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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2008, 03:38:16 PM »
Thank you so much Cat's Paw.  I have been posting for some time now (a month or two) that I feel so close to some kind of a break through and yet I don't seem to get there.  Perhaps I am being impatient and things are stirred up so for me now because I am in the midst of change.  I do hope so.  Today I am wearied from the struggle.  I just want to reap the fruits of working for change. 

I am appreciative of your encouragement.  I do get encouragement here and I am truly, truly thankful.  It really helps.  It is th light in the midst of darkness.

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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2008, 05:52:21 PM »
(((((((((((((((((GS)))))))))))))))))    You are an inspiration to me, and I am sure ,many others.                      Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2008, 08:09:01 PM »
Hugs, GS...

in a way, feeling so close to a breakthrough is a breakthrough in and of itself, I think.
It's a sure sign of hope... and that's a quiet, yet giant, leap out of desperation and paralysis.

Love,
Carolyn

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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2008, 12:45:46 AM »
I had a conversation with my brother this afternoon about my mother.  He made a point that was something I have figured out many times and yet need to relearn.  I have been applying rational arguments to her behavior - she is irrational.  The two do not mix.

She is irrational and she makes contradictory statements and when these are pointed out she completely denies it.  Plus she lies and when confronted with the evidence she still denies it.  It is absolutely crazy making - crazy, crazy, crazy.  Add to all that that she sees me as her arch rival but is in complete denial of this too. 

Just a mother from hell.

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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2008, 08:44:33 AM »
yesterday I finally understood something that I have been struggling with.  I knew that I am working through more and more shame issues but I also knew that I had a major break through this time last year and I could not make sense of those seemingly contradictory concepts.  Finally yesterday I understood that since I made the breakthrough I no longer get shamed over the old stuff but I still have the old shaming memories to work through.  In other words, the shaming mechanism was still in place until last year and my contemporary actions were still shamed by the mechanism.  Today, I do not experince shame for my current actions but I have not worked through the old stuff.

I am very glad to have understood that.  It helps me to understand that I really did make a breakthrough and that it was valuable.  I was beginning to wonder.

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2008, 10:16:50 AM »
Hi GS - are you saying that you need to learn new ways to do things now that your actions are not dictated by the shame? 

I can very much relate!  I have whole areas of life that are sort of lunar landscapes.  There is a huge upside potential for building into the future!  But on the other hand, it does represent a lot of labor too. 
Character, which has nothing to do with intellect or skill, can evolve only by increasing our capacity to love, and to become lovable. - Joan Grant

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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2008, 12:02:43 PM »
Dear GS,
  Could you please explain your last post,more specifically? I would like to know how you do not feel shame over current things(if I have read your right) ,but still do over past things.
  I need help with the shame issue, so am intererested on your process of healing, dear friend.      Love   Ami
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Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: digging up psychological past
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2008, 12:35:48 PM »
Yes I will try to be more specific later tonight when I have more time.  Thanks for asking.

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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2008, 05:54:54 PM »
HI GS, my love goes out to you. We have so much in common.
One question, do you think you have to forgive your mother? I have come to the conclusion that my mother is so cluless, lack of insight, lack of awreness, that I do not even have to forgive her, she is just a zomby. She is like she does not exist. I am sorry about my and your sircumnstances, but I do not feel resentment anymore. How do you feel? I just feel very lonely. And you?

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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2008, 05:58:28 PM »
Here's a quick response with a more detailed one later - (have to pick up child)

I definitely have to forgive my mother.  Forgiveness is for me not her.  When I finally accomplish that I will no longer be bound by that dark, negative energy.  Hardness of heart hurts me not her.

My mother is clueless along with mean, manipulative, pitiful, passive/aggressive, completely lacking insight and on and on.

Thanks for you post.  I promise to take more time a little later. - GS

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« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2008, 10:16:40 AM »
Allright Ami - here is the best I can do.

Last year shame seeped into absolutely every single thing I did.  Everytime I took on a project, I felt shamed.  It was unconscious.  I did not know it was shame but I knew that I felt that what I was working on was not going to be good enough.  If I was planning my sons birthday party, if I was buying a birthday gift, if I was preparing Thanksgiving dinner, if I was doing anything like that I knew it was not going to be good enough.  As I worked through an issue that I could not at that time name I finally realized that it was shame and I knew where it came from.

Once I identified what I was dealing with I began to get relief.  Now I can do those things and feel good about them.  But I have a whole other level that has to do with everyday things.  I have this level that has to do with everyday household chores and other such things.  I know that it is shame.  I'm not sure why this part was not broken through last year.  I don't know how to break through this other stuff that would really change my life.  But I am thankful for having healed that part and am hopeful that the rest will be broken through soon.

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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2008, 10:18:33 AM »
I am going to think about this ,GS, and write more later.                Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2008, 12:10:04 PM »
Gaining Strength - one thing that I do sometimes is I follow the thread of the shame to find its nature and source.  I have issues with daily life things such as chores too.  I will pick a household chore that is currently a node of shame. 

Here am I scrubbing the bathroom on a random Saturday.  While I do this work I go through - impatience, anger, a feeling of shameful inadequacy, pride in the comprehensive way I work as I was taught (pass the white glove test), a feeling of closeness and love, and alienation and anger.

Then, I will follow the narrative of that chore and associations to that chore back through time.  For me, it is cleaning the bathrooms.  I have a whole history of issues with cleaning the bathrooms back through time to my grandmother's white glove tests and micromanaging my re-cleaning when I failed to meet her expectations.  There is also that she was outraged that I did not already know how to clean bathrooms before she taught me (that my mother did not teach me/mother's daughter/ associated shame).  Also that I was not already cleaning for my dad (failing in my role of caretaker).  Then there is my dad's rage that he does not have someone who cleans the bathroom and must consider such a thing.  Then there is his entitlement that some other person must be found to do this mundane chore.  Then there is his anger at his wife for disastrously departing from his expectations, and at his whole life situation which also disastrously departed from his expectations.

I feel love and anger for my grandmother teaching me to do this and all the circumstances around it.  And pride in my work and shame and embarrassment at its mundane, low, unimportant nature.

Edited to add: Oh and then there is all the railing at me if I did not clean the bathroom on time that I am a sloven and like my mother and lazy and a slob - all this shaming.  If I don't get up at 7 on Saturday and turn the whole house out.  And even if I did, no one would mention these tasks beneath mention.  And no one should have to notice that these tasks happen - because the tasks have not been done.  That's an outrage!  Like I should not feel pride in doing what there is no pride in doing, but must be done by me or else I am the personification of outrage.  No win no win no win.

Jeez its a wonder I ever get the bathroom clean at all.  And you know what always blows me away is it is all ghosts.  I clean my bathroom now on the house I own.  It's not about my mother and father and grandmother, but those associations all come with the action.

I don't know if this helps at all.  Please compost what does not. My area of difficulty these days is more with human relations and I am not getting much traction on understanding it.  The above process is not working so well for me there. 
« Last Edit: February 28, 2008, 12:14:18 PM by Iphi »
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Re: digging up psychological past
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2008, 04:05:23 PM »
Hi Iphi,
I wonder if you could make your bathroom beautiful?
An oasis.
A serenity island.
A place of comfort and pampering and self-love,
a little sanctuary that is about you enjoying and loving caring for yourself.

I have candles and a little bit of art and a plant I talk to every day.
My bathroom has a sunny window.
If it didn't, I think I'd hang a grow light so some special blooming plant could be my "bathroom friend."

Would any changes like that make it a happier thing?

love,
Hops
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