Author Topic: Sinking in Easter sadness  (Read 3355 times)

sunblue

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Re: Sinking in Easter sadness
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2008, 12:42:43 AM »
Thank you everyone!  It is so heart-warming to know that someone can listen and empathize with me.  I know we have all gone through similar situations many, many times.  It's never easy of course.....and sometimes it's really overwhelming.  I feel sometimes that all I'm doing is going through the motions of life, just using super-human strength to put one foot in front of the other.

Hops"

To answer your questions....Sad to say, most of my answers would have to be no.  I do volunteer at my church.  I teach Sunday school to middle-school children and volunteer for varioius church-related activities from time to time.  I don't have any animals but would love to get a dog someday.  I also just started working and the situation is very "iffy" to say the least....My goal, of course, would be to save enough to move.....but it frankly seems unattainable at this point.  I used to see a therapist a while back, and I've been thinking lately of making an appointment to see a new one...I don't relish having to start all over with someone...but I have done some research and located a doctor in the area who is actually familiar with NPD and voicelessness...so I may do that.
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And sunshine?  if only!  I not only crave sunshine, I need it....My clinical depression means I am very affected by lack of sunlight.  However, I live in a state where we are still being bombarded by snow storms...I can't wait till the sun pops his head out of the skies again.

Thank you all for listening and sharing and encouraging....You have no idea what a rare occurrence that has been for me in my life...So I value and cherish it....

I pray all of you are doing well and coping with your own struggles with Ns as best you can....Each day I notice my Nmom's narcissism is getting worse and more evident..or perhaps that's just because I'm more aware of it now....But it is just blatant...and sad really....How very sad it is not only for them to cause so much pain for their children and loved ones, but also to not ever be able to take joy or happiness in their family's lives....

I hope one day to be able to look at it and not feel that pain inside....

Thank you again for being such a wonderful source of sunshine in otherwise gloomy days...

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Re: Sinking in Easter sadness
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2008, 02:11:58 AM »
Sunblue - I encourage you to post more and more of your experiences like you had Easter.  I find it helpful to share these painful experiences with people who can truly empathize.  One of the things that I think helped me the most was finding this place where other people could actually believe the stories and experiences that are so completely insane that noone has ever truly believed what I had to say.

It really helps to have people believe you and have compassion because N parents/FOO never had compassion and I found that that compassion was absolutely necessary to being able to move on.

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Re: Sinking in Easter sadness
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2008, 06:59:36 AM »
Dear Sun,
 I agree with GS. Post and write,post and write. I know you had had experiences when people have told you to "Get over it.". In ANY group, there will be people who don't "get you". Even many therapists's don't "get " people. Look at my M,an N doing therapy--case closed -lol.
 Really, Sun, some people  WILL l 'get " you and help you. Many people don't "get" me or even like me. It is part of life and expressing who YOU are. I think you need to just keep expressing who you are, even if it is gloomy. I think, in time, you will feel better and better,just from that. Compost what does not fit ,Sun.               Love    Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: Sinking in Easter sadness
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2008, 05:36:04 PM »
Hi Sun,
You deserve bright yellow sunshine  8)  and fresh air and the love of a goofy dog.
Thank you for responding to my questions, and not feeling defensive.

Here's another big hug, much southern sunshine, and a doggy who has been waiting to meet you. (Maybe there's one at the local pound who could use a walker.)

Ears too, for as many stories as you have to tell.
I hope the pain eases more with each day, and hope the job soon settles in.

lots of love,
Hops
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sunblue

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Re: Sinking in Easter sadness
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2008, 01:00:34 PM »
Thank you all for your kind comments---and especially, your interest.  It is so foreign to me---that someone would express interest in something about me.

I seem forever to be struggling against the seeminly daily reminders from my Nfamily that I don't matter.  My Nsister (the chosen child) is a successful (translation: makes tons of money in her own business, has many material things) "professional".  While neither she nor my Nmom and co-D dad would ever acknowledge it, my sister's success has been the result, in large part, due to my mother's help.  After graduating, my Nmom intervened and got a colleague of hers to get my sister her first job in a firm.  My Nmom told anyone and everyone she ever met (including the customers she came into daily contact with in her own job) about my sister and her business.  The result is that my Nmom has referred literally hundreds of clients to my Nsister over the years.  She even got her own company to use my sister for much of their legal needs.  Yesterday, it happened again.  My dad told my mom of a phone message she got in which an acquaintance of hers asked for my sister's phone number because she knew of someone who needed her services. 

I felt the pain of the proverbial cut of the knife again.  My Nmom values only money, material things, "fame".  Intellectually, I know she favors my sister so much because she believes any success or "fame" she has is a direct reflection on her.  But, emotionally, it is still painful.  Neither my Nmom nor co-D dad have ever once mentioned to anyone they meet the kind of work I do---thus eliminating any potential that I might get referrals for the kind of work I do.  My Nmom never once has taken interest in my career or my chosen field.  Neither one has ever even asked me what my new job or title is....That is still very painful.  So, I am constantly reminded of my sister's "success" but no one but me acknowledges that the very reason she can be so successful is the constant attention, client referrals and direct business my Nmom gves her.

Not only does my Nmom spend literally every evening on the phone with my sister rehashing every client or every little detail of what happened to her during the day, but once again, she and my dad are spending the weekend with her.  Whenever my Nsis asks for anything, they RUN, not walk to fulfill her every whim.  This time it involved driving an hour away to meet her at a store where my Nsis intends to make some appliance purchases.  I think for me what hurts the most is watching the spark of joy on my Nmom's face when my Nsis calls or when they go with her for the weekend.  She never once thinks of me or my brother or my father, for that matter, in that way.  I know that my Nmom regards me only as a failure and has no respect for me.

This all is really just an aside....One common thread I've noticed in all the board's posts is that because there is no changing the N's behavior, regardless of how much we'd like to, the key seems to be in cultivating relationships with others outside the N family.  I have had no luck whatsoever in doing this.  I think this is partly because I never really learned how.  My Nmom and dad were always ridiculously private about everthing in their lives that we never had any extended family in our lives...no friends....no acquaintances really.  They always instructed us not to tell others things about our family or home.  Everything was and is always a secret.  Now, keep in mind, it's not like anyone in our family was a serial killer.  Their idea of "secrets" included everything from our getting a new car to my dad's change in job, to the kind of furniture we had in our house.  Neither of my parents know what is means to BE a friend to someone.  My mom always brags that she has these two, life-long women friends.  These individuals are wonderful people.  They always remember my mom on her birthday or holidays with phone calls or gifts.  Needless to say, she never returns the favor.  She never initiates a phone call or buys a card, claiming she's just not a "believer" in that.  She was asked to go on a trip, but never would, saying she had absolutely no interest in seeing a different place.  My parents never initiated connections with neighbors or other parents or even colleagues.  Our dysfunctional family was a very isolated one.

Even though I always made an effort, and frankly, have always been told that I was a really good friend to people, those very people never returned the favor.  I always found myself in one-way relationships (really just connections) or rejected or ignored by those who I did make an effort in getting to know.

So this whole "make new friends and relationships" thing is really very difficult for me.  I think other "healthy" people who haven't grown up in an N household assume that it is just natural to know how to make and have friends.  I mean everyone assumes that a person has friends.  But I don't.  At least not the kind of friends that made for two-way relationships.  What I find perplexing is that among myself and my siblings, I'm the only one that had difficulty in this area.  My "healthy" brother has always had ease in making friends and is currently happily married with a number of people he and his wife socialize with.  My Nsister, although truly incapable of knowing what a friend is, has at least been in a relationship with a decent (although I believe a co-D) guy all of her adult life.  She also keeps in touch with childhood friends....

So I don't get it.....Perhaps I'm just feeling low..and that's why I'm spouting off about all this....It just seems sometimes that I am in this hopeless, endless cycle of pain.  Someone on this board noted that it seems those that are the most introspective, the ones who "understand" NPD the best, the hows and whys of it all, are those that have the most difficulty.  Those like my brother, who understand there is dysfunction but is not interested in delving into the issue anymore than that, seem to have it much better...

Oh well...for some reason, just needed to get this down today....Thanks for all your support...I hope there is much sunshine where you are right now....At least I hope there is more SUN than Blue in your life...:))


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Re: Sinking in Easter sadness
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2008, 02:11:29 PM »
Hi Sun,

I think you are very right.  The ones who think about these things and ponder and try to solve are often also the ones who have the most trouble figuring out how to get out of it.  That's what I'm finding in my life anyway.  But I don't think you, or any of us who is like this, should try to stifle this aspect of ourselves.  This is who we are.  Perhaps as you get more and more of it "out" of you by posting or writing, it will leave more space for answers that will feel right to you.  At some point it will be time for another way in that might help you go forward.  I don't think it goes very fast, though.

Your descriptions of the how your FOO operates are more than just asides.  This is what happened to you.  This is how it happened.  I think by explaining it and analyzing it, you may end up finding a way out.  By seeing the differences in you from your siblings, you may begin to find out who you really are.  That is one of the things I'm working on now.  I didn't even  know who I was!  But I'm starting to see some direction now or some patterns that will eventually help me decide what is the real me.

I bet there are lots of incidents you can remember and it might be good to write them down or post them.  It may even take out some of the sting to do that.  You will own those incidents now.  It's hard to do but I have been finding that I feel better for having done so.  Still a long ways to go, though!!!

Hoping you find some peace this weekend.

Juno


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Re: Sinking in Easter sadness
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2008, 11:58:30 AM »
Sunblue - your posts touch me deeply.  When I first read your last post I wanted to think about a reply before posting and even though I have had time to think about it my thoughts have not completely come together so in the interim I want to encourage you to keep posting.

Earlier I shared with you some of my own thoughts about getting past the pain of last Sunday but I have changed my mind on that.  I think it will be helpful to you to keep posting your struggles and your painful experiences.  I hope you will receive alot of empathy.  My experience in life and in reading other's experience on board is that growing up in N families many of us never received the sympathy for difficult times that we needed and deserved.  I found it extremely difficult to get past those painful, exclusionary experiences.  One of the most helpful means to begin to heal from past and present experiences like you wrote about was by sharing it here and finding kind board members who could sympathize.

I fully connect with so many things you wrote about: not having friends, living with family "secrets" and much more.  I promise to come back later and write more explicitly.  Keep writing about your experiences with your family.  It is time you have understanding and validation for the miserble times in your life.  Most sincerely, Gaining Strength