Author Topic: Is it wrong to be a victim?  (Read 4913 times)

teartracks

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Re: Is it wrong to be a victim?
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2008, 11:48:02 PM »



Hi DailyMail,

Well, when I'm dodging trolls, a goat as in Billy Goats Gruff, except female.

The story introduces three male goats named Gruff of varying size and age, sometimes identified in the story as youngster, father and grandfather, but more often they are described as brothers. There is no grass left for them nearest where they live, so they must cross a river to enter a field where the land is still lush, but the only way across is via a bridge and this is guarded by a fearsome troll who eats any who pass that way. The youngest goat, knowing nothing of this, crosses the bridge and is threatened by the troll but is spared when he tells the troll that his brothers are larger and more gratifying as a feast. The middle goat sees that the youngest one has crossed and reaches the conclusion that the bridge must be safe after all, but when he crosses and the troll challenges him, he too tells him of his eldest brother. When the eldest and largest of them attempts to cross, the troll comes out to seize him but is gored by his horns and knocked into the river. From that time on the bridge is safe, and all three goats are able to live in the security and happiness of the new field.


If a movie character, hands down Forest Gump!

What do you think?

Why do you ask?

tt


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Re: Is it wrong to be a victim?
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2008, 11:54:01 PM »
How fascinating!
BOTH are islands.

And neither took being victimized lying down!  I think those are called warriors (well, in the Don Juan sense anyway).

I somehow suspect many of the members of this forum would choose characters who fit the same bill.

Hey, that might make for a cool new thread, feel free.


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Re: Is it wrong to be a victim?
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2008, 08:06:49 AM »
Lup-I have not read this whole thread but I just have one comment on the title.  I think it is ok to be a victim but it is not ok to play the victim.  Sometimes I do that and it turns into whining.
Kelly

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Re: Is it wrong to be a victim?
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2008, 11:15:54 AM »
Hi Daily Mail...
I bet you're in the UK?

If you were here I'd tell you to check out www.uua.org, but it's harder to find across the pond.

Hops
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Re: Is it wrong to be a victim?
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2008, 06:49:14 PM »
Hello everybody, I had a week from hell at school. TGIF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for all your responses. All are important. I am trying my best to be a better person. I promise.

It is difficult to get rid of the paralysis, you know what kind I am talking about.

That, makes you a victim very easily.

OK, God bless you all.

DM, welcome here. Hope you can enjoy, God bless you.

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Re: Is it wrong to be a victim?
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2008, 07:42:50 PM »
Thanks Hopalong

But I'm satisfied visiting the Cathedral when I'm hurting, the Buddhist temple when I'm happy, and praying when I'm in forests (Nature's cathedral).

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Re: Is it wrong to be a victim?
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2008, 07:53:42 PM »

Hi (((( Lupita )))

Sorry to know that you have had a hellish week at school.

Glad to see you posting away with blessings for everyone.

The main article is most insightful and interesting, I have taken a copy.

Thank you.

God Bless you to, Lupita.

Love, Leah
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Re: Is it wrong to be a victim?
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2008, 08:01:34 PM »

The process of de-traumatization begins with validation. It then moves to retraining explanatory style. Depending on the depth and time of the abuse, it may take a long or short time to process to empowerment and control.

IT IS NOT NECESSARY to analyze every event.

It IS necessary to be heard and listened to and to tell your story.  But not over and over to everyone who will listen.

Validation is critical.

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Most affirming and validating. 

Leah x


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Re: Is it wrong to be a victim?
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2008, 08:37:46 PM »
Lup-I have not read this whole thread but I just have one comment on the title.  I think it is ok to be a victim but it is not ok to play the victim.  Sometimes I do that and it turns into whining.

Kelly, I think you've made a good distinction there and I appreciate your thoughts!
When I get extra tired and worn, it's too easy for me to fall into an old pity pot, so this is a great reminder.

Lupita, Happy weekend to you and God bless you, too!

Carolyn

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Re: Is it wrong to be a victim?
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2008, 09:57:13 PM »
DM...
I love cathedrals.
Except for imagining the labor...!
There was a wonderful book I read once on the stone masons...darn, can't remember the name.

Once in 1964 my parents and I went into Westminster Abbey when a choir was rehearsing...for some reason there were no other tourists, we sat spellbound...

...I like Monmouth, too. I spent Christmas in Monmouth Wales once...

homesick for the U.K., I'd love to go back.

I loved Inverness, Wales (Devil's Bridge), Monmouth, the Dartmoors, Portsmouth, and a little village near London where a painter who was a friend of Blake's lived...can't remember his name but loved his work...

happy reminiscing...
Hops
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Re: Is it wrong to be a victim?
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2008, 10:06:24 PM »
That's one of the wonderful things about old cathedrals.

Especially if you've been victimized by someone and need to hunker down in the process of recovery.

It's especially true of Westminster.

It took blood, sweat, tears and inspiration to "move mountains".

But what looks like an impossible feat for the hands and backs of humans is indeed possible.

What seems impossible


is possible.
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Re: Is it wrong to be a victim?
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2008, 06:47:15 AM »

((((( Hops )))))

Thanks for sharing of your experiences in UK.   :)

I had absolutely no idea at all !!   

Love, Leah


PS >  My dear friends from the US love it here and I love taking them out and about -- walks in the countryside and the arts.
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Re: Is it wrong to be a victim?
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2008, 02:21:31 AM »




Hi DailyMail,

How fascinating!
BOTH are islands.

And neither took being victimized lying down!  I think those are called warriors (well, in the Don Juan sense anyway).

I somehow suspect many of the members of this forum would choose characters who fit the same bill.

Hey, that might make for a cool new thread, feel free.


What do you mean by 'BOTH are islands? 

I like it that I picked characters that didn't take being victimized lying down. 

I had to scramble around on Google to find out about the warrior part.  Carlos Casteneda, right?  It's been a while since I read  Casteneda, and to tell you the truth, when I did it was because of a cute guy we called Little Joe who made eyes at me and was into Casteneda.  Frivolous, aren't I?  Sorry, I didn't remember enough to make the warrior connection.

Well why don't we try it to see if other members choose characters that fit the same bill.  I'll start that thread.  Thanks for the suggestion.  I think it will be fun.  I'll be looking for your favorite characters...

tt


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