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hardtotrust

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Mars Attacks - example of N behavior and its counterpart
« on: March 20, 2008, 12:11:19 AM »
The other day I saw this movie (Mars Attacks) on TV (again). But this time I was surprised to notice some very clear demonstrations of N strategies and how the victims react. If you haven't seen the movie, don't do that, you probably won't like, so don't blame me.

But if you have seen it, there's a moment when the Martians arrive at Earth and they are properly welcomed.

The first thing they say is "We come in peace. We come in Peace". Everything is going smoothly. There is a feeling of communion in the air. Suddenly, they see a dove flying. What do they do?

They react, kill it and everybody else around.

Does it ring a bell? Do you remember a moment when everything was perfect, your N said something good, maybe a promise, maybe a declaration of love and then, suddenly, BAM! ???

OK. The Ns, cough, Martians showed their intentions, now we are supposed to strike back, get even or, at least get away from their malignant behavior. But what happened is soooooo strange... It was so uncalled for... Did it really happen? Was it a misunderstanding? Did we judge them the wrong way? Everything was just fine...

Well, in the movie they even start thinking that the dove was the culprit:
Ladies and gentlemen...
...it may be a cultural misunderstanding.
Maybe to them, doves mean war.


Well, well, how many times were you induced to think that YOUR good behavior was the cause of the N’s bad behavior? Was the dove the culprit? Now doves and good deeds mean war? Do you feel a fog in the place where your brain used to be?

This is a classic example of N behavior. To get the best results, they attack when it is completely unexpected (at least for the novice), when their behavior is so absurd that it is completely outrageous and if you happen to tell somebody else what you just saw or heard, they will think YOU are the crazy one.

But, OK, now the victim is trying to justify what happened:
We all saw how they reacted to that dove.
It frightened them.
He did say that...
..."We come in peace.
"

Reacting like a regular HUMAN being, trying to establish dialogue and understanding, the president of the United States sends a message to the Martians:
There can be no doubt
that we two peoples...
...have a great deal to offer one another.
You must be as excited as we...
...to find intelligent life in the solar system.


How many times did you think, “Wow, if we just can talk and solve things. If we put our problems behind us, everything will be fine. We have so much in common, we have a special relationship”...

So you try appeasing, giving love, affection, showing there's nothing to fear:
Let me make it clear.
You have nothing...
...to fear from us.


The result of this message?
Martians rolling on the floor laughing out loud, on the other end, at their spaceships.  BTW, did I mention the Martians had BIG heads?

Does it ring a bell? Was there a time when you were down and you were laughed at or got an even worse beating (maybe a verbal assault)? What was the result of your attempts to communicate?

But since the last rage/attack of our N, I mean, Martian, they showed some good will, it looks like he/she may improve his/her behavior, if we only try it a little harder.

So, in the movie, in a gesture of peace, humans grant the Martians access to the Congress, so they can speak and everything can get back on track.

What do the Martians do when they are given their chance to prove their goodness? They do something even more outrageous than the last time. They kill everybody present, without the slightest provocation.

You gave him/her access to the very inner core of your being. What was done with that? In how many pieces did he/her broke your heart and ripped your soul?

Candidly, the general still tries to talk:
Come on down, Mr. Ambassador (the Martian)!
Mr. Ambassador, please!
Please!
This doesn't make sense!
It's not logical! It's not...


He is also killed, of course.

Are you still trying to reason with your N? I am (insert sound of head banging on wall here). Do you try to convince him/her that what he/she is doing isn't logical/moral/correct/HUMAN? How efficient have been your attempts?

“Guess it wasn't the dove.” Do you still try to understand your N?

But why does your N does what he/she does?
They blew up Congress!
Why'd they do that?
Maybe they don't like the human being.


So, to end a long post, how do they defeat the Martians, if they do?

Well, since it’s a High-Tech movie, they exploded the brains of the Martians playing a piece of yodeling music, "Indian Love Call" by Slim Whitman.

Maybe that's what we should do to our N’s. Bore them to death! Let's forget them, exclude them, ignore them, till their brains(?) explode.



« Last Edit: March 20, 2008, 12:15:01 AM by hardtotrust »

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Re: Mars Attacks - example of N behavior and its counterpart
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2008, 02:38:37 AM »
HTT,

That was brilliant.  Yes I did see the movie and your comparison was so on the money.  Perfect!   Plus you gave me a good laugh.


Lets not forget the martian that dresses as a sexy female (deception, hidden agenda,manipulation,preys on vulnerabilities) and gets the congressmen to take her into the white house, just to destroy as many people as they can. 

Or when the president is speaking to the leader and is asking (what is wrong with you)  gives a heart felt speech to which the martian leader sheads some tears hangs his head (appears to show empathy, remorse, shame) to lift his head up and take out the President. (copies human emotions).

They had no intentions of sharing,interacting or making peace with humans.  They did not want to control the humans they wanted to destroy them.

Maybe that's what we should do to our N’s. Bore them to death! Let's forget them, exclude them, ignore them, till their brains(?) explode.

Yes HTT I do believe you Got It By George!

I really enjoyed this post.

Thanks

Love
Deb


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Re: Mars Attacks - example of N behavior and its counterpart
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2008, 09:13:07 AM »
Dear Htt,
 That was  a profound post,even though I did not see the movie. I think  I can speak from experience on how to 'get along" with N's(if you have to or chose to).
 I have an N mother and an N husband. You have to BEAT them down. That is it. You can't be kind, considerate, gracious or loving until  after you beat them down. Then,once they are beaten down, you CAN act "normally". However, they will always need to be beaten down and will NOT  learn. When you get "weak" ,in any way, they will try to rise up and abuse you, again. You have to do the whole thing ,all over again.
 You have to have a big club and be willing to keep using it.
 My H is treating me like gold, right now. The gig is up with him and he knows it. My M is the same, usually. When, she gets out of line, I get the stick and whack her(lol)
 It is sad,but simple. It is like "dog training" with a dog that NEVER gets it. The dog wll always try to get one up on you if you let your guard down. It took me a lifetime to learn this simple, yet profound, lesson--bleh
     Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: Mars Attacks - example of N behavior and its counterpart
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2008, 09:57:27 AM »
Perfect, Deb!

Now you got me wondering if the producer/writer of the movie had any experience with an N or was an N.

Thank you!

Yes, Ami! Let's whack them (lol)!

It is like "dog training" with a dog that NEVER gets it. The dog wll always try to get one up on you if you let your guard down.
Exactly!

Thank you, Ami.

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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2008, 12:14:24 PM »
Hi HTT,

That was an excellent read, I enjoyed that this morning, thank you.

It had me reflecting on the dynamics between my old therapist, who an N, (her damage of me during our work together is part of what brought me to this board and helped me to work through layers of damage from my N mom).

N's envy good. They envy love. The more I healed, embracing my codependency, the more capable of genuine love I became the more my N therapist began to despise me and envy me all the while projecting herself onto me and thinking it was me who was the envier and the N.

N's react to the goodness of this world with hostility.

I've learned that I was a co-N. At one point I was feeding off her success and the admiration that she got. I was helping her, I was aiding the enemy.

I would classify the US in the movie as a CO-N. They were willing to feed off the public admiration of power, no matter what the cost.


Gabben


« Last Edit: March 20, 2008, 12:51:52 PM by Gabben »

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Re: Mars Attacks - example of N behavior and its counterpart
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2008, 02:35:20 PM »
HTT - thanks I loved your analysis - made me laugh, too.
Character, which has nothing to do with intellect or skill, can evolve only by increasing our capacity to love, and to become lovable. - Joan Grant

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Re: Mars Attacks - example of N behavior and its counterpart
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2008, 06:43:58 PM »
This is absolutely wonderful, Htt  :D ... every bit of it... and
I especially like this part:

Quote
So you try appeasing, giving love, affection, showing there's nothing to fear:
“Let me make it clear.
You have nothing...
...to fear from us.”

The result of this message?
Martians rolling on the floor laughing out loud, on the other end, at their spaceships.  BTW, did I mention the Martians had BIG heads?

Does it ring a bell?

YES!
Only the very suggestion to Npd that possibly he/she is fearful of us is enough to enrage her and stir up a backlash of abusive treatment in which he sets us straight about how very much he neither fears nor needs us... ack.

Thanks so much for your post!!

Carolyn

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2008, 09:31:07 PM »
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Thank you for all comments! I learned a lot.

Sorry for not answering before, but my internet connection at home kicked the bucket last week and I didn't have time at work.

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