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axa

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Voiceless Hermes
« on: February 03, 2008, 06:14:37 AM »
Hi Hermes,

I cannot find the thread where you described your experience at school so I have started a new one as I wanted to respond.

I also went to a convent school run by Irish Catholic nuns.  What I learned at that school was I would never be anything.  I can still hear the world"...... you will never be anything and you came from such a beautiful family"  Well they were wrong but it was a hard battle.  I remember the rules, rules, rules grounded in nonsensce.  I was ridiculed and punished for asking questions.  It was suggested on many occasions verbally and physically that I learn to keep my mouth shut.  I never really did and this is the part of me I love.  The part which did not give up and crumble under the regime of abuse. 

Throughout my life (I grew up in an N family) I have sought out people, unwittingly, who have tried to silence me and deny my autonomy.  Sometimes my life has felt like an exercise in showing the world I AM HERE.  I see the patterns I played out, going from on arena of abuse to another but I have moved through it.  I am left suspicious, cautious, untrusting of others but also able to laugh, learn, engage with others.  I think the legacy for me is a terror of intimacy.  I made some very bad judgments in the past with whom I trusted and now feel that I need to learn to look to myself for the trust and care I have not experienced in the world. 

I am an adventurer though and have not given up..... sometimes I think it is only beginning.  Occasionally, I let myself daydream of what my life would have been like if I had been nurtured and loved in my childhood and you know what, I think I would have been joy itself because through all of this I still can be joyful.  On the other hand, maybe I needed to go through what I did to know that small joyful part of me that still exists.

Rambling but recognising the voicelessness that was imposed on you in the name of education xx

Slan,

axa

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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2008, 07:59:00 AM »
Dear Axa,
  I am so sorry that you were squelched ,at such a young age. I bet that you had a beautiful, adventurous spirit. Those nuns played out their fear and bitterness on you. We,as children, believe the adults ,and that is our downfall,isn't it?
 I know the  fear of intimacy.
  I am realizing that I have to be strong,in order to be vulnerable--a big paradox. Intimacy(letting s/one see me) requires enough strength to be OK ,if they don't like me, reject me or humiliate me. I will not be intimate (emotionally) with s/one if their opinion matters TOO much .
  When I know that I can love myself ,without their approval of me, then I can be  more intimate. I have experiences the most beautiful emotional intimacies ,lately.
  I had cut myself off from people ,for a long time. When I was with people, I was a false self. I was a false self ,to myself ,too, which was worse.
 Now, I am trying out my real self and I am touching other people's 'real" selves. It is one of the greatest joys of life.
                                                                            Love, Ami
 
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2008, 08:24:22 AM »
Hi Axa,

Likewise, I went to a Catholic Convent school run by Irish Catholic nuns.  Retreats, silence and prayer, with fasting, and catechism, was the norm.

I left, and renounced, roman catholicism some years ago now, and have never looked back.

Aside from the negative aspects, for a balanced view, in my own personal life, the one thing that I remain grateful for, well two in fact, is the moral teaching, which kept me on the straight path in life, and also, the superb education, that I so enjoyed, and benefited from, in my life.

Slan

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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2008, 08:26:00 AM »
Thank you so very much Axa and CB.  I feel the better for your kind words.

The fact that I was at a boarding convent school was all the worse, of course.  The day pupils at least went home in the evening to their families.  Funny how after so many years those five short years can still trigger those memories.  
As I have said before I was fortunate in that I hd good, indeed wonderful, parents.  However, it was the usual thing back then, if a father could afford it,  to send your daughter away to a boarding school for education.  
Having left the voiceless ambience of that school, it takes a little while to find a voice, but one does.

Thanks again
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2008, 09:09:21 AM »
Just a few more lines on the voiceless school. L.

Everything, but everything, was a sin.  And certainly if anything was "fun" it was definitely a sin!  LOL.  We heard a lot about "entertaining bad thoughts" (aren't bad thoughts SO entertaining LOL!), and occasions of sin (geeze we never saw a man from one end of term to the other, except maybe our fathers or sometimes a brother), so any occasions of sin would be few and far between. 
But worse than all that was the constant being "put in your place", not being allowed a voice, no dissent, being often wrongly accused, and not being able to even say: " I did not do that".  I know some of us were really "downed" because it was obvious we were not cowed by that kind of treatment.  Again, as with all tyrants, it is about power. 
Since you could not put up a defense, in my case I developed "the look".  (I am told I still produce it at times LOL).  I just looked down my nose at them as they harangued me, and that really just got to them.  I never cried, and I remember school friends whispering to me:; "Don't give them the satisfaction of seeing any tears".  Neither did I ever cry on returning there after the holidays, as many girls did.  I would hear girls crying under the covers in the dormitory at night, and I was determined that I would never do that.  So, I was disliked for not giving them the satisfaction of showing any sign of hurt. 

Of course, all of this was happening in the name of "religion", "god", "our lord".  I call it sheer craziness.

All the best
Hermes

I don't think I learnt anything about morality there, it now seems to me like very amoral teaching. 

Sure, from an intellectual viewpoint, the education was good.  Still, I feel that a little sympathy towards the pupils, all in that difficult time that is the teens, would have gone a long way to providing a good emotional education.


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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2008, 09:27:13 AM »
Hello again CB:

Yes, I think you would enjoy a trip to Ireland.  There are many beautiful places, still a lot of unspoilt countryside.  The country has become very cosmopolitan, Dublin in particular.  There is a great buzz.  You may though find it very different to the Ireland many imagine.  The standard of living is very high, it is the most expensive country in Europe (with Finland I think), and it has become a very secular country. 
It is a great place, with good points and less good points, like everywhere else.

All the best
Hermes

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2008, 09:36:10 AM »
Hello again:

Another thing is that my mother also went to a convent boarding school (as did her sisters), and to a different order entirely.  M had nothing good to say about that experience either, and she was scandalised by the way the "good sisters" treated the less fortunate, such as orphans.   I suspect that in her way M was a free thinker too. 

All the best
Hermes

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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2008, 09:59:35 AM »
Dear Hermes,
  I think that the WORST abuse is when they do it in the '"name of God." I am glad that I grew up, bascially, agnostic, when I hear of your very,unfortunate experiences. I am so sorry, Hermes.                     Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2008, 10:25:50 AM »
Well, CB, Ireland is like no where else, and I know you would love it here.  The scenery is actually as you see it in pictures, maybe even better, when you are actually standing in it, looking around you.  The people are still very hospitable, conversational and outgoing.  But be prepared: the Irish have sharp wit, and travel the corridors of conversation at breackneck speed LOL
Quite a few North American tourists come here every year, but I think it is rather a pity that they tend to stay in a big international hotel in Dublin (like The Four Seasons), and they are bussed here and there to the "typical" places, so they do not have much interraction with the Irish, or enjoy the fun of staying in an Irish guesthouse, with the Irish themselves. 

I hope you can realise your dream and come here sometime. 
Hermes


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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2008, 10:43:19 AM »
Thank you, Ami.  That was kind of you.  You show understanding of what I am saying.

When I left that school, I hit the ground running, as they say.  I went to college, as did a few of my old school friends, who are still friends today.  First thing was to have a boyfriend (my,my, that forbidden territory so preached against at the school LOL).  So, I went all out.  I met, and dated for quite a while, a man of 34, (15 years older than me).  He was a professional, very nice, good-looking, great humour, he was very taken with me, and we had some great times.  I look back on that time with huge fondness.  I think he had ideas of marriage in mind (and he knew my family) but I had other plans for myself!  LOL.  Anyhow, he did a lot to offset those dreadful school years. 

All the best to you
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2008, 10:48:50 AM »
Dear Hermes,
  It is so sad that we are "prisoners" of our conditioning until  we can "see" (have awareness). Usually we have made SO many mistakes by that time, though(LOL).
  We have had so much misery and the misery drives us to face the truth., Many of us seem to have come to the board at this stage.
  When I think how "dumb" I was to marry my H with ALL those red flags. Even my NM told me to run.
  I had such dumb thinking and I paid for it all-----in spades, as we all did, Hermes.
  I think that I can be whole ,now, though. We get second chances.                Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2008, 10:49:14 AM »
And Ami, thank you yet again, for taking time from your own awful troubles, loss and suffering to find a moment to post to me.  I truly appreciate it.

Hugs
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2008, 10:50:25 AM »
Oh Hermes,
  It is MY pleasure.                         Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2008, 03:28:13 PM »
Ugh, Hermes...I was completely traumatized by an Episcopalian school.

I can't imagine that I would have survived a Catholic one.

(((((((((((((((little Hermes))))))))))))))))

I am so sorry. You must have felt very abandoned.

Stiff upper lips my arse!

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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2008, 03:28:33 PM »
This is a great idea for a thread Axa; thankyou for starting it.

Hi Hermes, CB, Hops and Ami!

Hermes, my thoughts mirror CB's, in that I don't think new members (or old members)  should feel obliged to `open up' unless they trust a group of people, and feel ok about that information being posted in a public area. So as much as everyone wants to know you, I hope you do not  feel  too much pressure!

I'm glad you felt comfortable enough to chat about boarding school. I attended Catholic School from Grade 1 to Grade 4, and I have some inkling of how bad those places were for the full time boarders. 

X bella

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