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les

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« on: June 29, 2004, 06:28:37 PM »
Summer is here and I feel like I should invite the people who have had my husband and I to dinner - for a barbeque or drinks or something. I've always found "entertaining" very difficult. If people just drop by it's easier - if we only have crackers and cheese nobody minds. I feel very much like a recluse. I remember reading that children of alcoholics are just tired and find socializing to be a strain, in my case, child of two N's/alcoholics. It is the anticipating that I dread the most.
 
I feel like I "should" be more social. But I also feel like I could live a very quiet life and be quite content. I try to wiggle out of events.  I wonder why I think the quiet life is less valid - it is what I yearn for but right now am really beating myself up for it.  But still I avoid doing anything.  Stuck.

Does anybody relate to this?

Les - the closet monk

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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2004, 06:57:10 PM »
I'm quite antisocial. The thought of entertaining is anathema to me. Once in a blue moon someone comes over: a neighbor, my cousin, or something. That's all we can deal with. Some people love having guests over but I'm not one of them. I'm sort of a hermit and that's how I like it. Sometimes I feel like a social misfit but then I get over it.

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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2004, 06:57:12 PM »
Don't feel that way. I personally would rather just relax and read on my deck than throw parties. My Nmother was/is a big social entertainer and everything has to be an event. I was always her help when growing up and never seemed to do things well enough. My husband likes to have people over, his family and so on and that's fine. But I'm another one who just prefers peace and quiet.

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2004, 07:36:22 PM »
Hi Les,

I've heard you "voice" this sentiment before. It's something I've given a lot of thought to because by nature, I'm not a social person. To be honest, I think our society is biased towards people who are extroverts. And it's something that's always chagrined me.

I've even heard it said that being shy or socially reclusive is a form of selfishness. I've never bought this for a second. Why do we have to be anything but what we are?

I'm not sure if it has anything to do with N or alcoholic parents. Sort of the nature vs. nurture question I guess. That then begs the question of what point in our lives the personality is formed. Is our personality there from day one or is it formed in early childhood? Being from a family with 8 kids, I can tell you we all have very different personalities.

People who are extroverts draw their energy from people. Intoverts do not draw their energy from people. In fact if you're like me, being around people too long wears you out. I can only take so much time with people before I have to retreat.

But I think we were made this way for a reason. Extroverts usually have gross motor skills (entertainers and operating large machinary) while introverts usually have fine motor skills (like sculpting or surgery, etc.). If everyone was meant to be the same, we wouldn't have people to do the necessary jobs in life.

But I think it's very difficult because our present day society has such a bias towards extroversion. This is not just my opinion, I've done reading on it. And if you go to Dictionary.com and use the thesauris with introvert it brings up nouns such as: autist, brooder, creep, drip, egotist, narcissist (yep), oddball, weirdo, wet blanket and wimp. How do you like that????LOL
It doesn't have such blantant bias towards extroversion. It's ridiculous.

I am all out of patience, personally ,with all these people who want to be pop or reality tv stars and all those wanting their 15 minutes of fame. Sheesh..enough. I myself would rather have a quiet, comtemplative life. I'm sick of this overdose of in your face, I need to be seen quality that seems to occupy so many in our culture. And I'm just generally disatisfied with society in general. It's so course so much of the time.

I'm sure that was way more than you bargained for, Les. You probably do have to reciprocate of course, but maybe you can do it with a minimum of a time committment (dinner is what I'm referring to here). And I just can't hardly be sandblasted out of my house for any social do-dad these days. Been there, done that. I'm through with trying to do the social thing...besides people couldn't care less about my big talk (I'm bad at small talk). Most people discuss stuff I have not one iota of interest in. So really what's the point except for a small, select few.

I have read also that introverts usually like talking on the phone and writing instead of in person contact as well. What I'm trying to say is be the best INFP you can and don't sweat the social stuff. I've stopped wiggling. I just don't committ to go in the first place because I know I will wiggle out of it. LOL.

Your fellow wiggler,

MM

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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2004, 10:10:44 PM »
Hi everybody,

Random thoughts as a fellow shut-in:

1. teachers get very concerned about "social isolates" as they call them/us.  One of my children is just like me and it's kind of interesting to watch her go along with the crowd and then get turned off when they don't give her her "turn" to decide what game to play.  She then goes off to do something alone.

2. I like that someone pointed out that many very interesting occupations require a lot of alone time.  So true.

3. A suggestion for those who feel obligated to entertain: go to a restaurant or have a picnic.  Part of my reluctance is feeling evaluated when company comes over.  Not all of us are decorators either.  Can't stand the scrutiny.

4.  I am encouraged by an increase in books about introversion and its plus sides.  

Best, Seeker

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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2004, 10:14:10 PM »
I'm not sure if it has anything to do with N or alcoholic parents

After having said that, I want to acknowledge I have nothing to back that up. That is just my wondering out loud on the board. I remember always being at my Mother's service....make me a cup of tea (this 10 times a day) and always being burdened with a lot of household duties and dealing with my younger sibs. So maybe it IS fatigue. Does your beauty queen Mom still drink?

MM

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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2004, 12:54:33 AM »
This topic is very interesting since I have been struggling with "the wiggling" thing myself. I caught myself on many occasions do this with my very own family and best friends!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just noticed one day about a month ago that when I committed to doing something "social" I would or have almost always tried to get out of it. I am not sure why I noticed it. I have many friends and my family loves me and my kids dearly. I have a new job and most of the people if not all of my co-workers like me and want to be social and we always sit together or walk on our lunch hour. I would'nt call myself an extrovert, by nature I am very shy. But life has made it so that I have to be social in almost every aspect of my life. I am a people person and I love to help people ( within limits these days) but I need my alone time just as much.  I believe tiredness has something to do with it because I come from a family where my dad was gone alot and my mom has manic depression with schophenia. We didn't do anything the first 15 years of my life because my mom was afraid to leave the house ( she had alot of problems and me being the oldest I got to play mom to younger sibilings and do the things she couldn't do because of her "condition") I have also gotten divorced (we were married 17 years) from a man that is alcoholic to the core and I recently gotten out of a long term relationship with an N. So as I find this topic interesting, I also find myself perplexed at myself for feeling wrong about the way I feel about "get togethers" and parties and barbeques! I am not sure if it is wrong or I am feeling an emotion I am not sure how to identify? Anyway thanks for letting me vent, Any thoughts? Have a great rest of the week!!! kelly

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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2004, 10:04:21 AM »
kelly,

Since you're a likable person, you're invited to social functions. It doesn't follow, however, that you want to attend the functions. It doesn't mean you hate or reject these friends. You simply don't want to socialize: you're tired, need to refuel, feel oppressed by the idea, etc. That's okay. If these people really like you, they'll understand. I turn down nearly every invitation and no one dies from it. Well, they may stop inviting me at some point. But I can always reverse that situation if I want to.

bunny

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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2004, 11:29:13 AM »
Hi les,

I have some thoughts that popped into my mind when I read your post.  I completely understand why you would feel the way you do.  You were brought up in a house with not just one parent that was dysfunctional; you had both of them that were missing some pieces of their mentoring puzzle.

How many times did you get all excited over a social event only to have your excitement snuffed out by something they did or something they said to you during or after the event?  I would venture to guess that they picked you apart over the way you acted in front of someone or the way you spoke to someone.  They probably critiqued your every move while neglecting to accept responsibility for their own actions or words that might have been said to someone at the social event.

This would make anyone gun shy to socialize.  Perhaps you are worried that your guests are going to critique your every move just like your parents did?  Les, this is probably the way a lot of people think about social events whether they are hosting the event or attending it.  I personally always wonder if the food is going to be good, am I going to wear something that looks right, are the people going to have a good time, …….etc.  Ya know what Les; it took me many years to get it in my head that not everyone has the time or the energy to worry about what I fix for dinner, what I wear, and what I say.  Not everyone is going to have negative feedback when it comes to my hosting skills and if they do, I finally realized that all I needed to do is scratch that person off of the next guest list.  If these people have enough time to worry about what I do or don’t do right, then FUG UM, they need not come back for the next one.

If you stop and think about it, it is very understandable why some people would chose to avoid a situation in fear of feeling rejection.  Especially if their past experiences have been full of disappointments.  Just the fact that you are invited to events leads me to believe that these people enjoy your company and they feel you are worthy to be apart of their social group.  

I have had people over and burnt things, I have had people over and not been ready when they get there, I have had a few people over and not been in a hosting mood, but you know what, true friends understand that chit happens.  These are the people who are worthy of being my friends.  Anyone who has horrible things to say about everyone or everything, those are the people that I try to avoid.

I personally feel that maybe you are scared of having horrible experiences like you had in your childhood.  The great thing about being an adult is that you have total control over your life.  You can chose whom you have to be around and you can spin your ars around and walk away from those who continue to make you feel like crap about yourself.

Les, cook your little heart out, invite over FRIENDS, slap on a party outfit, and sit back and enjoy.  If perhaps you have a bad experience at an event, realize that you have the next one and another one after that.  Not everyone is perfect and in fact I have never met a perfect person in my entire life.  If you just sit back and look around when you go to someone else’s house, maybe it will help you realize that they too have things that were not perfect.  It is what you do with their imperfections that show what kind of person you are.  You will see them, that’s a given because nobody can please everyone all of the time.  Keeping your comments to yourself or to your significant other is the appropriate thing to do and if by chance you experience someone that blabs their mouths about your imperfections, then you know the only way to solve that is to keep those people at arms length.

Friends and worthy loved ones understand and accept our imperfections.  Foes search for our imperfections to make themselves feel like they are above us.  Me personally, I would much rather have 2 good friends then to have 126 whining jerks who profess to be friends.  My gosh, it took me many attempts at friendships to realize that if you use all of your emotional energy on your acquaintances, you have none left for yourself.  Friends and acquaintances rank differently in my life.  I am civil to all if all are civil to me.  If someone sits around and picks me apart then I pick to kick them out of my world.  I have not the time or the emotional energy to waste on people who behave like that.

Party down Les, you obviously have earned your title as a friend to these people.  If they did not like you, I am sure they wouldn’t invite you nor attend your invites.  You have earned your title as a friend despite your parents attempts to make you believe that you were only worthy of being a foe.  

Sincerely,
Jaded
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2004, 05:05:57 PM »
Oh you guys, you wonderful, wise guys.  I am beat at the moment (spent last day teaching, in the park, making pizza, playing frizbee, and generally "hosting" an event for 40 adults and their children. I am bushed and literally voiceless at the moment!

Much to think about - off the top - Jaded - What you said made me really STOP and think about what criticisms I am expecting will be hurled my way or whispered on the way home...and I realized very few of these people that  I MIGHT invite over would be like that. So where is this negativity and fear coming from? Aha! It's in me of course, that bloody editor sitting on my shoulder telling me I'm not cutting the onions correctly and so forth.  WHo the F cares! Me, I suppose but I'm stumped because I don't know what IS RIGHT. And then I remember there is no ONE RIGHT WAY. Note to self: must read more books on imperfection. The problem for me I think is not that I need to be perfect, I just need to be middling to fair. Not a total moron - I'd settle for that. I literally couldn't scratch myself, wash a plate, sweep the floor without instructions from HER on HOW to do it correctly, even now, even now.   Must have had an effect. I think I need to acknowledge just how much it did, move on and trust myself a bit more.

I wonder, since hosting a gathering is such HIGH ART  these days if a lot of people, ACON or not aren't a bit intimidated.

Kelly - you make me think about how we learn about being social or not in our childhood. OR maybe I should say learn to be at ease with lots of people coming and going...or not.  What a time for you growing up, my god. Reading your post I realize that emotionally, we need time to rest and  rebuild. We can't always be putting out. What would you do just for yourself I wonder?  My husband's mother was Manic depressive, took lots and lots of naps and retreats to the local psychiatric hospital. So his house was very quiet. He doesn't like to entertain either but is well liked.- big difference really.

I too have a social "isolate" daughter I believe you said Seeker. I have worried terribly about her because she was quite agoraphobic for awhile but thankfully at almost 25 is out in the world and managing.  Like her parents she avoids parties and is quite content alone.  She got a double dose of quiet/shy genes from us I guess.

MM - thanks for keeping track of me! I voiced this before?  If it's a week old it seems everything in my life is new again! I figure it will save on book purchases and trips to the library. Just keep recycling 3 or 4 good books! Ok, back to the topic, fellow wiggler. You, as always, make some interesting points. Yes, why should "shyness" or reclusiveness be judged selfish. Good question.  For me, time and peacefullness allow me to open and more fully connect and appreciate this extraordinary thing we are doing here, living on Earth. I revel in time to contemplate...ah, that golden afternoon sunlight again. What an interesting thought - that extoverts have certain gross motor skills, introverts perhaps more fine motor -(inner voice saying geeze, I didn't get either) Left handed INFP!  LHINFP.

Bless you Bunny - "I'm sort of a hermit and like it that way." Well if it's good enough for Bunny it's good enough for me!

Les

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2004, 09:22:33 AM »
Stop worrying about it and accept you just don't like entertaining. It's just not you. and that's OK.

That's what I do, and I avoid those situations if I can, and manage to get through them if I can't.

It really is OK to be who you are

best wishes
Jessie

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2004, 09:40:50 AM »
It really is ok to be who you are.

Words to live by.  I know I am just beginning to get comfortable with the idea.

Thank you Jessie. I think we all need to be reminded of this simple yet profound truth - for me, every day, every hour maybe.
Les

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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2004, 09:50:04 AM »
Hi all,

Jessie, I think you have a very good point.  There is nothing wrong with being a home body vs. a social butterfly.  I Absolutely agree with that as long as it is what you want and not what you have been led to believe you deserve.

I don't know how to say this so I can only give an example:  I am a golfer, (well, lol, sorta) and one time I was on an outing with several people.  I walk up to the tee, swing, now mind you the hole was to my left, my ball went so far right that It could have perhaps been considered my left.  Not a pretty sight and I mean it when I say I about knocked over 55 people with that damn thing.  LOL!!  I believe it was a par 4, it took me 20 shots to get it out of the trees, over the creek, up the hill, yada yada.  There were a couple of die hard rich ping club carrying doctors on that outing with me and I could have just crawled through all 20 shots by the time they were done with their better then though comments.

There has never been a Tee that I walk up to that I do not think of THE TEE!!  I start sweating, heart starts pounding, flashbacks of the comments they made and by golly ya know what, I have avoided golf as much as I can since that time.  I am an above average female golfer so summin it up I just had a chit shot.  Oh Ya, forgot to mention the cold drinks that we were drinking, Im sure that didnt help my aim when the entire green was spinning to and fro!!!!   :wink:

I try to avoid golf because I never want to feel the way I did at that moment ever ever ever again.

If people have had a bad experience in a social setting, perhaps this might be why they are avoiding it.

If they chose to stay home because they would rather have a kicked back night, then more power to them.

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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2004, 09:51:21 AM »
That golfer up yonder, it was me.  I have no clue how I get logged off at times.

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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2004, 04:42:33 PM »
I liked the idea of a friend who wrote barbecue 5-8 pm on her invitations, it's something I'll use in the future.

For me its the lack of being in control of when people will leave sometimes gets me anxious, especially if its not people I want to spend a lot of time with.

Or you could take people out somewhere, socialise away from home, so you can leave when you've had enough.

Or you could just smile and accept that you don't want people over and reciprocate in other ways, a gift or thoughtful gesture.