watched a sibling be the GC, but then later on as an adult this person become the GC.  When I came along and the parent befriended me, this person became insecure, jealous and immediately had to find a way to get me out of the picture.

Does any of this sound even remotely familiar to you, Leah?  If so, it would help me immensely to hear any of your input.

~Laura


Dear Laura,

Sorry, no, does not sound familiar to me at all. 

Bearing in mind each family dynamic, or should I say dysfunctional set-up, most likely will be different.  As is mine to yours.

Can only refer to my family.

But I have thought regarding my younger sister, sister no 2, that she was left behind, as we all three of us had left home, and NM cut off contact.
Which meant that my Sister No 2 GC would then have become Parentified - which would explain the change shift in her behaviour.

Especially as Sister No 2 later on took control of NM !!! 

Just coming back to me crystal clear and some most important  :idea: are shining bright.

But back to your situation Laura, I can only guess at the root cause being Envy.

Sorry.

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Re: Is The Golden Child An Abused Child?
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2007, 08:08:08 PM »
tt,
This is a very good question. Yes, I do think they are abused. And, in a lot of ways, I think it is a lot harder for them to realize how to live their lives happily. Going just by what I have seen with my sister, I don't feel there has been any advantage to her - except financially and in that, in some senses she has had a bit better esteem than I had - though not by much. And she is still a very confused person. We have gotten very close - mostly because she has reached out so much. I honestly felt like letting it go for a long time - our relationship, I mean. She maintains more ties and more responsibilities to my parents because of her "status." I wouldn't trade places with her for the world. She is in a marriage that is far from making her happy, but is in denial and doesn't want to admit her husband is a jerk.v She really is a kind and loving person, but has faced no demons and seems to ignore anything  unpleasant in her life. I wish I could make her happy. But she won't see until she wants to. She had bulimia and other issues and still has a terrible time with food. She doesn't seem to see how all of the bad things are related in her life. Once I tried to talk to her, but the lines were quickly closed.
So, tt, judging by my experience - yes they are abused and, sadly, I think they have little chance of realizing it and getting help. And I wonder how they cannot see that something is wrong?
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Re: Is The Golden Child An Abused Child?
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2007, 08:10:39 PM »


Hi everyone,

In my family, the GC designation rotated depending on who was 'in' or who was 'out'.  I'm talking about when we were pre-adolescent and afterwards.  My brother seemed to occupy the position more often and longer than me and my sister.  But then males were/are highly favored too, so I don't know what percentage of the favoritism rested on gender.  Do you suppose that GC is simply one of the nuances of triangulation or is it something different?

Thanks tribe for good reading  :)

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Re: Is The Golden Child An Abused Child?
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2007, 08:21:04 PM »
It's interesting to hear different scenarios about the "golden child" in families.  I always thought it had something to do with birth order but I see here that the child selected to be the "golden child" could be chosen for a variety of reasons.  But there also seem to be some key similarities, one of which is that the chosen child can essentially get away with murder (both figuratively and literally, in Scott Peterson's case).  They also seem to share a very strong sense of entitlement, just like their Nparent.

For me, the child who is oh most definitely NOT the chosen child, it is important to understand the reason WHY one child is selected as the golden child over another.  In my family's case, the chosen child is my older sister.  SHe is the firstborn and had my Nmom's complete and undividied attention for more than five years before another child came along (me).  Added to this, we lived with my Nmom's parents at the time and I believe my maternal grandmother was also N, who subsequently showed the firstborn child with love and attention.  No wonder my Nsister wanted nothing to do with me when I came along.  So she came to possess a ridiculous sense of entitlement as well as undivided attention from both my parents.  This devotion to her never wavers iin spite of the despicable things she did.  It's a vicious circle.  My Nsister ultimately excelled due to my Nmother's direct assistance in her life as well as attention and "love", albeit narcissistic love.  In turn, my Nmom closely identifed with her.  Easy to identify with the person who reaps the rewards of all the attention they are given while the other children are left alone, struggling with everything by themselves and amid enormous emotional abuse and neglect.

Do I have any empathy for the golden child?  Sorry to say I don't.  I just can't excuse all the deliberate, painful, damaging things she does to people, not to mention the way they destroy their own families and siblings.  Do I believe they were ultimately affected by the Nparent.  Yes, they were, perhaps due to no fault of their own.  But like the Nparent, I believe they are capable of understanding the difference between right and wrong.  They just don't care whether other people are hurt or not.  THey are too selfish and self-centered.

In my family, I not only suffered the typical abuse of a Nparent and co-dependent parent, but also an Nsister as well.  Put together, it's a lethal combination.  It is scary to watch just how closely my Nmom and Nsister identify with each other.  They are clearly totally dependent on each other.  For all my Nsister's evil, evil ways, she would never cross my Nmom, never criticize her, never question her position as Queen of the Throne.  She would privately because she is the grand manipulator.  But they feed off each other.  In so doing, they deliberately eliminate the rest of their family from their lives (with the exception of the co-dependent husband/father).  My only very small consolation is that I know somewhere, deep, deep, deep down, my Nsister is not happy.  In my family's case, while she has both my parent's complete and total dedication and attention, she also has completely and forever lost the possibility of any relationship with her siblings and niece.  It is the consequences of her actions, actions which of course she would never take responsibility for.  But her sphere of those who she can be the center of attention for has diminished.  

One last thought.  I once went to a reader who commented on my family's narcissistic dynamics.  She noted, among other things, that it is when my parents (particularly my Nmom) eventually passes that my Nsister will have the most trouble.  She will not be able to cope since she is completely dependent on her for her own narcissistic supply.  While she controls everything now, when it is time to care for a weakened Nmom or deal with her passing, she will not be able to cope.  She'll leave it to others to handle.  How very narcisstic of her..but I think ultimately it will be true someday.

Ultimately, narcissists just have to be right.  THey have to control.  ANd Nparents choose a golden child to control.  In the end, they end up being equally controlled by the Nchild they created, in my opinion at least.