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« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2004, 12:12:50 AM »
Thanks for checking in, BT. I was thinking of you today. The first day on a new job usually feels 12 hours long!

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« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2004, 04:50:45 AM »
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« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2004, 01:06:58 PM »
Hi Phoenix & everyone.   Thanks for asking Phoenix, I was wondering about your situation, and was going to ask you, too.

I'm still alive!   But barely-heh...

Just doing a quick mail check before running out the door, and will post in more detail later today.  

Hope your news is good in terms of things working out to being exactly what you feel is the best scenario for yourself, Phoenix.

At least let it be so for one of us! hehe...   Whaaaaat a week!

Later  :)

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« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2004, 10:23:08 PM »
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« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2004, 12:54:55 AM »
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That was an interesting statement, BT, in light of what happened. I was having huge anxiety attacks and my hands were breaking out with excema, something I suffered once before in my life, twenty years ago. I found myself laying awake all night, unable to sleep. Finally I got sick I am sure from exhaustion and anxiety. (I am concerned a bit as I was bitten seven times in three days by mosquitos. WNV?)

One day , I was out in the back lot, checking in one of our UHaul trucks. I just wanted to linger ,it was so peaceful, I could smell the pine, the dirt. I wanted so much to get into one of those trucks and just drive away.I finally faced that it just wasn't going to work for me.

I live next door to my mom, I rent from her. I've been hanging in here at the condo, for financial benefits to her, until next spring. My mom is alot of fun, and I have a pretty good relationship with her, but there are some major problems at the same time. She is more dependent on me than I think is good, and her fearful insecure nature is constantly trying to drag me into her fear-filled little world. It is suffocating at times. I am pretty strong in the face of it. Even when she drinks herself into a massive hateful rage; but that is not often.Still.

I finally realized that I just have to go. I have to get free. I think this job was the last straw.

I told my employer that I honestly didn't feel I was learning as fast as she needed me to, and it would take the whole next three months to learn it all. She was very kind about it, she said she noticed that I was having difficulty, and thought it was good that I could recognize this in myself.

So now I have to tell my mom, and I think she will be ok. She knows it has been hard for me here and that I want to be somewhere else.

I am very excited about this. I feel great. My next decision is do I put what I have in storage for now, and move it later when I am settled, or do I just sell it all and start over?



Hi everyone—a little about the week.

Thanks for telling about your job situation as well, Phoenix.  I worded that statement like that because I went through the exact same thing as you this week, and when I wrote it, I was thinking that though leaving might not be looked at as the best outcome by others (they might think we are upset or “it’s a shame”) it might very well feel like the best thing in the world for someone truly not wishing, or able to be there.  

I also had very bad physiological symptoms.  I felt almost delusional by mid-week, and unable to think clearly.  By the end of the week, I was not able to focus at all, in terms of retaining any training information.  I was going insane at how the clock was moving so slow.  I also felt I was becoming very depressed and lethargic, and the quick onset at such depth really surprised me.  I was becoming an unfeeling(well, one constant-anxiety), detached, zombie…. and I was going to crack.

This whole way of being is not a normal happenstance for me at all.  I can’t remember feeling so emotionally unstable like that in 15 years (since between ages 14 – 21 with anxiety disorder in bloom).  

I have to wonder whether the whole thing might seem on the melodramatic  side to some, but there really are people whos physiologies truly are not suited to certain environments.  I won’t go all into “The highly Sensitive Person” trait thing again, but it was completely related for me.   The job was the embodiment of anything I could imagine as a personal nightmare scenario.  

I can’t do that type of job for even in the short term.   Too bad, because it paid well.   Though, what good is money when you are literally out of your mind.

Before this, I had been working in a completely different field for several years, which was really my heart’s work, and able to do it about 25-30 hrs./week.   The organization folded, and it is difficult for me to work in the same field in English, as I did.

I live in a primarily French speaking area, and although I can get by with my daily things just fine, I would need to brush up in order to do the type of work I was doing (counseling), solely in French.   So in the interim while studying French & looking for other scarce counseling work in Eng.,  I took on a completely dif. career, in the computer field.    

Anyway, I had the same peaceful moments as you describe Phoenix, when we went for a break.  I went for a walk several days and just wanted to keep walking so bad.    Finally, on Friday, I did.  I literally could not go back after lunch.    I was really going to go berserk, I felt.   I knew heart & soul, that I couldn’t stay another second.  

I called the trainer that evening and said that I needed to withdraw because I would miss too much training, due to a personal emergency.    My sanity! (little did he know).   He said he understood, and wished me well.

There are certainly other kinds of things I can do that aren’t related to counseling in the meantime, it is just that this particular thing I tried is not one of them.  I think I kind of sensed this intuitively before going in (and hence the anxious message posted here prior) but thought I should give it a try and find out factually.

So—that is my short-lived job adventure.   I kind of feel a bit silly in telling about it and then  it being so short-lived, but on the other hand, I’m just so relieved about letting it go to feel that way for long!   It was just the right choice for me.

I’m glad the leaving worked out well with your employer too, Phoenix, but much more so, I am really excited for the learning and growth the experience it has brought you. :)    It is almost like the U-haul in the alley was a literal personal message to you!

It sounds like you mean that you will not wait until Spring, and instead make plans to go very soon.  

It looks like you are about to embark on something very special, and I hope so much that the discussion goes well with your mother.  I know you will be able to word things in the best way possible to help things go as smoothly as they can.   As you mentioned, she already knows you’ve wanted to be somewhere else, so at least that part will not come as any surprise to her.  I’m glad you feel so sure and positive about it- that will give you strength, too.

I am very excited for you, and it would be great to know how things are going along with the process, whenever/if you feel like posting about it.  

It is a big step, and I really think you will grow so much from it.  :D

BT

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« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2004, 11:43:22 AM »
BlueTopaz,

You obviously did the right thing. I wish you could get a job in the field you're suited for. I hope you can.  :D

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« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2004, 12:38:20 PM »
Thanks so much Bunny!   I appreciate that.   And thanks for your support during this whole darn thing...  

BT  :D

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« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2004, 12:22:09 AM »
BlueTopaz,

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I was going insane at how the clock was moving so slow. I also felt I was becoming very depressed and lethargic, and the quick onset at such depth really surprised me. I was becoming an unfeeling(well, one constant-anxiety), detached, zombie…. and I was going to crack.


That's a tell-tale sign if I ever heard one.  How great that you have such self-awareness to notice this stuff so quickly and take appropriate action for yourself.

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Too bad, because it paid well. Though, what good is money when you are literally out of your mind.

There are certainly other kinds of things I can do that aren’t related to counseling in the meantime, it is just that this particular thing I tried is not one of them.


I respect your honesty, courage and integrity.  Way to go!!

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I kind of feel a bit silly in telling about it and then it being so short-lived, but on the other hand, I’m just so relieved about letting it go to feel that way for long! It was just the right choice for me.


I had a job like this for only one week once.  I stared at the time clock too.  I quit after 5 days there.  A few weeks later, I found a job that was more a long the lines of what I needed at the time.  You don't sound silly to me.  You sound like you are becoming more and more focused on what you want.  

Your story inspires me.  

Good Luck in your chosen field!!!! :D
"No one's life is worth more than any other...no sister is less than any brother...."

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« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2004, 11:22:21 AM »
{{{Dawning}}}  Thanks so much...

I can tell you that this experience would have been different one, from start to finish, had it not been for all of the unconditional support here.

Thanks for mentioning about your short-lived work experience, too.

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You don't sound silly to me. You sound like you are becoming more and more focused on what you want.


Yes-this is such a great way to re-look at it!  You've really helped me to gain a more empowering perspective on that part of things.  :)  I was kind of struggling with parts of that area.  

Thanks so much again, for lending your encouragment and support.  It has really helped me.  :D

BT

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« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2004, 03:12:42 AM »
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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2004, 12:23:19 PM »
Hiya Phoenix…

Thanks a lot for the link.

I don’t have any of her books but am acquainted with her, and I like her work a lot.  I like her overall self-development style but really gravitate toward the emphasis on creating work suited to one’s personal self (a huuuuge thing for me, and maybe you too  :) ), and her info. re. how to set goals.  I’m soooo lousy at it, and it is so, so important!  

Visiting the link got me re-interested in her, and I think I’ll do a little reading of her information online after typing this.  I truly need all the help I can get regarding goal setting right now.

I’m finding I can’t buy actual books for awhile though, because I have so, so many, that it is becoming overwhelming to choose something to read!  I can’t decide which, I  read parts of one and then keep switching…  I also see that many contain the same messages, said in a different manner.  

This is not a bad thing though, because each way of relating will touch people differently, and the diversity is helpful in having the information resonate with more people.   I just have to stop buying so many for a time hehe…  

When it comes to self development, I have been going with reading authors that I like on the Internet.  Many have detailed articles, newsletters, and discussion forums related to their work, and you can really get a lot out of what they have available online.

Speaking of which, I see that Barbara Sher has quite a lot of helpful online info. --  I’m really glad you brought up her name…    Going to get busy reading.   It’s  perfect for it—a very cloudy, cool, grey day here.  

I hope you can re-sign out the book again soon enough!  :)

Take care...

BT

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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2004, 12:52:02 PM »
Hi BT and Phoenix,

I'm really gratified by your discussion.  I had been feeling like a failure for not fitting into the corporate world and only recently really realized and accepted that I was not suited for it psychologically.  In fact, one of my supervisors (one of the more humane ones) told me that I needed to find a place to thrive.  That I wasn't thriving where I was.  She had gone to bat for me several times and it was clear that it was time to move on.  

BT, I saw myself in your last post about books!   :)  My process has always been to have a whole stack of stuff next to me when I am in a reading mood and I only read parts and flip around constantly.  Sometimes I read a book backwards! (that is, last chapter first).  I find with self-help stuff it doesn't really matter what order you read it in.  I can't remember the last time I read a book cover-to-cover (front to back). :D Thanks for steering us to authors' online sites--good idea.  

Hugs, Seeker

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« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2004, 03:36:37 PM »
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« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2004, 04:54:04 PM »
Hey Phoenix,

Are you applying for waitressing jobs?  I can't imagine that people actually expect this to be a long-term committment.  I know that some people do stay in such a job for years because of a family style environment, lifestyle choice, ownership, or whatever.  But that seems like a personal decision, not a management expectation...maybe I'm really off base.

Anyway, rather than try to answer specifically, perhaps you can say something like "I'm planning to stay as long as my contribution is valuable."  Yes, it's a hedge but maybe that's a tool you need right now.

Are there places more used to turnover that would serve your needs?  You know, places that hire students etc that come and go.  Just some thoughts.  You probably have figured all this out.  Good luck, Seeker

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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2004, 11:04:11 PM »
Hello :)

Seeker-- I feel very gratified by the discussions here about this, too.  I have known for a long while that I am not suited inwardly, but it was understanding why (which came only within the last 2 years in learning that I was a “Highly Sensitive Person”) and then it has been getting rid of the feeling of being a failure and not measuring up, which I have just begun to overcome.  When the masses place so much value on a certain thing, have little difficulty doing it, and even strive for it and seem to thrive in it, and even love it, someone who doesn’t fit that can build up a certain negative self image that becomes ingrained over the years.

I am now realizing that some do enjoy this type of environment, yes, but many others feel trapped because of practical/financial reasons or simply not knowing what else to do, and don’t like it either.  They are just able to mentally cope with it, whereas some people are not at all geared physiologically, emotionally, or spiritually to even attempt to endure it.  It goes a lot deeper than simply not liking what you are doing.  

Sheesh what a trying journey… I had to really think on it a few times, but I have found in the end that I am glad I’m this way….

I am now trying to take on the mindset of actually valuing who I am because of my individuality, and all of the special things it holds.  There is so much to suggest positive, beautiful, and gifted reasons for not fitting in.   I think it is just like your supervisor said…  It seemed she could sense the potential in you to soar above the rest….    It seems like it was actually a great compliment related to your giftedness and individuality.

I like so much, what Dawning said about changing jobs if needed because of not feeling suited.  It is really a positive thing-- a learning experience, and is honing in on and becoming more aware and focused on what you want and don’t want.   Remembering this is helping me.

I do the same with books.  There is no curling up in bed with a good book... it is more like a pile of 8 or so… Then I get tired and fall asleep with a whole slew of books on the bed—what a site to wake up to hehe…
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Phoenix--  I’m really glad it went well with your mother!   It must feel good to have the conversation of your plans out in the open.   Another step toward it all coming into fruition.  :)

Same prob. for me with jobs!    These are standard questions, and I was just asked that at an interview on Friday (for a child teaching assistant).   I am a lousy liar, and after saying my plans were long term, and I was interested in growth & advancement with the company a few times when this wasn’t the case, I felt bad, too.   I also think my face was straining not to show otherwise, and I had to put forward this very deliberate false look and voice projection when I said it, that sucked my energy and felt crappy.  

There is just no way around this question, and it gets asked every time.  They place a lot of importance on this, and it feels like it could make the difference between getting hired or not, all other things being suitable.

So, what I decided to say from now on, is “I am definitely looking for long term employment, and employment advancement”.   That’s it.    I am looking for that in my specific field of choice, and am only taking on temp other work now until I find it, but this way I am telling the truth, and feel a bit better, even if I am not being 100% specific and direct about the stability and advancement being with them.

I know this is a roundabout way amounting to almost the same, but I see a distinction and just that makes it a lot easier for me.  Kind of trying to make the best out of a hard to win situation in that regard.

I came up with a similar pre-planned thing for when I’m asked why I have applied to X company.   I find it helps to have something preconceived, that works for every type of interview.   The more I practice it the more confident it sounds when I say it.

Well, I’m so very glad to know that you are coming out of what sounds like one of the worst life phases for you….    You know, I don’t think it is that difficult for the mind to get to that place under certain conditions.   Several things things happen all at once, then the straw that breaks the…     And then I think that is just it… the loss of all hope…  That does it.  It’s terrible, and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.   That is when the lowest point comes, and the mind and spirit go that place…. …

Boy--I’m so happy for you that you have been able to get your hope back.  That is really the saving grace that turns everything around, I think…    

When you have come back from such a point, when you are able to choose to live your life versus not wanting to be here, I think strength is increased, and so many things are possible...  

BT