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Money Makeovers: Start Where You Are
« on: December 06, 2007, 01:44:29 PM »
REGRET$: On Tayana's 'Suggestions from My T' thread she gave a perfect description of how she does not want to wind up, if she doesn't plan for the future. The constant anxiety. I'm 57, tired of the grind, and didn't plan. If I didn't live with my mother, I'd feel fairly desperate. But things loom. When Mom passes away, I will inherit a mortgage that right now is beyond my means. Plus a car payment, utilities, taxes, and upkeep. I've just sent my D The Last Bailout to get her moved to another state for school. No contributions to my IRA for years now. I have enough put away to live on for about 9 months. Hopefully, retirement would be longer than nine months! So, what do I do now?

DEBT$: I should be able to be out of debt within a year, with belt pulled tight. I just told my D I couldn't fly down to help her unpack, etc.

$TARTING POINT: I have almost conquered the paperwork phobia, which has had everything to do with my years of not taking responsibility for the reality that is my financial life. (THAT part of "Reality is my friend" I never wanted to hear.) I have established a new paperflow system on an old cedar chest in the hallway between my 2 rooms, so piles of paper need never enter my bedroom, which is now to become a sanctuary, not a dumping ground. I have organized files. I have made every possible payment for my mother automatic. I don't balance our checkbooks but I do keep an eye on it.

NEXT TA$K: No more eating out. If I meet friends, I'll have a beer or soup, but not a dinner. No more getting up too late to make lunch, and wasting money at the convenient place across from work. Other than that, there's really no reckless spending. I don't shop. I do a Goodwill Store clothing spree once or twice a year, around $50 a time. I just bought shoes over EBay. My mother's daytime caregiver goes to the grocery for us. I think the food expenses are managed pretty well. But I need to cook more on weekends. Ideally, I could save money by letting her last-hour-of-day companion go, too, except it's such a godsend for me to come home and not face my mother's demands. It has added serenity to the week, but there is a real cost. Have to think about that one. I don't think I should give that up for my own sake. I can now go to a church meeting or meet a friend occasionally, and it's made a big impact on my mental health to not feel so trapped. But it's almost $200 a month. I pay it from her account, but still, any money I save her, also saves me, in the long run. (What doesn't go for her care can go to home upkeep, for example.)

I think I need to set up a Pay Myself First thing. Where money goes into the IRA without my thinking about it, as Tay mentioned. But I've never been sure whether one should do that while one still has debt? I put my side business on hold because I didn't want to spend more on it until my debts were cleared. In the meantime, daughter needed more help for medical things and moving, so there it went.
But now that she's in grad school she will have, at last, health insurance, so I've told her the well is dry.

That's just rambling, but I think it's so helpful to be able to think through things out loud.

FANTA$Y. I have no certainty nor reason to believe it, but it's possible that our old (94) family friend who has no family may leave me something in his will one day. It could be an antique chair. Or nothing. But I do find myself sometimes wondering if there would be that windfall to ease the worry one day. In the meantime, though, "Fantasy is NOT my friend!"

So grateful to Tay and Iphi for starting me thinking about how valuable it could be to share financial issues and advice and strategies -- or just cheerleading -- on the board.

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Re: Money Makeovers: Start Where You Are
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 04:36:38 PM »
Thank You Hoppy-

The Bagworm has used my finances as a form of abuse. His actions have enmeshed me in so many unwanted situations, and have turned things upside down. It can feel like being a moth with it's wings pulled off!I am sometimes ashamed of the position that I am- even my lawyer seems fixated on money and money seems out of my control right now, and keeping this all secret adds to the shame factor as well as the inability to confront things properly. Thank you for giving me yet another gift.

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Re: Money Makeovers: Start Where You Are
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2007, 04:58:05 PM »
Dear Hops,

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I think I need to set up a Pay Myself First thing. Where money goes into the IRA without my thinking about it, as Tay mentioned. But I've never been sure whether one should do that while one still has debt?

Yes, you should save money even while you have debt, especially retirement money.  There's no point in waiting. There may always be some sort of debt or another.

Good for you on all you have done and fix to do!  Great to hear about your new paperwork strategy!
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Re: Money Makeovers: Start Where You Are
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2007, 05:47:40 PM »
Hops, I love this thread.  I'm going to pass on some links if that's okay.  I've found them very helpful.  Here are some of the things that have really helped me.

I can't budget to save my life, but I made a promise to myself to buy as much stuff as possible with cash/check/debit.  I have a "cash" account that I transfer money from my main checking account twice a month, and that is my spending money for the month.  That covers eating out/entertainment/groceries.  I will sometimes cheat on groceries and write a check from my main account, but mostly I try to use the cash account.  It keeps me from spending more than my monthly budget for such things.  It means saying no to eating out to M a lot.  It means no we can't buy this thing you want this month, maybe next time, but it works.

Even though I have debt, I have an automatic deduction setup to transfer money to a savings account.  I use http://www.ingdirect.com, they pay about 5% interest on savings.  The money automatically goes into this account every Monday, and I don't have to worry about it.  It just sits and draws interest, and there have been a few times when I've taken money out to cover my foolishness.

Anything I have worth selling, I've been selling on Ebay for the extra money. 

One of the big money sinkholes are credit cards.  I really don't like credit cards, but they seem to be a necessary evil.  My goal for 2008 is to totally get rid of credit card debt.

I have a couple of blogs that I really like.

http://www.queercents.com
http://www.wisebread.com
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2007, 06:36:40 PM »
I think the Ebay idea is a great one.
If I can figure out how to work the digital camera I was given, I should do it too.

It just seems kind of complicated, but that's from not having tried it...

thanks, Tay. I am going to soak up all the tips and motivation I can get here.

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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2007, 07:06:34 PM »
I too have had thoughts of selling some items on Ebay, surplus to current requirements items, but a little cautious regarding how it works i.e. the sales revenue, as I have heard stories of people not receiving their money, and suchlike.

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Re: Money Makeovers: Start Where You Are
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2007, 07:25:46 PM »
Hops &  Leah,

Selling on Ebay is easy once you get started. There is a forum that you can read first, with a section specially for newbies, and the ordinary help pages are easy to follow. Start with an item or two that you don't really care about (whether you sell it or not, I mean). Something cheap. Then 'play' with the system. Good images are essential (would you buy an item if it's in dark shadow, with a background of someone's sofa?). If you haven't got one yet, set up a Paypal account first (that takes about a fortnight), so that people can pay you easily (you also get better back-up from Ebay for bad debtors if they used Paypal). If you haven't bought on Ebay either yet, then buy a couple of cheap items first, too, to see how the email and payment process works.(Just don't buy vintage embroidery transfers, because *I* want them!).

The Ebay and Paypal fees seem a bit steep at first - it's not really worth selling any item for under about 1.50 GBP (3 USdollars), because the fees can be that much. Weigh each item you're going to sell, and make sure the postage cost you charge will really cover the cost of posting the item.


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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2007, 09:16:47 PM »

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to say that I've done some selling on eBay.  I think it is essential to determine ahead of time whether you're doing it for fun with the hope of turning a buck or two or if you want to treat it as a business that generates serious revenue.  My advice for selling on eBay would be, make a plan and work your plan  from the start.   Decide on things like how much time you have to give to the effort.  How you'll keep track of your inventory.  Which day you will package.  Which day you'll ship.  Set a $ goal that you hope to achieve.  Think about how you'll feel if it ends up not being profitable, or not suitable to your needs. 

Having a space to work from where you don't have to walk around the items you have listed.  The thrill of that first dozen or so sales wears off and it becomes WORK!  :shock:  Not trying to discourage anyone.  eBay works, but doing eBay IS work.

Hops, if you have a reputable and good consignment store close by, you might consider that as a way to make a few extra $.  They usually do a 60/40.  You get the 60.  When it's all over and done and you weigh the time and effort involved in packaging and shipping, what you make at a consignment store isn't too much less than what you'd make on eBay.  That is unless you have a specialty item where the bids are bound to shoot up.   I heard the story of a guy here who listed a rare edition book (only 2500 printed) on Daytona Beach Racing.  It went for over $200.  Title:  High Speed at Low Tide, Fielden.

Kindest regards,

tt

 
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2007, 10:46:46 AM »
I've been selling on Ebay for several years.  TT had some great tips.  Here's a few more. 

Because of the cost of listing, selling and the time involved, I make a point of not listing things I won't make money on.  So I don't list many items for less than $10.  Unless it's something I know will sell, like a lot of homeschool materials a few months ago that I listed really cheap and sold for over $100.  Things that sell really well on Ebay: electronics (even broken ones, people buy for parts or to refurbish and resell), craft supplies and books (current ones though), designer clothing and shoes (even gently used), cookware, some brands of dishes, popular or hard to find patterns.  Collectibles are sort of hit or miss dependings on what's popular. 

Ebay is a lot of work, and it can get expensive.  When I started, it was a much better marketplace than it is now, and I made more money.  If you aren't willing to put in a lot of time, try listing between 5-10 items at a time.  There's no guarantee they will all sell, especially if you are a new seller, but that seems to be a good number time wise.  I also tend to avoid selling large items on Ebay. I sold a bike once, and that was a nightmare to ship.

Scavenge boxes and packing from workplaces, or if you're in the US you can use the USPS flat rate boxes.  It's 8.95 to ship no matter how much stuff is in the box.  In my opinion the post office is the cheapest way to ship, and if you do international items, the post office doesn't charge extra tariffs.  I thought I was saving myself a headache by shipping large items UPS, and I discovered that my buyers got charged extra tariffs if they were out of the country.

The majority of buyers on Ebay are honest and pretty nice, but the more you do it, the more likely you'll get someone who doesn't pay or whose prickly to deal with.  I've been harassed before.  I ended up getting a couple of buyers kicked off the site.  It's just like any retail situation.  You'll have good folks and bad folks, but most are okay.  Communication is essential though.

One note about consignment stores:  Often (especially with clothing) these store will donate items after they've been in inventory or if they aren't the sorts of things they want.  I also take handbags, shoes and some clothing to a consignment store near me.  It's a 60/40 split.  I get the 40, but anything I haven't sold is donated to charity after 60 days.  I just thought I'd point that out.  Just check out the store's policies before putting stuff in.  Other stores have different policies.  I just had a bunch of clothes that didn't fit or that I wasn't going to wear and put them on consignment.  I was sort of the opinion that if I sold them, that was okay, and if they got donated, that was fine too.
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2007, 10:53:18 AM »
Hops &  Leah,

Selling on Ebay is easy once you get started. There is a forum that you can read first, with a section specially for newbies, and the ordinary help pages are easy to follow. Start with an item or two that you don't really care about (whether you sell it or not, I mean). Something cheap. Then 'play' with the system. Good images are essential (would you buy an item if it's in dark shadow, with a background of someone's sofa?). If you haven't got one yet, set up a Paypal account first (that takes about a fortnight), so that people can pay you easily (you also get better back-up from Ebay for bad debtors if they used Paypal). If you haven't bought on Ebay either yet, then buy a couple of cheap items first, too, to see how the email and payment process works.(Just don't buy vintage embroidery transfers, because *I* want them!).

The Ebay and Paypal fees seem a bit steep at first - it's not really worth selling any item for under about 1.50 GBP (3 USdollars), because the fees can be that much. Weigh each item you're going to sell, and make sure the postage cost you charge will really cover the cost of posting the item.


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Thanks Janet,

Have used Ebay to purchase a few items -- books  :)

And have a PayPal account also.

The money receipts and receiving the money from PayPal was my concern regarding the selling of certain items surplus to requirements.

Can understand the good images aspect as I would certainly dismiss anything blurry or overshadowed.

As PayPay takes care of any potential bad debtors then that's eased my concern considerably.

Will have to get cracking and organized.

Tried to include a picture on my posting to no avail  :(

Just picture a treasure chest filled with coins!

Love, Leah

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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2007, 11:00:38 AM »
Leah, I had to switch the type of my paypal account over to a business account when I started selling on Ebay.  I'm not sure if you still have to do that or not.  The fees really aren't too bad.  I think it's about 1-3% of your selling price.  You can also sign up to earn interest on your paypal balance.  Having a paypal account to accept things this way increases your selling potention on Ebay.
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2007, 11:05:01 AM »
Leah, I had to switch the type of my paypal account over to a business account when I started selling on Ebay.  I'm not sure if you still have to do that or not.  The fees really aren't too bad.  I think it's about 1-3% of your selling price.  You can also sign up to earn interest on your paypal balance.  Having a paypal account to accept things this way increases your selling potention on Ebay.


Hello Tayana,

Was just posting as your post came up so started again  :)

Just to say, thanks for all your earlier information, and thank you for this vital info too.

Earning interest on ones PayPal balance would be important.

My thoughts now is the question as to how long does PayPal hang on to ones money assuming PayPal transfers ones money into ones Bank Account on a regular basis?

Many thanks again, very much appreciated.

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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2007, 11:10:21 AM »

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to say that I've done some selling on eBay.  I think it is essential to determine ahead of time whether you're doing it for fun with the hope of turning a buck or two or if you want to treat it as a business that generates serious revenue.  My advice for selling on eBay would be, make a plan and work your plan  from the start.   Decide on things like how much time you have to give to the effort.  How you'll keep track of your inventory.  Which day you will package.  Which day you'll ship.  Set a $ goal that you hope to achieve.  Think about how you'll feel if it ends up not being profitable, or not suitable to your needs. 

Having a space to work from where you don't have to walk around the items you have listed.  The thrill of that first dozen or so sales wears off and it becomes WORK!  :shock:  Not trying to discourage anyone.  eBay works, but doing eBay IS work.

Kindest regards,

tt
 


Dear TT,

Many thanks for your valued information which I am taking on board.

Truly, very much appreciated.

Love, Leah

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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2007, 11:21:23 AM »
LEah, I generally just let the money sit in my paypal account.  Sort of like an emergency fund.  You can either transfer it to a bank account, or they'll cut you a check.  To do an electronic transfer takes about four days from start to finish.  It's about the same as direct deposit into your bank account.  I used to do that all the time.
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Re: Money Makeovers: Start Where You Are
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2007, 11:23:37 AM »
I think probably EBay's not my answer.
But it's interesting info.

I'd love other financial management tips and perhaps cost-cutting measures...or more websites.

Thanks for those Tay, they are great. Although one of them does seem to be about shopping...

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