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DailyMail

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Re: How the board is the same
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2008, 10:05:51 PM »
That's very interesting.  So if you're not flawed, and you don't want sympathy, and you don't want to give voice to your struggle, then what may I ask are you here for?

reallyME

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Re: How the board is the same
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2008, 10:20:47 PM »
DM

you don't know how many times I've had to ask myself that very question.  I think I stay because a few people asked me to stay here.  They say that my words actually help them and they don't want me to go.  Plus, God hasn't closed the door on me yet.

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Re: How the board is the same
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2008, 10:25:52 PM »
Then why don't you save your words for those who want them and leave people like CB and others who don't - alone.

DailyMail

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Re: How the board is the same
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2008, 10:26:02 PM »
So you're here to help people?

:)

That's a kind and beautiful thing.


Certain Hope

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Re: How the board is the same
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2008, 10:30:12 PM »
And another thing... lol.

Please excuse the reference to Scripture, but it's necessary!

Jesus said, speak to the mountain and tell it to move...

He did NOT say, pretend like the mountain isn't there.

harumph.

reallyME

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Re: How the board is the same
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2008, 10:31:08 PM »
too much flip flopping around here lately...one moment a person is all loving and adoring toward me and then they suddenly defend the enemy.  I think I'm going to find a new sandbox now.

G'night all.

DailyMail

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Re: How the board is the same
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2008, 10:32:00 PM »
(this newbie's confused)

Certain Hope

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Re: How the board is the same
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2008, 10:37:31 PM »
Laura,

Speaking for myself, I have never either adored you nor despised you.
I've only tried to be honest and direct with you.
Is it adoration you're looking for?
Yikes.

Truly, I believe that you are your own worst enemy.

Carolyn

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Re: How the board is the same
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2008, 10:40:11 PM »
I KNEW someone would jump when I used that "n-trigger phrase "ADORE"  HAH!  I think i'm proving something more and more to myself on this board lately.

NO I didn't say I wanted to be adored.  I said people flip flop from adoration to attack.  Please do not assume things about me nor put words in my "mouth" that I never said.

Thank you.

DailyMail

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Re: How the board is the same
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2008, 11:19:52 PM »
I'm going to abdicate responsibility for the following post, only because I'm so incredibly sleepy right now, but it's a thought I've had for the last 20 minutes and it isn't going away.  Please feel free to take what you find useful and reject what you don't.

In a group therapy-type situation 5 or 6 years ago I was exhibiting behaviours that seemed, oh just a wee bit erratic.  I know that inside I felt, oh just a wee bit oversensitive.  I FELT the pain and self-doubt that came from being told I came across as a drama queen to others.  I took that criticism to heart and tried oh so hard to curb or somehow anticipate it, especially after that same observation became a recurring criticism from my exN.  I didn't want to be known as a drama queen, I noticed people didn't take me seriously when I was being one.  I was also accused once or twice of being self-righteous and...oh man, don't hate me for this next one...narcissistic.

Imagine how my heart sank.  This before I knew what that label actually entailed.

That was during my Nrelationship, it was after the cracks had already begun to show, it was fresh into the state of being undermined and twisted up as a co-narcissist, and it was RIGHT WHEN I was starting to panic the floor was crumbling under my feet if I wasnt hypervigilant about working hard to change myself so I could please my N.  All new things to me.

Guess what?????

AFTER having discovered what NPD is, AFTER reading Vaknin's book and feeling like the sun suddenly started shedding reality on my newfound madhouse existence, AFTER breaking up with Mr Vampire, AFTER a few years of intensive therapy in which I revealed all the secrets of my Nrelationship I carried immense shame and guilt over, I came to notice, my dramatics diminished exponentially, I didnt feel this intense urge to scramble around to people to get life-or-death empathy, support, attention, I also didn't feel an urge to preach about what was wrong and what people needed to do to save themselves, I didn't need to convince others I was right in order to save myself from annihilation, the whole world started to slow down and become quieter, and my survival/existence was no longer predicated on connecting with others in order to avoid emotional meltdown.  I became far less narcissistic because 'getting from others" wasn't my lifeline anymore.

I don't know if this makes any sense, or if it rings familiar to anyone.  But there was something about the madness that my N created in me, and the space between us, that topsy-turvied every emotion I felt, and every way in which I expressed it, and every way in which it was received by the world around me.

There's something really...viral about it.  It affects more than just the respiratory system.  It gets into a number of systems that connect us and sustain us with the real world.  People who loved me suffered because my attempt to survive my own suffering impacted them in ways I didnt mean but felt oh sonecessary at the time.

sheesh - I wish I was better with words right now, I could be so much more succinct

I watch other people sort of twist in the wind of their own topsy-turviness and feel some deep sadness in my chest for them...and for the me I am still working at returning to normalcy.

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Re: How the board is the same
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2008, 11:25:14 PM »
Daily,

I hear you... and I remember, too.

That was very well put... and I believe it applies... and I'll leave off the buts, as long as you know they are there, just absent at the moment.

Carolyn

DailyMail

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Re: How the board is the same
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2008, 11:30:24 PM »
Carolyn,

I've been living in the "buts" stage the entire time, thankfully I'm grappling with them in a warm self-loving lets-get-down-to-the-sweaty-work without the CONSTANT pain, fear and grief finally (emphasis on the word constant, I still feel those things, but thankfully much less frequently and much less intensely).  The absence of intense emotion makes the work a wee bit more manageable.

shall we sleep now?


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Re: How the board is the same
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2008, 11:37:16 PM »
yes'm

You have a tender heart, dear Daily... and you have clearly humbled yourself along the way toward healing.

Hope you have a peaceful snooze.

Carolyn

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Re: How the board is the same
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2008, 06:26:18 AM »
Daily Mail,

After reading your post, I started realizing something...if I didn't feel a need to point out what is wrong and to try and help others to change and grow, I wouldn't be on this group most likely.  If some of the members here hadn't pleaded with me to stay here, I'd not have.

I'm going to be spending some alone time with God today and I will be pondering "why am I here and why should I stay if I should at all, on this Voicelessness board."  If my presence here has become so offensive to some and not a help to others, then i must go elsewhere.

Thank you for pointing this out.  Based on responses from some of my threads to people, and based on what the Lord tells me this morning in prayer, my next steps will be determined.

One thing I find interesting...when people that wanted me to stay here, were offered to stay in touch with me through email/phone, etc, really nothing much came of it.  A couple private messaged me, one phoned me, but overall, it seems that most people, when I leave the board...it's "out of sight, out of mind"  So, that also has me considering if I want to lose contact with certain members forever...if my psyche could handle the withdrawing from that.  I just am not sure yet.

~Laura

DailyMail

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Re: How the board is the same
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2008, 06:39:35 AM »
Well now, that's an interesting response to my post.  What was it I said that lead you to that?