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Certain Hope

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On Being Perfect...
« on: February 15, 2008, 06:46:15 PM »

(excerpted from a longer article here:  http://www.arachnoid.com/psychology/narcissism.php#5)


.... a mother contacted me hoping I would mentor her son (many details in this section are fictionalized to protect the identities of the participants). I had lost interest in this activity so I politely declined.

But mom refused to take no for an answer. Against polite demurrers from me, she persisted in her requests for seven months, then brought her son to a place she knew I would be and forced a meeting. Her son was very bright, socially isolated for a reason I couldn't sort out, and I should have run from the room. Instead I accepted her son as a friend.

For the next year I acted as mentor for this boy, changing his perspective on himself and his substantial gifts. He was remarkably bright but very insecure for a reason I didn't understand at first. I encouraged him to see himself as an intelligent person, but this wasn't difficult — he was very talented, starved for any kind of encouragement, and his personal development took off.

I hadn't figured out mom's motivations yet, but I was soon to discover what they were. Her personal grasp of the world had the distinctly narcissistic property that everything was either true or false, and there was always a convenient unimpeachable authority to tell her which was which, e. g. she possessed a very shallow and fragile hold on reality.
She had been told that her son was gifted, and it had come to her that she would eventually lose control of him as he passed her up in intellectual development. Mom's uniquely narcissistic solution to this "problem" was to insist that her son was mentally handicapped, something she persisted in saying against overwhelming contrary evidence.

As time passed, as her son came out of his mom-imposed shell, as he realized he had a rightful place among gifted children, the day of reckoning finally came. Increasingly frustrated at her son's accelerating personal development and my role in it, mom finally thought of a way to force an end to the threat I posed to her control — she began to invent imaginary crimes for me to be guilty of. Most of them were too poorly articulated to bother with, but when she claimed that a child sitting on the lap of an adult constituted molestation, then refused to discuss this belief, I knew I had to leave. Because she was a narcissist, possessed of no common sense or personal restraint, I realized she would say such things to anyone, anywhere, therefore my leaving might serve to minimize the harm she could do to her son. I offered a weak and false explanation to her son (that she and I had important philosophical differences).

I stayed in touch with her son by e-mail, hoping I could prevent his relapse into the clinical depression that had preceded my appearance on the scene, but mom realized what I was doing and arranged a civil court hearing in which, as I expected, she abandoned the original issue of e-mails and made a series of vile claims that might have impressed someone with an IQ below 70, but that had no effect on the seasoned judge who heard her recital. I pointed out that mom's claims were a fantasy, the judge agreed, but mom got her way, no more e-mails.

After the hearing, in conversations with a mutual acquaintance I discovered to my shock that this woman had made similar false accusations against someone else. I thought this would have been useful to know when mom was trying so desperately to get me to meet her son, and it would have come in handy during the hearing, but I didn't think it mattered any more, since the judge had ruled against her. As it turned out, I was wrong about that — six months later, mom arranged another civil court hearing and tried to hold me responsible for her son's return to clinical depression, a depression that resulted directly from her decision to exclude me. In her new claim she had the temerity to describe her very bright son as "developmentally delayed," which some of my readers may know is a euphemism for "retarded."

At that point I realized this wasn't going to stop.
Unless I shut her down, mom might try to hold me responsible for each of her many dissatisfactions, possibly for years.
So in a prepared statement I explained that mom's assessment of her son's mental abilities was at odds with reality, she had tried the vile-accusation tactic on someone else, and the entire sequence of events resulted from her seriously dysfunctional personality.
This woman was served with my position in advance and had time to consider any rebuttal she cared to make, but I think she realized what would happen to her if she disputed any of it (I came prepared with detailed evidence), so at the hearing she silently accepted my position without comment, thereby turning my claims into stipulations (matters on which both sides agree).

At that point the judge had a clear picture of this woman,
but in case any doubt lingered,
mom ended the hearing by asking whether I could be punished even though I had done nothing wrong.
Under the circumstances the judge exercised remarkable restraint and, saying "no," gaveled the proceedings to a close.
This woman was a textbook narcissist — completely self-absorbed, unable to foresee the consequences of her own actions, predatory, truth-challenged, oblivious to how she looked and sounded to others, and absolutely incapable of accepting personal responsibility for anything.

As to mentoring as a pastime, I had naïvely assumed that, because I can encourage most bright kids to develop their gifts, it was a worthwhile activity. I had not seriously considered the possibility of such a dysfunctional parent, but now that I know they exist, I won't allow parents to arrange such meetings. The parents have too much control, they are often the real problem, and they sometimes don't understand themselves well enough to accept an excellent outcome. In the final analysis, they victimize their own children.

Gabben

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Re: On Being Perfect...
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2008, 07:06:56 PM »
Carolyn,

What an interesting read, thanks. It was also confirming for me in that I walk through life shaking my head telling myself that people like that don't exist, yet just look at my own mom, she too stood before a judge who told her that she was unfit to be a parent. She damaged me in ways that I will never be completey aware of until I get to heaven or full conciousness.

It sometimes is hard for me to grasp the pain that N's live, in or do they?


My heart ached for the boy, there is not greater wound than the loss of love by parents or the lack of ever being loved. The wound is is huge, stretched out, prolonged, hardwired and unavoidable. It only takes a childhood to become wounded and a lifetime to heal.

Lise

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Re: On Being Perfect...
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2008, 07:45:05 PM »
Dear Lise,

I think that the pain of being found out as being imperfect is the chief pain of N... and for that very reason, they are driven to maintain control over every one and every thing around them, at any cost.

I just read on another thread that you are feeling deeply hurt at this moment and I'm sorry for that pain, and for any part that I've played in accentuating it. You are facing enough challenges of your own without having to deal with some of the recent stuff here on this board, I know. Wish it didn't hurt so much, Lise. I just feel that you must be exhausted.
All I know to do is to continue praying and keep chipping away at the old stuff which clutters the scene of life... and pay more attention to not shoveling my rubble into any one else's path.
Love to you, Lise.

Carolyn

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Re: On Being Perfect...
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2008, 07:57:21 PM »
Thank you Carolyn,

Your post brought tears to my eyes.

It is just that little girl in me who at age 4 what abandoned by her mom. I am afraid to talk about it here on the board because everytime I post about abandonment someone else instantly brings up the BPD thread -- most people know that those who have been abandoned suffer from that disorder to one degree or less. 

The intense shame and pain of abandonment excruciating. For a child to loose their parent before the age of 6 is like having your emotions set on fire, the scar is permanent and forever will people shame you for suffering oversensitivity as well as shame for fear of further abandonment. I have experienced that shame here, others don't see who the perp is...it is so elusive.

Yet, I have the courage to heal and I face the pain, no meds, just straight on feeling that trauma and allowing that girl to rage, kick and scream against loosing her mom who was her world and not knowing if her mom was ever going to come back.

It is like all of the other kids are out playing and I am standing at the door day after day looking and waiting for my mom...saying over and over "will she come back" "will she come back" -- "if she does not will I die will I cease to exist?

People who have experienced cannot understand that some of us just have more wounds, more pain and we have suffered more abuse.

Carolyn without you I would have been long gone from the board, thank you for your care -- it means a lot to me.

Lise

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Re: On Being Perfect...
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2008, 08:09:11 PM »
((((((((Lise)))))))))  If this place is tearing you to shreds, you need to go.

You have seen me at my worst, in all my un-glory... and you have not turned away. For that, you have my unwavering love and loyalty... but it would not be a bit disloyal or weak for you to protect yourself from the onslaught here.

And as far as the perp... I see. You know I do. It won't stop... and I'm not sure that hanging out here is the way to toughen up to it. How much aversion therapy can a person stand? I don't want to find out.

Love to you,
Carolyn

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Re: On Being Perfect...
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2008, 09:37:45 PM »
In the book - Disorders of Narcissism -
there's a comparison of the typical traits of N and how those apply
 to the more introverted or covert narcissist.

My interest is not just to prevent any acting out of such characteristics, but also to root out any such traits which may lie hidden within my own thought life.
Once discovered in the realm of thought, I believe that they can be cast aside.. and that's just exactly what I'm determined and eager to do.


Awareness is a huge portion of the battle here, I believe... and
every bit of this is - I am convinced - directly linked to what I always used to think was "merely" perfectionism.

Taking a look around, it's plain enough to see those who hold a standard of perfection for others... but possibly more difficult to spot the expectation of perfection for self.
Defensiveness and unrelenting attention-seeking are two key signals, I think... as they demonstrate in an all-pervasive pattern, not merely an occasional incident, as can occur with any one of us.

Here are the first of the comparisons between N-styles:

While overt N's enact behaviors related primarily to compensatory grandiosity,
here are some behaviors of covert N's - - directly related to fragile self-representation:

Hypochondria -  the somatic expression of a core weakness of the self-representation of the body.

Excessive shame, embarrassment, and humiliation when confronted with the recognition of unsatisfied needs or deficiencies in one's capacities;
the defensive response to this state may be either overt rage and aggression or an inhibition of assertion and overt shyness
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It's the excessive shame and defensive response which I believe is the driving force behind my mother's behavior. She generally reacts by internalizing her rage and showing only
an icy, silent stoicism to her "offenders" (extreme defensiveness!)
When I see that I regularly clammed up, becoming even more inhibited and shy.. I wonder whether that was my own exhibition of the same traits.
For me - all of that is past tense... and yet I struggle to learn proper socialization after a lifetime of inner shivering at the very thought of being vulnerable.

From the book:  "Patients with less severe forms of npd also may be quite capable of empathic registration of the needs of another;
however, their hungry self-preoccupation may severely diminish their capacity to respond to those needs for more than a moment."

Compared to the overt N's grandiosity and sense of entitlement, the covert N's self-concept is marked by inferiority, morose self-doubts, a marked propensity for feeling ashamed,
fragility, relentless search for glory and power, marked sensitivity to criticism and realistic setbacks
.


In interpersonal relations, the overt N has an intense need for tribute from others, whom she scorns, yet often masks that scorn with pseudo-humility. She lacks empathy and is unable to genuinely participate in group activities.

The covert N's interpersonal relations is marked by an inability to genuinely depend on others and trust them, along with chronic envy of others' talents, possessions, and capacity for deep object relations.
She has a lack of regard for generational boundaries (not sure what this means)
and a disregard for others' time. Refuses to answer letters. (personally, I only refuse to answer letters/comments from N's)

Re: social adaptation -  the overt N is socially charming and often successful, consistently working hard (mainly to seek admiration) and preoccupied with appearances   -
whereas the covert N displays a nagging aimlessness, shallow vocational commitment, dilettante-like attitude, multiple but superficial interests, chronic boredom, aesthetic taste often ill-informed and imitative.

more to come...








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Re: On Being Perfect...
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2008, 10:22:07 PM »
Dear Lise,

I'm going to move this "Being Perfect" stuff over to another thread, so that when you return, you may choose to discuss your feelings here - or not - as you see fit.
I'll understand completely, either way... but I don't want to influence or interfere, so I'll simply move on.

Love,
Carolyn

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Re: On Being Perfect...
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2008, 10:43:46 PM »
Sorry, Carolyn, if I hijacked your thread.
L.

It's okay, Lollie... I know how it goes and I don't mind moving down the road a bit.  This just feels like one topic that I really need to see through to completion without detours. Normally, it's not an issue at all, but I'm feeling pretty ragged myself lately.
Thanks.

Carolyn

Gabben

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Re: On Being Perfect...
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2008, 05:11:38 PM »
Hi, Lise. I wanted to respond to this statement, because I don't think it's necessarily true.


Lollie -- you do not know for sure that it is NOT true and trying to tell me what my perceptions really are, what I think and feel about a situation does not help me.



I have experienced that shame here, others don't see who the perp is...it is so elusive.
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What I mean is exactly what I mean. Is what you mean that you want me to expose who the perp is?

People who have experienced cannot understand that some of us just have more wounds, more pain and we have suffered more abuse.
I have to admit, this statement was very triggering to me...I felt the familiar rush of energy when I read it. Quite frankly, I was offended by it. Personally, I could tell you some stories of my own that would curl your hair...and I'm sure many other members could as well. We are all here for support because we are hurting or have been hurt, and...I don't know....I mean, is this a contest?
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Your statement in response to my statement is very triggering to me...NO it is not a competition but obviously you felt threatened by this statement? Because this is  not 3d perhaps it hard for you to hear where I am coming from which is a place of shame...feeling ashamed of my wounds...deeply and wishing I did not have them because I can see how they have led me to behaviors that I am not proud of....never did it cross my mind that this was a competition but I see that it crossed your mind.

BTW -- I do post abortion counseling working with women who have stories that would make us all curl.


I think you are very raw right now.

Your telling me?  Is that a joke or was that your best attempt at compassion?
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Gabben

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Re: On Being Perfect...
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2008, 06:03:58 PM »
Dear Lise,

I'm going to move this "Being Perfect" stuff over to another thread, so that when you return, you may choose to discuss your feelings here - or not - as you see fit.
I'll understand completely, either way... but I don't want to influence or interfere, so I'll simply move on.

Love,
Carolyn


Carolyn -- hugs to and thanks to you. You are a wonderful friend.

Lise

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Re: On Being Perfect...
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2008, 12:32:01 PM »
Hi Izzy --

I really can't tell you what your daughter at 5 experienced without more information.

What happened to me was emotional and physical desertion. When my mom dropped me off at my aunts house, who was a stranger to me, I could feel her pulling away as she was trying to calm me down repeatedly saying "be a good girl and don't cry."

I could feel her desertion in that she was dumping me to no longer have to care for my needs, wants or to spend time etc.

She wanted to start thinking about herself, she used to always say that my sister and I were always just too needy that is why she abandoned us.

Your daughter was at least able to see you and you did not intentionally desert her. Also, children pickup on things subconsciously, she on some level might have been able to get that your lack of presence in her life was not about her.

For my sister and I my mom made it clear that it was about us because as children we identified ourselves by our needs and emotions, which were made ashamed by our parents by their rejection of us, it was rejection of the self, they rejected us then we reject ourselves.

It is not so black and white, as I  seem to try to point out that out here on the board quite frequently.



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