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Re: Trying to Justify Myself (What Am I Worth???)
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2008, 03:09:16 PM »
But that's not (necessarily) who you are, or may even want to be. I think we craft our own meaning in and of life, and then, hopefully, we are true to that, and in being true to that our essence emerges. Picture the metamorphisis that takes place following the pupal stage of a butterfly. It can't be rushed, it's a process, a journey - to be embraced. How magnificent --- the emergence of a beautiful butterfly.                                                                               
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I can relate to this very well. We seek our core and then we try to be true to it,in the variouse life circumstances. That is our journey,in  a few words(IMO).
 Thank you,Papillion!!                     Ami 
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Re: Trying to Justify Myself (What Am I Worth???)
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2008, 03:26:57 PM »
(((((((((((Hops)))))))))))

(((((((((((Beth)))))))))))

I think that you two have gotten to the root of the matter here... on being good enough.
I choose not to await a "some day" emergence. If I don't accept myself now, as I am (not as I can do), then the present is gone... and what's left?

Thank you both.

Love,
Carolyn

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Re: Trying to Justify Myself (What Am I Worth???)
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2008, 06:29:48 PM »

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Re: Trying to Justify Myself (What Am I Worth???)
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2008, 09:02:05 PM »
Hi Gratitude 28,

Sad comment, this one. But overall, I still feel worthless


Obviously it's a valid feeling based on something????? But what?

My immediate thought when I read it was "worth less than what?"

I concur with Phoenix Rising. You've described very well how you perceive your value to others. That's a vital and valid understandstanding to have. Especially if we are wanting to 'fit' in the greater society.

But that's not (necessarily) who you are, or may even want to be. I think we craft our own meaning in and of life, and then, hopefully, we are true to that, and in being true to that our essence emerges. Picture the metamorphisis that takes place following the pupal stage of a butterfly. It can't be rushed, it's a process, a journey - to be embraced. How magnificent --- the emergence of a beautiful butterfly.

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Papillon,
What did you mean by that???

Hi Gratitude 28,

Sorry I didn't see your question earlier until now.

I'm suspecting you're asking me to explain my whole post, not the "Obviously it's a valid feeling based on something?????". 

Interesting, that was how I initially interpreted your question, when I saw your (???). I assumed you were refering to my (?????).  :D.

In the event that you were, my (?????) was connected to to the words in your post  that I will never be "special" or some weird thing that is like a false implant in my brain and doesn't make sense, but does in a way too...  

When I said a valid feeling based on something, in hindsight what I should have said was "based on old programming from someone or somewhere."



In the event that you mean my whole post I'll attempt to explain 'my meaning' of my post , and I'm going to use one of my own more recent life experiences to try to do this.

Also, may I add this. In the event that you found my post offensive or unsettling, that's most unfortunate and I sincerely apologize as this was not my intention.

Here's how I see it:-
 
I worked in a role that I loved that was meeting (too) many needs I had, but still I felt inadequate on the inside. Interesting, but I felt guilty in that I didn't think it was correct that I was meeting my own needs. Because I believed this  :(  I had this on-going 'inner-nagging' that my motivations were wrong, and subsequently I became convinced that what I was doing was wrong and unhealthy --- for everyone involved ---- including me.

I felt that I was simply a big phony. I took action and dropped out of that role, leaving many people in the lurch, and much to many people's horror and surprise. I felt guilty, and at the same time I genuienly felt that I had no choice.

I went off and 'became' something totally different. That too shocked everybody, myself included.

I went into a role that was so diametrically opposite to the one I'd been operating in. It was a very phsically demanding role, long hours, which required rigorous time-management iskills, and with serious daily deadlines to be met - or there were major penalties incurred. With this project, I signed a contract to complete it within 2 years or heavy penalties applied.

I lost contact with nearly all my old circle. This seemed also essential as I was also hard on a course of rejecting myself and all I stood for, or as I thought I saw I was.

I buried myself in this new role. Hid away from the old world. I completed the project miles ahead of time, almost 18mths instead of 2 years. That was because I was burning a huge amount of emotional energy through the physical aspect of the task. I was at it 6am-8pm/24/7 for 18mths. I took 2 weeks off that Xmas. That was it. I was completely mono.

I was working with all types of people who I'd never worked with before. Extremely intolerant and aggressive people who demanded I perform daily. Then, after that ended, after the 18 mths were up, and I collapsed of exhaustion I realized something vital.

I had been naturally doing what I'd been doing in my old role. Some of my recent co-workers became close friends. They new absolutey nothing of my past life yet had often asked me had I ever thought of becoming an 'xyz' which was exactly what I had felt I needed to escape from. Things melded. "The idea of the daimonic, typically means quite a few things:..... (or as a literary term) the unrest that exists in us all which forces us into the unknown, leading to self-destruction and/or self-discovery, or the journey and transition from innocence to experience." This has been my recent real-life experience.

I'm planning on returning to my former profession later this year.... in the same role. I don't feel the old 'self-doubt and self-worth' issues are relevant anymore, even though I'm sure I'll think them at times. I can deal with them now because I know where they came from. It seems that much of being comfortable with who I am comes from just experiencing and accepting the who I was at different times. Accepting me in my changes.

I feel quite okay about going back to my old role now...  that is..... after I have finished my over-extended and well-earned break which I'm enjoying immensely. Also, chilling out here atm has been amazingly helpful too, along with my continuing therapy.

So to summarize what I meant by my original post, and in the context of who I am,
But that's not (necessarily) who you are, or may even want to be. I think we craft our own meaning in and of life, and then, hopefully, we are true to that, and in being true to that our essence emerges. Picture the metamorphisis that takes place following the pupal stage of a butterfly. It can't be rushed, it's a process, a journey - to be embraced. How magnificent --- the emergence of a beautiful butterfly.

Does that help you understand what I wrote - at all? If not, sorry it's the best I can do.
And once again, if you found my post offensive, I apologize.


Papillon

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Re: Trying to Justify Myself (What Am I Worth???)
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2008, 01:45:53 AM »
Papillon,

Can't even verbalize how profoundly I'd love to know what the two roles were...

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I'm totally stumped

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Re: Trying to Justify Myself (What Am I Worth???)
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2008, 10:14:54 AM »
(((((((((((((Papillon))))))))
My response was really a joke!!!! I just loved your joke! It made me laugh so hard!!!!
OK, so if I understand your story well... you tried to go against what you should have been? Is that right???? Are you happy now where you are???? The metamorphosis is the learning process? I am simple-minded... :)
The truth is, I should be a teacher. I love kids and school. I have been made to feel this is unspecial work. Which is ridiculous, because I have insane respect for my kids' teachers and the education process. And I am really good at getting across to all kinds of kids... So maybe that is what I have been trying to say and couldn't say?????
Carolyn, Ami, Leah, Hops... I really think that is my answer. I want to teach. But I feel I should be doing something "more important." I liked interpreting because I felt important, but I was miserable working for a nasty, cold person. I was continually degraded. At school, I have love from parents, kids and respect from the faculty.
Thank you all very much. I think this is the true heart of the matter. You know, in my family, there is one job that is respected - a doctor. My translating job was fairly impressive to them, but aside from that, they feel I was a waste of education. Why do I still care??????????
Love, Beth
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Re: Trying to Justify Myself (What Am I Worth???)
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2008, 11:16:09 AM »
My H is a doctor and he killed my son,is working on my other son  and practically killed me.     Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: Trying to Justify Myself (What Am I Worth???)
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2008, 11:22:19 AM »
((((((((((((((((((((((((Ami)))))))))))))))))

I know, doctors, so many, are far from perfect. My sister, in my opinion, is a mess in day-to-day life. I do believe she is a good doctor. But many aren't.

Hope I didn't hurt you, Ami>

Amber, thank you. I know that. I just don't feel it yet.

Love, Beth
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Re: Trying to Justify Myself (What Am I Worth???)
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2008, 11:24:12 AM »
No, Beth, I didn't see any hurt coming from you.                                         Ami
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Re: Trying to Justify Myself (What Am I Worth???)
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2008, 12:23:48 PM »
Ami,
I meant just by bringing up the profession of your husband. I am sure this is all on your mind incessantly, and I don't want to dig into a raw wound.
Love, Beth
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Re: Trying to Justify Myself (What Am I Worth???)
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2008, 12:30:34 PM »
No, Beth, the MORE truth I face, the better I will be. I thought you meant that I posted TOO much. Oh, the beauty of cyberspace(lol)  .           Ami
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Re: Trying to Justify Myself (What Am I Worth???)
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2008, 01:38:36 PM »
Beth, I can really relate to those feelings you're struggling with. I can only tell you about my experience. I had the same feelings. Felt like I kept trying to fill a black hole inside of me but the dirt kept on getting flung back out or it sank so far b/c the hole was bottomless. I rationalized, I justified, I said daily positive affirmations, I wrote notes of those affirmations and posted them all over my house -- nothing worked.

I, too, have been experiencing the same feelings about trying to find a job where I can use my skills and knowledge. Nothing doing. It's been hard to keep my head up and not feel worthless, tho' occasionally I slip down that slope.

What changed for me was realizing (with the help of my insightful, loving T) that I was trying to force those definitions, those positive attributes onto myself. Nothing was ever going to "take" that way. So I stopped. My T got me to accept my feelings of worthlessness instead of resisting them. Then we explored where they came from. At that point, in exploring the origins, all the numbness of my childhood and teen years exploded and the memories and feelings began coming back. I really mean "exploded". All my life I had thought parents were supposed to act like mine did. My T opened my eyes and reframed all those devastating years so I could finally "see" that my worthless feelings came from the way they treated me. As she accepted me and excoriated my parents and showed me the way true parents are supposed to act, I came to accept my feelings of worthlessness as legitimate. They WERE my feelings after all, and I had come by them legitimately. The strangest thing - once I accepted those feelings, she helped me accept other things about myself - my true worth. She didn't put words in my mouth, just let those attributes come from me.

Anyway, that was my turning point. Is any of this relevant to you?
"An unexamined life is a wasted life."
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Re: Trying to Justify Myself (What Am I Worth???)
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2008, 01:59:42 PM »
Towrite,
I had a big KABOOM instant like that too! All of a sudden, I realized that so much of what I thought was "bad" in myself was planted there by my parents. I am not bad... I am normal. Like you , I am picking through the rubble and rebuilding me from the nice pieces I find :)
So, when I can identify where the feeling originated, I can start to unravel the feelings and find the real me. I am not the sum of the things I have done... I am me. I am the person who did good and bad things and learned from experience just like the rest of the world. I am not an exception.
As for the job thing, towrite my HP (higher power, to me) know what he/she/it was doing when I didn't get any of the jobs I thought I wanted. I would have been in traffic endlessly. I would have never seen my kids. I would have had money and no soul. And I probably wouldn't have liked the job. I just didn't take the "rejection" well. I NEVER get turned down - lol. Nice, humbling lesson for me!! :)
Thank you towrite!!!!!
Love, Beth
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Re: Trying to Justify Myself (What Am I Worth???)
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2008, 08:45:32 AM »
Hi Gratitude 28,

Thanks for the reply. I appreciated it.

BTW, could you let your mother know how much I love cats too. Also I have some reallly great cat recipes I'd love to swap with her.

Also, I still think Leah's p/a list should have been the itinerary for the visit.


Leah's P/A list

Be Forgetful:  Avoids responsibility by forgetting.  Forget to buy toilet paper and when she arrives ask her to go get it.

Blaming:  Don't be responsible for not buying the toilet paper. Ask her "Did you bring any toilet paper? And why not?

Lack of Anger: Never express anger directly that she didn't bring her own toilet paper. Just do it in an under-handed way. "Don't you use toilet paper?"

Fear of Dependency:  Fight your dependency needs on her going out an buying toilet paper. "It's fine, just pass me a towel" should do. You can only claim victory if you deny your need of her support.

Fear of Intimacy:  The passive aggressive often can't trust. A passive aggressive will only allow you to buy their toilet paper, but not allow you to pass it through the door. If they feel themselves becoming attached, they may punish you by not accepting the toilet roll from you, and prefer instead to use the towel.

Obstructionism:  Do you want a toilet roll from your passive aggressive spouse? If so, get ready to wait forever for the toilet roll.
It is important to him/her that you don't ever get your toilet roll. He/she will act as if they are looking for the toilet roll, but sadly, rarely will he/she follow through with giving it to you. It is very confusing to have someone appear to want to give it to you but never follow through. You can begin to feel as if you are asking too much which is exactly what he/she wants to you to feel.

Victimization:  The passive aggressive feels they are treated unfairly in being asked to go and buy the toilet roll. If you get upset because he or she is leaving you stuck in the loo, they take offense because; in their mind, it was someone else's fault that you are there. He/she is always the innocent victim of your unreasonable expectations, an over-bearing boss or that slow clerk at the convenience store.

Procrastination:  The passive aggressive person believes that deadlines are for everyone but them. They do things on their own time schedule and be damned anyone who expects differently from them. So you'd better have a good book in there, as you are going to be waiting a long time for that toilet roll.


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Re: Trying to Justify Myself (What Am I Worth???)
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2008, 04:11:59 PM »
And, in the infamous words of Elaine's nemesis, "Sorry, can't spare a square!"
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