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Ami

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Finally getting a handle on 'bad' thinking
« on: January 17, 2008, 08:04:45 PM »
I read that people in mental institutions often feel like they are "bad" for" normal" thoughts and emotions. I am just starting to be able to let "bad" thoughts go by and not think that the thoughts make ME bad.
  I am starting to let them go by.
  By bad thoughts ,I mean selfishness, self centeredness, jealousy, greed etc---all things from the ego (or flesh--Blblical term)
  I feel more of a peace today. I know that I have asked this before, but I would love to hear from anyone who can relate. Thanks so much .                       Ami
 
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: Finally getting a handle on 'bad' thinking
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2008, 08:25:37 PM »
Ami - take the time to read this excerpt from the AA big book:

It is long but it may help. Alcoholics are considered disordered metally, emotionally and physically, it even calls us outright mental defects in the big book - but as you can see from this reading that it is quite normal or OK...we grow, we don't get perfect.


Notice how many times this chapter uses the word "self."

Lise

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The first requirement is that we be convinced that any life run on self-will can hardly be a success. On that basis we are almost always in collision with something or somebody, even though our motives are good. Most people try to live by self-propulsion. Each person is like an actor who wants to run the whole show; is forever trying to arrange the lights, the ballet, the scenery and the rest of the players in his own way. If his arrangements would only stay put, if only people would do as he wished, the show would be great. Everybody, including himself, would be pleased. Life would be wonderful. In trying to make these arrangements our actor may sometimes be quite virtuous. He may be kind, considerate, patient, generous; even modest and self-sacrificing. On the other hand, he may be mean, egotistical, selfish and dishonest. But, as with most humans, he is more likely to have varied traits.

What usually happens? The show doesn't come off very well. He begins to think life doesn't treat him right. He decides to exert himself more. He becomes, on the next occasion, still more demanding or gracious, as the case may be. Still the play does not suit him. Admitting he may be somewhat at fault, he is sure that other people are more to blame. He becomes angry, indignant, self-pitying. What is his basic trouble? Is he not really a self-seeker even when trying to be kind? Is he not a victim of the delusion that he can wrest satisfaction and happiness out of this world if he only manages well? Is it not evident to all the rest of the players that these are the things he wants? And do not his actions make each of them wish to retaliate, snatching all they can get out of the show? Is he not, even in his best moments, a producer of confusion rather than harmony?

Our actor is self-centered, ego-centric, as people like to call it nowadays. He is like the retired business man who lolls in the Florida sunshine in the winter complaining of the sad state of the nation; the minister who sighs over the sins of the twentieth century; politicians and reformers who are sure all would be Utopia if the rest of the world would only behave; the outlaw safe cracker who thinks society has wronged him; and the alcoholic who has lost all and is locked up. Whatever our protestations, are not most of us concerned with ourselves, our resentments, or our self-pity?

Selfishness, self-centeredness! That, we think, is the root of our troubles. Driven by a hundred forms of fear, self-delusion, self-seeking, and self-pity, we step on the toes of our fellows and they retaliate. Sometimes they hurt us, seemingly without provocation, but we invariably find that at some time in the past we have made decisions based on self which later placed us in a position to be hurt.


Ami

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Re: Finally getting a handle on 'bad' thinking
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2008, 08:32:47 PM »
Lise,
 Could you ,please, explain your point ,more specifically. I must have an emotional denseness(wouldn't be the first time--lol).
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No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: Finally getting a handle on 'bad' thinking
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2008, 08:43:08 PM »
Hi, Ami,

I can tell you how I handle those bad thoughts, if that might help...

You know how the Bible says to cast down vain imaginations?

Well, that's how I manage my bad thoughts (when I'm successful at it and choose deliberately not to nurture them).

I mentally cast them down. Hey, if it helps, make some arm motions along with the mental activity, as though throwing something forcefully to the ground. When it hits, stomp on it even... whatever it takes.

I do this by saying to myself, "That thought, that vain imagination, bad desire, whatever, does not fit who I am in Christ."

Hope that helps.

Love,
Carolyn

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Re: Finally getting a handle on 'bad' thinking
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2008, 08:45:10 PM »
No Ami - you do not have an emotional denseness...I was not all that clear in response to what you wrote.

All I was trying to say is that it is not so much N like to be jealous or selfish etc....but human like and normal.

Does that help, my dearest....

Love,
Lise

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Re: Finally getting a handle on 'bad' thinking
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2008, 08:46:40 PM »
more...

So when you have a N thought, instead of labeling it Nish...perhaps you could see yourself as just humanish?

Lise

Ok - on modification...I see that is exactly what you are saying....I'm punchy tonght...forgive me.

I'm sure that I can relate...I am hard on myself when I see myself have a prideful thought - but  I am just human and prone to error so I should not shame myself....is that it?

Lise
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Ami

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Re: Finally getting a handle on 'bad' thinking
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2008, 09:00:31 PM »
I am humanish! Say it 100 times. I am humanish........... I will let you know how it worked,Lise.(lol)
 Seriously,Lise, YOUR answer was just the type of thing I was looking for. Thanks so, very much.         Love   Ami


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No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung