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« Reply #120 on: August 14, 2004, 03:37:34 PM »
Yes Pheonix, and if other's inappropriately, without due cause, stamp all over you in a disrespectful manner, you have a perfect right to let them know that all people deserve to be treated with respect.

Demand, as I said, was really pushing it, but it seemed necessary to make this whole thing clear.  Maybe I was wrong to use that word.

You deserve respect Pheonix, just like everyone else.

Is this a basic human right?  Are you telling me to shut up?
to go away?

Maybe not.
Maybe, I'm mistaken there.

Is this a basic human right?
Do ya'll believe in it or not?
I'm not pushing anything, I'm asking.

The respect we are all due was stomped on.  You say I need to earn it ?What?  Must I say the correct things to get respect?

I don't understand.

Is this a basic human right?

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« Reply #121 on: August 14, 2004, 04:03:54 PM »
I'm going to let that sit.

It's a serious question.

Hugs to you all,  sincerely, I mean it.
I'm sorry if I've hurt anyone's feelings.

Not my intention.
Hope you all have a great rest of this day!

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« Reply #122 on: August 14, 2004, 04:16:48 PM »
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« Reply #123 on: August 16, 2004, 10:04:29 AM »
Good Morning Pheonix and everyone:

I'm so glad to hear you say, Pheonix, that "everyone deserves respect".
I was getting a bit worried about that but now I feel so relieved to find that we have the same basic idea about respect being due to all people.  I'm hoping you and I are not the only ones who believe this.  I doubt very much that we are the only ones.

I totally agree with your viewpoint on self-respect but the point I am trying to make is about respect for other people.  The lack of it that people who behave badly seem to be displaying.  The need to make them aware of that and the need to do that by at least, showing them a bit of respect.

I am having a hard time with what you have said:  "not everyone is capable of giving or having it (re respect) for others".

In other words, some people can't have respect for others.
They can't.
They have a problem with giving or having respect for others that can't be solved.
Cannot be solved.
They are incapable of changing their attitude or behaviour in order to  give or have respect for others.

I find that idea incorrect, in my view.  I understand and believe that we are all the only ones who can control our attitude, our behaviour, our thinking.  No one else can do that for us.  No one can force a certain attitude in us or force change in our behaviour or thinking.

In the long run, if we decide to have a certain attitude, to think a certain thing or way, to behave in a certain way, we will always find ways to do what we decide.

In the same sence, if we decide to change our attitude, to think differently in order to bring about a new attitude, if we decide to behave differently, we will do exactly that.

I don't think it's a question of being capable of having respect.
I think it's a matter of deciding to.
Of having a desire to.
Of making a committment to change.

Anyhow, yes.  You did stand up for me and I thankyou Pheonix.  This was getting pretty darn hostile and for no real good reason except that tempers do flare, especially in consideration of the deplorability of this terrible problem (this horrid behaviour that my h and so many others are displaying or haved displayed or are yet to display).

I must get off here now.  I have been away from my pc over the weekend and have not had time this a.m. to so much as look at anything else, other than your comment above this of mine.  I hope to hear this discussion continuing because it is so very important that it does continue.

If we just keep doing what we're doing and we don't try to do something different, I just have this awful feeling that things aren't going to get any better because from what I have seen, things are indeed getting much worse (whether we consider stats or whatnot).  The fact is, this behaviour continues.

I would like to see it stopped before it begins.
I really would.
I would like to see many less people trying to heal from the results of this behaviour.

Hope you all have a wonderful day with a great bit of healing.

Really big, huge, large, giant hug.  No kidding about that at all.

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« Reply #124 on: August 16, 2004, 01:38:54 PM »
Somebody = I have read classic N traits in your posts and in your way of posting.

I am experiencing your behavior toward Portia and others, including those who have tried to come to your defense, as classic N/abusive/crazymaking.

I saw your sickness in your treatment of Portia, even more so than in the way you have been justifying your decision to stay with someone who abused your own child.

My chest hurts.

I have rarely found someone for whom I have so little empathy/sympathy as I have for you - at least at this point in the thread, (my stuff).

I felt a lot of rage building as I read this thread, (again, that's on me).

Why I didn't stop I don't know.

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« Reply #125 on: August 16, 2004, 01:42:48 PM »
I am a registered member, and I mean't to log in as such.  The above post is mine.  Unless it shows my logged in name as shown on this message, no other posts are mine.

Thanks.

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« Reply #126 on: August 16, 2004, 01:57:57 PM »
somebody and peanut is all portia.peanut keep talking of somebodies letting the husband abuse the child.this is also exactly what portia keep talking about in so many pasts emails too.

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« Reply #127 on: August 16, 2004, 03:43:31 PM »
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« Reply #128 on: August 16, 2004, 07:13:42 PM »
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« Reply #129 on: August 16, 2004, 08:10:41 PM »
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« Reply #130 on: August 17, 2004, 10:02:32 PM »
Well I feel stronger now so I have this to say.

I was so very disappointed and that's why I cried.  I was glad, at first because I thought we had finally found a bit of common ground.  The idea that all people deserve respect.  Surely this is the least.

Then, another fastball.
I forgot to duck.

I'm sorry that you think I have not self-respect, Pheonix.  That is another inaccuracy that must be corrected.  If I had no self-respect, I would have sworn right back at Portia and I wouldn't know enough to demand to be treated respectfully.

I'm so sorry to hear you say that and the stuff about humility too.  Maybe a good closet cleaning would be in order, at your house.  I don't mean to hurt you by saying such a thing.  It's just that I feel obligated, as a good person, to inform you that that comment was uncalled for and not at all something needed or in the least helpful.

My nose is neither up nor down.  I would look you straight in the eye, if I had the opportunity, and ask you why it seems so important to you to snub yours at me, after I made such a kind comment prior.  That's for me to figger out or forget.

Nevermind.  It doesn't matter.

I take offense to your words and so that's that.  I don't expect you to fix that anytime soon.  I'm sure you have bigger fish to fry in your attempts with the de-infestation.

Have yourself a really good evening anyway.  Maybe in our next life, we'll do better.

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« Reply #131 on: August 17, 2004, 11:43:33 PM »
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« Reply #132 on: August 18, 2004, 09:16:47 AM »
Pheonix, the blame is exactly what I am trying to shift because I am not going to take blame for acting incorrectly when I haven't done so, or for anyone else who has.

I have a problem with that.  I won't accept guilt that I don't deserve or shame that does not belong to me and I won't take responsibility for other people's actions.   The ideas that have been put forth here aim directly at trying to accomplish these exact things and I'm sorry to be so darn obstinate about not accepting such treatment but I must.

Because I have a strong sence of self-respect and to bring awareness up front.

What I hear in your post is anger.  I hear a lot of it on this board.  In many posts.  People are just so very angry.   We have a right to this feeling but we do not have a right to direct it where it doesn't belong or onto those who do not deserve it.

I would like to be your friend too, Pheonix, but that can't happen until you stop being angry with me.

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« Reply #133 on: August 18, 2004, 09:37:30 AM »
Woops again.  I correct myself.

Not stop being angry with me.  Stop treating me so angrily.
Stop displacing your anger.  Stop yourself from thinking angry thoughts about me that I do not deserve.  Etc.  These are your choices.

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« Reply #134 on: August 18, 2004, 11:59:01 AM »
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Stop treating me so angrily.
Stop displacing your anger. Stop yourself from thinking angry thoughts about me that I do not deserve. Etc. These are your choices.


Somebody,

You make these commands and yet you say they are choices.
"No one's life is worth more than any other...no sister is less than any brother...."