Author Topic: Why Can't My Mother See Any Value in Me?  (Read 4391 times)

Ami

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Re: Why Can't My Mother See Any Value in Me?
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2008, 09:28:07 AM »
WOWSER, Hops!!!!!                                   Love, Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: Why Can't My Mother See Any Value in Me?
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2008, 09:45:07 AM »
Well, Ami, I suppose functional parents are "good enough" parents.  It is not easy to describe.  Parents, like all humans, have their faults and failings.  Everyone can have a bad day, for one reason or another.  The difference is that with N parents, or otherwise abusive, non-nurturing parents, that their "condition" is all-pervasive, ingrained, and sad to say, permanent.

A good parent resonates with the child, gives encouragement, is just and fair (a parent can be strictish, but just at the same time).  A good parent has to try to be consistent, (dysfunctional parents will yell at the child, strike out, then the next day maybe smother the child with something that passes as "love", or gives some object as a kind of "peace offering", or whatever).  A good parent does not do that.  Also, good parents are able somehow to keep a light hand on the reins, giving just enough to the child to keep going, to  progress.  A good parent, even if she or he lets a yell at you once in a while, you know it is not in bad faith, and that all is essentially well.
An example:  my brother, not long after he learnt to drive, turned Dad's car over because somehow he just didn't have the experience to handle a sudden hump in the road.  The car was really a write off, but my brother was unhurt.  Dad did not say a word, except to remark: "thank goodness he is all right.  that is the main thing."  Dad (who probably did get a fright himself at the news), might have wanted to go mad, to jump up and down, rage, demean, but being a normal sane person he did not do that.

There were two things Mum and Dad were very very strict about:  one was lying, the other was stealing.  We were warned never ever to touch a coin even, that might be left on a shelf, or in the kitchen or wherever.  However, if we asked for that coin, we would no doubt be given it, or perhaps we would do some little errand to "earn" it.  If you owned up to some misdemeanour, you might get a bit of a telling off, but we were not punished.  But  lying, in any shape or form was out of the question.  So, we never lied.

I always loved reading, and Dad encouraged this, and there were never any censorship placed on what I read.  
He was a well-travelled and well-read man himself, and he wanted us to look outwards as much as possible.  


I often think of the huge amount of patience my Dad showed.    I know, and found out in later life about all the other parents he encouraged to do the best for their kids.  He said kids needed a good start in life.  For him that was paramount.  

All the best
Hermes


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Re: Why Can't My Mother See Any Value in Me?
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2008, 02:36:54 PM »
Dear Hermes,
  My M is like an assailant ,hiding in a  bush, ready to get me(lol). I can't do right---- no how, no way.
  I just have to accept that she loves me,in her way.                                                     Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Why Can't My Mother See Any Value in Me?
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2008, 02:51:06 PM »
What Hops said, Ami:

"Ami,
Please don't wait for your mother to value you first, in order to value yourself.""

All the best
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Re: Why Can't My Mother See Any Value in Me?
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2008, 03:31:05 PM »
I had an insight into my relationship with my mother today that really fits into your thread Ami so I am going to share it here.

I had an image that emerged in a complicated context that I will omit for breviities sake.  I saw (for the millionth time) my struggle with oppressive (sabotaging) authority (mother and father).  The image is a little hard to describe but I was outside of a door of a large room filled with people about to sit down to participate in a program.  The door was in the back of the room on the right.  I wanted to go in and sit near the front on the left.  I could barely face having to walk into that room.  I began thinking of subversive ways to get around having to walk through the crowd and yet get to my goal.  I didn't want to have to "walk the gauntlet" of hyper-critical, judgmental people.

Believe it or not - this is the mantal that I have taken on from being raised by my parents.  I KNOW  that my mother will pretend to be supportive and loving but that she will truly be hyper-critical and judgmental and destructive of me.  The best way is to walk right through the door but my mother will sideswipe my purpose or hijact me into becoming her servant or ..........  The only way to get to my preferred place is by some subversive, hidden, round about means.  The problem is that there is a penalty for being subversive, hidden or round about.  There is actually a HUGE price.  By not being direct and determined I become outside the norm and NEVER an integrated part. 

CONC - The point is this.  The only positive way to get to my destination is to walk with my head up and acknowledge my mother but not stop - simply be pulled along by the crowd and keep going.  Another way to say this is - I have been stuck in trying to get my mother to be mothering.  With an N mother that is STUCK.  I can be around her but I must see her as a sand trap on a golf course.  I don't stay off the course because there are traps  but I don't aim for traps either.  I know I may get stuck in a trap and there is a penalty for that but the object is to negotiate my way around and through and over the traps and keep aiming for the hole.  I have been playing golf trying to get rid of the sand traps.  Everyone else on the course thinks I am crazy - the traps are part of the game and they are tired of hearing about me trying to get rid of the traps. 

My mother isn't going to change and HELLO neither am I until I accept this!!!!!

This is the ultimate message I want to share with you Ami. 

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Re: Why Can't My Mother See Any Value in Me?
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2008, 03:55:00 PM »
Thank you GS.                    Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: Why Can't My Mother See Any Value in Me?
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2008, 07:21:40 PM »
THAT ,Izzy, is a brilliant point. It is ,in fact, a life changing POV.     Thanks Izzy,         Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: Why Can't My Mother See Any Value in Me?
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2008, 07:59:59 PM »
Dear Izzy,
  When the student is ready, the teacher will appear. YOU were the teacher.(lol) I "got" it about my M not approving of anyone.      Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Why Can't My Mother See Any Value in Me?
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2008, 12:10:38 AM »
(((((((((((GS)))))))))))))

fasten your seat belt, I think you're going toward happiness.

love and so glad to read this,
Hops
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Re: Why Can't My Mother See Any Value in Me?
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2008, 06:48:31 AM »

((((((( GS )))))))) you have found the Key!


(((((( Ami ))))))) what Hops said; "Please don't wait for your mother to value you first, in order to value yourself."  is oh so true.



Love to (((( Everyone ))))  Leah x
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Re: Why Can't My Mother See Any Value in Me?
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2008, 04:43:58 PM »
My apologies Ami for this brief hijack.

Hops and Leah - I am definitely getting closer.  These images that are coming to me are really helping.  I understand so well how the whole enchalada is MY reaction to the stuff.  I see so clearly that the key is to be "non-reactive" with the N.  My mother is not , can not, will not change.  Getting it right on my part will never produce the desired effects.  My job is to pick my course and stay steady.  I will get help from her but I am clear that what I need is her financial help to get my small business off the ground.  She has promised that and thanks to my new found relationship with my oldest brother, He has promised to make that happen.  His support alone has given me the strength to learn to ignore what she does and hold her to her promise.  In the past I wanted her to keep her word and felt powerless to do anything if she didn't.  No longer.


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Re: Why Can't My Mother See Any Value in Me?
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2008, 05:02:20 PM »
Just briefly,

BRAVO ((((((( GS ))))))))  "No Longer" is the Key!!  Please know that I have been reading your Life Story updates, and,

have noticed the difference i.e. transformation.


(((((((( Ami )))))))  So love what you have shared on your other thread, about ownership, that's the key!   


Love to all,

Leah x
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Re: Why Can't My Mother See Any Value in Me?
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2008, 05:10:29 PM »
Dear GS,
  Your points are relevant to getting whole, which is what this thread is about, anyway. Talk about what seems important to you. I want to hear,GS.                  Love    Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung