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Re: Struggle continues
« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2007, 11:07:00 AM »
Hey Lup.

One thing that helped me to move past something that was bugging me was to let go of the desire to figure out WHY.

You probably won't ever know why small people do nutsy things that hurt other people.  It's not just you that they hurt and your're not the last person they're going to be unfair with or persecute.

What you do need to figure out is how you're going to handle the conflict and feelings it brings up for you.  

Your history makes it difficult for you to keep perspective.

Some can go to their parents and siblings and find reassurance..... that's never been something you can count on.  

So.... you have more than just the irrational man made conflict to get past.... you have the old feelings that get triggered and the lack of support.

You're doing it though.... you're figuring out how to overcome and perservere in your own right.

That's what you should spend your time doing.  

As far as the Pastor goes....  just assume something terrible happend to him in his past, he hasn't overcome it, it affects him in his life and work, which is a terrible thing for everyone, including him.  

Be glad you aren't him and keep moving forward.

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« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2007, 04:49:53 PM »
Hop, Lighter, Changing, Ami, thank you so much for wirting me. In this time of struggle and nobody to go for support, your words of acouragement are extremely inportant to me.

Obeserver, I am extremely impressed. Did you study psychology? Do you have a degree? You speak like an expert. Thank you so much for your specifity. That is really helpful.

Your post is something that I have to materialy study answer by answer, and if you are so kind keep discussing with you. I will study it slowly, piece by piece. I will get back to you this evening. Thank you so much for your effort.

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« Reply #47 on: November 18, 2007, 04:56:29 PM »
I went to Barnes nd Noble and I could not find Albert Ellis. I found something very similar and based on Albert Ellis Theory.

The new mood therapy, book and workbook by David Burns.

I hope that is useful because I spent $32.00

Have you hear of these books?

Thanks.

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« Reply #48 on: November 18, 2007, 05:25:27 PM »
The Pastor is a jerk and that is a fact
You have no control over the Pastor
We wish that the Pastor was a nice and decent man who treated you kindly

I wish that my mother was a nice person who treated me nicely. That is not going to happen either. I am in the process of accepting that.

irrationally when you allow yourself to become so upset over the Pastor so that you cannot sleep at night.

Yes, but, I try to forget, and it comes back, like an obcession because I know that my beans on the table depend on a jerk. And how to control the stomach ache? It comes by ot self. I wish I could push a botton and feel well and not to care. I know a teacher whose students misbehave all the time and she says that hse is very happy. I cant do that.

I will focus my thoughts on things that I enjoy and can help me, like dancing, music, looking for a new job, etc.” This would be a rational reaction to the Pastor. If you think this way, you won’t hurt yourself, you won’t loose sleep over the Pastor.

Maybe I can write this in a poster and read it everyday and see if I use it as an affirmation it might sink in my brain. Like Lighter says, fake it till you make it.

soft “hello” and then turn your head away from him, don’t look at him and keep walking away from him. Minimize your interaction with him. Since you find him upsetting, limit your contact with him.

That I already do, and definitively will keep doing it, since all my behavior is unconscious, my own body did it just because of the fear I feel when I see him. So I already avoid him but smiling still.

DO NOT LET THE PASTOR HUG YOU. Do not let him touch you. Do not get physically close enough to him so that he can touch or hug you. These are boundary issues and you must work on establishing

This is very difficult, since I get paralyzed when somebody is aggressive to me. And he must ne saying something to other people because a father, son in low of Mr. V, came and gave me a hug just for no reason and I just got paralyzed and just thought what the heck, why is he pulling me to him self, but I was totally unable to put my arms as a barrier, but I will say to my self one thousand times, nobody will hug me again in that school, nobody, I have to put my arms as a barrier, but when I do not expect an atack I get paralyzed. But hopefully by being aware and thinking of it, it will not happen to me again.

They have CHOSEN to be hostle to you. That is their choice.

Correct, there are several teachers that are good friends of pastor and they are nice to me despite that they know what is going on. So, those who choose to be mean are just mean people and I cant change them.

Pastor has NO POWER to damage you and break your spirit. The choice is up to you.

This I will write in a poster and read it everyday before going to work,  but difficult to believe since people obey him and if he tell them to do dirty work they will do dirty work. So hi has power, and it makes me feel bad that he does not like me, because I feel rejected for the one thousand time again.


do not look in their eyes. Look at the ceiling, look at the floor, look in the distance. Or, look them in the eyes, but choose to react to them by not feeling so hurt. But, do not act hostile towards them. Just be non-chalant.

I will try, I will definitely not look in the eyes of these people, and smile if necessary. But, the pain is there, the stomach ache is there. I will repeat to my self, they are not important, they are naked, they are jerks, they are bad people.

If anyone makes a comment, just say you really want to read your book because it is so interesting.

If I get caught off guard I get paralyzed. So, I will try, but it is too much. Plus the surviving the high school kids is hard, and be alert for them, make sure I see their hands, they are not supposed ot be texting, they have to do their work, if somebody likes somebody I have to make sure they keep their hands to them selves, si, it is very stressful itself to teach adolescents and if on top I have to deal with these jerks it is more difficult. But I check websites every single day.

 No, you should allow yourself to feel your feelings, but do not allow your feelings to OVERWHELM you so that you feel damaged, broken or destoyed.

OK if I could do that I would b cured. That is the problem, I do not know how to do that. I tell my self, everyday I cannot suffer for them I cannot suffer dor them and I am still suffering.

I tell my students you ahvet o memorize the vocabulary, then they ask me how, then I tell them, write it several times, make an intentional effort to recall them make flashcards, etc, but If I just tell them here is your vocabulary, memorize it, they would be lost. This is what happening to me, everybody tells me how I should feel but nobody tells me how to do it.

With respect of this last statement do you have any more suggestions?

Thank you ofr your time.

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« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2007, 07:51:54 PM »
Hola Lupita,

Muchas gracias for the compliment.  I am not an expert, but I have been in therapy and I have read many books. 

I read the New Mood Therapy and it is a good book.  But, in my opinion, I personally prefer Albert Ellis because he teaches how to dispute irrational thought using the “ABCD” method (although I believe that Burns does that too).

Buying these books can be expensive.  Why don’t you try the library?

I again suggest you read the Albert Ellis Book called How to Stubbornly Refuse to Make Yourself Miserable about Anything: Yes Anything! and another of his books called A Guide to Rational Living.  Here’s the link for those books at amazon.com:/www.amazon.com/Guide-Rational-Living-Albert-Ellis/dp/0879800429/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-0824688-2540469?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195426179&sr=1-1.

Amazon often sells books used and they are much cheaper.  For example, they sell used versions of A Guide to Rational Living for $2.00.  Here’s the link  www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0879800429/ref=dp_olp_1/105-0824688-2540469?ie=UTF8&qid=1195426179&sr=1-1

I’m glad you bought the New Mood Therapy and I think you will find it helpful.

You wrote:
I wish that my mother was a nice person who treated me nicely. That is not going to happen either. I am in the process of accepting that
Excellente, Lupita!  You see you are already using “rational thinking”, you just need to keep doing it.  It is so difficult to change the way that we think.  Our parents, family and society have taught us to think in ways which hurt us and we finally come to a point in our lives when we realize that we must change the way we think or else our “irrational”, unhelpful thinking will make us so unhappy and might even make us physically sick. 

I think of you Lupita as starting a new journey in your life in which you are learning to change the way you think, change the way you perceive yourself and other people.  I think as you proceed in this journey, you will feel happier and more peaceful within yourself, but there is also a lot of pain in this journey as we face the truth and step out of denial.  Also, this journey is not like taking an express train.  We don’t immediately go from self defeating, irrational thinking to rational mental health.  Some days are good and some are bad and we make mistakes along the way.  I think it is important to be patient with ourselves, to forgive ourselves for mistakes we make, but learn the lesson and keep going and not give up on ourselves.  We have to show ourselves love, patience and understanding as we grow and make the journey.

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Yes, but, I try to forget, and it comes back, like an obcession because I know that my beans on the table depend on a jerk. And how to control the stomach ache? It comes by ot self. I wish I could push a botton and feel well and not to care. I know a teacher whose students misbehave all the time and she says that hse is very happy. I cant do that.
Lupita, that's an excellent point. I think you are describing the very essence of what it takes to change your thinking and how to move from “irrational” to “rational” thinking.

“Yes, but, I try to forget, and it comes back, like an obcession “
It is difficult to control our thoughts, but what you have to learn here is how to MANAGE and ORGANIZE your thoughts.  You must become CONSCIOUS of your THOUGHTS and realize that your THOUGHTS effect your EMOTIONS and that your EMOTIONS can effect you PHYSICALLY.

So, you try to forget the Pastor, but the THOUGHT of him comes back and then you feel an EMOTION like anger, fear, sadness and then you get a PHYSICAL reaction, like your stomach hurts or you can’t sleep.  So, for right now, just become CONSCIOUS and AWARE that these 3 things (thought, emotion and physical-body reaction) are intertwined and connected.  Because these 3 things are inter-connected (thought, emotion and physical-body reaction), it is so important to become consciously aware of HOW you think (rational or irrational) because it all starts with your thoughts.  Your thoughts trigger your emotions and your emotions can trigger physical reactions in your body (like stomach aches and insomnia).  This is why it is important to MANAGE your thoughts so that you can feel your emotions without having a stomach ache or insomnia.

You don’t want to think about the Pastor, but he is an intrusive thought.  So think about the Pastor and become aware that when you think about the Pastor, you feel emotions like hurt, anger, fear, hate, frustration.  Allow yourself to feel your emotions, don’t run away from your emotions, feel them and own them.  They are your emotions.  But then, start using “rational” thinking and ask yourself “I feel these emotions, but what can I do to feel better so that I won’t have insomnia or a stomach ache?”

You can tell yourself “I realize I feel these emotions (hurt, anger, fear, hate, frustration) because I want the Pastor to be different.  I want the Pastor to like me, help me and compliment me, but I know that will probably not happen.  I know that is not realty.  I know the reality is that the Pastor may want to hurt me and I know that I cannot change the Pastor.  So, what can I do to protect myself against the Pastor so that I won’t feel so bad”?

Maybe at this point, you want to write a list of things you can do to protect yourself, like not letting him hug you, avoiding him, not choosing to give him the power to make you feel bad about yourself, etc.  You should also repeat positive affirmations to yourself.  Now, you may feel better because you have taken back your power, you have a plan for how you will think about and interact with the Pastor so that you no longer feel like his victim.  You are being PROACTIVE and using your power to make yourself feel better and you are no longer being a powerless REACTIVE victim of the Pastor (or the teachers who give you dirty looks or anyone else)

Maybe I can write this in a poster and read it everyday and see if I use it as an affirmation it might sink in my brain. Like Lighter says, fake it till you make it..
Yes, these are great ideas:  make posters for yourself, if you like, get some color markers and paper (arts and crafts supplies) and make yourself some beautiful posters.  Yes, fake it till you make it.  Believe in yourself and take back your power.  Promise yourself that you will no longer give your power away to anyone. 

That I already do, and definitively will keep doing it, since all my behavior is unconscious
I think this is something you have to change:  You must try to become CONSCIOUS of your thoughts, emotions, behavior and how your body reacts to your thoughts, emotions and behavior.  We don’t want to unconsciously sleep walk through life.  We want to be aware and conscious of what and how we think and feel.  This is a skill which takes time to learn, so be patient with yourself.

This is very difficult, since I get paralyzed when somebody is aggressive to me.
Lupita, this journey will be difficult, but you can do it if you want to.  It is very difficult to change our thinking and behavior patterns, but we must.  To go on living as we are is too painful and self defeating (we feel that we suffer), so we want to change.  So, spend time thinking about how you can react next time someone is aggressive.  Remember what I said yesterday:  make a conscious effort to not be physically close to these people and if someone tries to hug you, step back and block their arms, not in a hostile way (they’re not trying to mug you), but in a calm and assertive way and say (in a calm and assertive voice) “please do not hug/touch me because I don’t like it”.  You have to learn to be brave and assert yourself, but not in a hostel way.  Remember, be calm, assertive and SELF CONFIDENT.  If you do not feel self confident, then “fake it till you make it”.

So, those who choose to be mean are just mean people and I cant change them. 
YES, YES, YES!  Correct!

but difficult to believe since people obey him and if he tell them to do dirty work they will do dirty work.
But, they have made a choice to do his dirty work.  Doing his dirty work is their choice.

So hi has power, and it makes me feel bad that he does not like me, because I feel rejected for the one thousand time again. 
Yes, he does have power, but you have to choose to NOT give him power over your emotions.  He has power in the school and church, but he can only have power over your emotions and your soul if you allow him, if you give him YOUR power.  The pastor does not own you and he doesn’t own your mind, your body or your soul.  You are a free woman and you are free to make your own choices in your life.

If I get caught off guard I get paralyzed.
Not getting paralyzed is something you have to work on.  Practice in your mind how you can react in a non-paralyzed way.  Read some books on how to act assertively.  There’s a book on “verbal self defense” called The Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense at Work by Suzette Haden Elgin and here’s the link:  http://www.amazon.com/Gentle-Art-Verbal-Self-Defense-Work/dp/0735200890/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-5018522-7356415?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195431601&sr=1-1.  You can buy a used copy at Amazon for $5 or check the library.

I tell my self, everyday I cannot suffer for them I cannot suffer dor them and I am still suffering.
Learning not to suffer is what you hope to achieve by taking this journey.  Please be patient, it takes time.

This is what happening to me, everybody tells me how I should feel but nobody tells me how to do it.
People can give you suggestions on how to do this, but ultimately, it is up to you to discover “how to do it”.  Realize that you are taking this journey to learn “how to do it”.  You know that if it was so simple that someone could just tell us “how to do it”, then the world would be emotionally healthy and everyone would be happy.  But that’s not realty.  I think one of the main objects of your journey is for YOU to figure out how YOU can “do it” so that you feel happier and won’t feel like you are suffering.

Con mucho amor y de nada.


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Re: Struggle continues
« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2007, 10:21:25 PM »
Dear Observer,
  You "blow me away" with your posts. You are like an angel for Lupita ,who really needed one. You have helped me so much ,too.
   I hope that you stay around.                                     Love    Ami


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« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2007, 10:56:07 PM »
Lupita and Observer-

Observer thank you for the informative posts- what a Godsend!

Lupita, I am so very proud of you taking the next step and taking control of your situation- you are a brave and awesome person, and I know that you are going to reap great benefits from your struggles!!!! I hope that you have a wonderful week and concentrate on YOU and what makes you happy and fulfilled, take care of business, and relax!!! You have won half the battle already Lupita!!!

Love,

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« Reply #52 on: November 19, 2007, 12:14:12 AM »
Hi Lupita,

Just heard a wonderful line from a TV preacher (Joel Osteen?). He was talking about bullies, mean people, naysayers, discouragers, etc. And how we don't need other people to believe in us. We have to believe in ourselves.

You are not what they call you, you are what you answer to.

 :D

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« Reply #53 on: November 19, 2007, 06:08:52 AM »
Hops..... I saw about 15 minutes of Joel Olsteen yesterday morning..... and it was the part about believing in ourselves cause that's where God put the promise.... not in the people we want to validate us. 

We have to validate ourselves, lol.

I'm laughing bc I've never seen this man before and now, not only have I watched a bit of his show..... you brought it up here, on this thread, which is what I was thinking about when I watched.




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« Reply #54 on: November 19, 2007, 06:39:22 AM »
Hi Lupita,

Just heard a wonderful line from a TV preacher (Joel Osteen?). He was talking about bullies, mean people, naysayers, discouragers, etc. And how we don't need other people to believe in us. We have to believe in ourselves.

You are not what they call you, you are what you answer to.

 :D

Hops


Thanks for posting that insight Hops,

My budget does not accommodate having satellite tv (when we go digital ... giving up tv) ... prefer my 'books' budget  :)

You are not what they call you, you are what you answer to.

Yes, that's so very true.

Thank you.

Love, Leah
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« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2007, 06:48:15 AM »

Dear Lupita,

Sending you every heartfelt and sincere good wish for the journey ahead which I just know you will determine to work through having already started on your way.

There will be successes and failures on your journey, but that's all to the good, as we learn so much from our 'mistakes' and 'slip ups' as we choose to simply pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down, and carry on working through.

Wishing you, sincerely, every good thing along the way.

May God be with you every step of the way along your journey to your new life, with new beginnings  :)

Sincerely yours,

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« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2007, 09:33:18 AM »
I guess I have to have some progress in my work, before I can go back to you and ask you for more information. Like I tell my piano students, you have to play something so I can direct you how to play it correctly.

So, I am starting today on vacaiotn, Monday is a good day to start something.

My first step is to read many pages of my books. Maybe 50 pages in each book. Book and owrk book.

The Alber Ellis I will but, next week, as soon as I finish with the ones I have righ tnow.

Steo #2 Posters. I have to go to WalMart and buy material to make posters.

Hang them all over my house, bath room, doors, everywhere.

Also I have to plan my lessons for next week. Maybe I have to go to school to get my books to make a good lesson for next week so I make my students even more interested.

Also Start my diet again. Of course got o dance classes.

Friends, God bless you.

Observer, I am on my way. So, do not go away. The books says it is a 12 week plan. Please, please, be available for 12 weeks.

My depression according to the book is 65 which is very high and they say I need special help, but just to think that I have a plan, makes me feel better, so I do not feel hopeless right now. So, I hope I do not start codepending on you, but I really love your asnwers.

Observer, you are good. Very good.

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« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2007, 09:37:23 AM »
YEAH Lupita.!!!!!!!!!
 
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« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2007, 09:52:41 AM »

Well Done ((( Lupita )))

Sincerely, very very happy for you --- that the mist is clearing and that you now begin to see.

Wonderful, you have made such a wonderful start!

Believe me, there is much light  :idea: shining brightly on your journey ahead.

Perfect, that you are starting out on your journey, in the right place at the right time --- during your vocation week.

Much love,

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« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2007, 09:54:41 AM »
Leah
   I bet that you can get Joel Osteen on the web.I bet that you would like him very much                Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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