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Gabben

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Assertiveness from ReallyMe's thread
« on: February 08, 2008, 06:21:46 PM »
This is from Laura's thread about passive aggression. I felt the need to point it out because I tend to speak up a lot and assert in my defense as well as I tell it like it is. -- This has caused some tension here and I tend to beat myself up about it because of my history, patterns with FOO stuff. But I needed to speak up again and when I read this it was a relief.


Why Don't We Act Assertively?
    While there are many reasons we avoid being assertive, the main reason is that most of us have a high need for approval. We don't stand up for ourselves because we feel the person with whom we are being assertive will dislike or reject us in some way.

    The truth of the matter is that assertiveness will be met with disapproval by others at times. Anytime we dare to stand up for how we feel or what we believe is right, the potential is there for others to resent us for doing so and put us down in some way.

    The life of Christ is a perfect example of assertiveness.  He assertively told His parents He must be about His Father's business. He assertively confronted the disciples when they got out of line. He often was quite assertive with the rulers and leaders of His time. The assertive style of Christ led to some strong reactions at times, even to the point that He was put to death. But He didn't back off just because some people didn't like what he was saying or doing. We need to accept the fact that we will not be liked or accepted  by everyone all the time. We can ask the Lord Jesus Christ to make us resilient people.



This above was very validting for me as I tend to be very assertive and direct about what I feel and what I think with people.

I had a boss once who was also in AA and a Christian, this was about 12 years ago, she taught me about assertive behavior. I used to tell her how afraid I was to speak my truth to someone. For example, there was another girl that worked with me that used to talk to me in a belittling way. I used to fell yucky whenever spoke to me. Her behavior was subtle and I used to think all was my fault, I assumed her belittlement was about me.

When I told my AA boss friend she told me to go and talk to her -- directly. I was like, "what??" I used to run and hide from conflict or I would passively remark back or give the cold shoulder. My AA boss said that behavior was no longer an option, I had to be honest with the girl who belittled me, my AA friend gave me the words:


(In a gentle and kind tone, no shame)
"Hey I apologize for not saying something earlier. It feels uncomfortable for me when things are said by you to me -- I feel as though you may have a problem with me, is there anything that we can work out?"

Her response -- (in snotty tone) "no. I have no idea what you are talking about." It must be your problem."

My response -- I don't feel that's true. I want to be spoken to in a respectful tone.

Her response: Whatever...OK. (from there on out she was super nice and respectful to me, always)

That was a good example and my practicing being assertive helped to strengthen my assertive muscle. I got to see that others will respect me for not being a doormat.

I have found the above from the article to be true though. Many people do react strongly and unfavorably to assertiveness. When people are direct and assertive with me, I respect them. When people are passive -- I can stand it.

I've been told that the truth usually provokes a violent reaction from people and I have seen it happen many times, especially growing up with an N mom. Everytine I stood up for myself her reaction was violent, Juvenal hall, insane asylum. I'll never forget the day the judge told my mom that she was unfit to be a parent. My mom's defense was:

"But I have:

"fed her
clothed her
taken her to doctors appointments
paid for braces on her teeth
provided shelter for her"

etc...

Not once did she ever speak about my emotional needs. My case worker leaned over and whispered in my ear, as my mom was ranting and raging, and said, "don't worry the judge is not going to let you go back to her... You are safe now."

Lise


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Re: Assertiveness from ReallyMe's thread
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2008, 07:29:55 PM »
Lise,

Risking disapproval is just a fact of life, I think. My pastor says, "I know a man who did everything right, said everything right, treated everyone just right... and they killed Him for it."  He calls this deadly fear of disapproval "the fear of man"...
and it stops alot of folks short of reaching their full potential.

I look forward to being able to be this assertive in all places, with all people. So far, my ability is limited, but growing.
Yet I know that I'm making alot of mistakes as I begin to practice assertiveness within a wider group... like at work.
Today I made a giant leap in the direction of assertiveness there... but I did it in a very passive way, and I'm not pleased with myself about that. It just didn't seem prudent to come right out and say my piece to the other person involved (I could note a dozen proverbs as to why) so I simply walked away and didn't play the game. Maybe that was okay, I am not sure... but I am thinking that sometimes assertiveness can be demonstrated without a word. I hope so.

The thing that makes me feel bad about it is that other people are disturbed by this person's laziness and superior attitude, and these other people are quite mouthy. They will make hay out of it, if there's any conflict, because they WANT her to have trouble... and that only escalates the mess.
It's kinda like here on the board. There's no way for me to keep it private and I don't want to have any open conflicts with anyone over this. ugh.
Maybe I can write about it another time and explain better.

Anyhow, I'm glad that you keep speaking up. And I understand the feeling bad afterward... responsible... but that's not your burden to bear, I don't believe. There's got to be some middle ground between beating ourselves up over this stuff and being totally oblivious and unwilling to search our own hearts. That's the ground where I want to walk.

Love to you,
Carolyn


Gabben

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Re: Assertiveness from ReallyMe's thread
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2008, 07:51:59 PM »
Hi ((Carolyn)),

just found this quote:


"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody."
Bill Cosby

I had written a long post here to you in response but I hit my back button by mistake and poof it disappeared!

Oh well.

I was just thanking you for your encouragement. Looking back I realized that that is part of what stopped me from continuing to practice assertiveness, the discouragement. Is easy to get discouraged.

There was so much more to say but I lost my train of thought.

Lise

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Re: Assertiveness from ReallyMe's thread
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2008, 08:19:13 PM »
ooo I do not like that back button ((((((Lise))))))) thank you. This notebook pc is still fairly new to me and sometimes I hit a certain combo of keys which takes me back to the stone age... but occasionally I can reach my post-in-progress again by hitting the forward button up top on the screen. Not always.

I really like the Cosby quote. It's so true. All that fear of disapproval and someone else's anger is enough to absolutely paralyze... and personally, I've been frozen long enough.

It is so easy to become discouraged, I know, but we've got to keep eyes on the prize.
At the moment, I am concerned that the weekend will go by and I'll be so reluctant to face this all again on Monday morning that I'll just put on my "happy face" and slip back into old silent-pleasing-patterns. Can't let that happen. Need a plan... so, I'm praying.
I do not think it's necessary to go one-on-one with a person who has so clearly demonstrated a lack of trustworthiness.
I really don't.
But I can only tune out so much of her NoNseNse before it all starts to build up again, so it's important to learn how to nip it in the bud!!

Love to you,
Carolyn


Gabben

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Re: Assertiveness from ReallyMe's thread
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2008, 08:37:11 PM »

At the moment, I am concerned that the weekend will go by and I'll be so reluctant to face this all again on Monday morning that I'll just put on my "happy face" and slip back into old silent-pleasing-patterns. Can't let that happen. Need a plan... so, I'm praying.
I do not think it's necessary to go one-on-one with a person who has so clearly demonstrated a lack of trustworthiness.
I really don't.
But I can only tune out so much of her Nonsense before it all starts to build up again, so it's important to learn how to nip it in the bud!!


Hi Carolyn

I feel like I am missing something -- is there something going on with you that I am not cued into? Anything that you need to talk about, I'm all ears. Sometimes we need to just express and express and express until we are done and feel better, correct?

Who is the person who has shown lack of trustworthiness? Coworker? Friend?

Lise

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Re: Assertiveness from ReallyMe's thread
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2008, 08:56:26 PM »
Oh, Lise.. thank you. If I can get the dust to settle around some things in my head, maybe I'll be able to express the whole thing more coherently. Soon, I hope. But for now, it all just keeps piddling around the edges of my brain and so blurts out in fits and starts.

I just feel up to my eyebrows in subtle (and not so subtle) innuendo.
And I'm on edge about a coworker, as well, yes. She's most definitely un-trustworthy... and a bully, to boot.
And today I realized that - in addition to being my one daughter's bday (she lives far away - I sent a gift and haven't heard whether it was received)  - this is also my parents' wedding anniversary (a big one!) and I didn't even think of that.
I mean, I totally forgot, as though I blocked it out of mind completely. So I feel guilty about that and yet not a bit inclined to call or anything. In short, I am a bit confused at the moment. Thank you so much for asking. This, too, shall pass.

Love,
Carolyn

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Re: Assertiveness from ReallyMe's thread
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2008, 09:03:33 PM »
I just feel up to my eyebrows in subtle (and not so subtle) innuendo.
And I'm on edge about a coworker, as well, yes. She's most definitely un-trustworthy... and a bully, to boot.
And today I realized that - in addition to being my one daughter's bday (she lives far away - I sent a gift and haven't heard whether it was received)  - this is also my parents' wedding anniversary (a big one!) and I didn't even think of that.
I mean, I totally forgot, as though I blocked it out of mind completely. So I feel guilty about that and yet not a bit inclined to call or anything. In short, I am a bit confused at the moment. Thank you so much for asking. This, too, shall pass.


Oh (with compassion) I'll hold you in prayer Carolyn you have a lot going on.

Lose the guilt -- God knows guilt is a waste of time over things like gifts. The real gifts are our prayers.

You have been such a blessing to me. I have to log off soon. You are in my prayers.

Lise


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Re: Assertiveness from ReallyMe's thread
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2008, 09:08:08 PM »
I'm not sure assertiveness causes tension, assertive is a position of self-expression but not at the expense of others, of control over anger, of shared understanding or search for understanding?

There may be tension when an angry person doesn't get their way- like my friend who wanted me to go to her party. I sensed she was too angry to have a meaningful conversation right then and ended it; I'll try again another time.

The people who cause me the most tension are the ones who address me as my mother did, send me back to little girl status in a moment...only for a moment usually. But at college I remember this woman who I developed an instant dislike for, irrationally- she was always nice to me. But a lot of her mannerisms and her appearance were like my mother...she creeped me out through no fault of her own.

I think assertiveness is nice, makes for a better world!


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Re: Assertiveness from ReallyMe's thread
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2008, 09:14:19 PM »
Thank you so much for your prayers, Lise. They are the greatest gift, I believe. You are blessing my life so much, too...  I am very thankful.

Carolyn