Author Topic: Ambient abuse  (Read 4454 times)

Gabben

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2008, 12:00:47 PM »
A good example of ambient abuse is lighter's post here on my thread to hops....Basically what lighter does is try to stir things subtly so that when people do speak up, like me right now, she can point the finger back with excuses, justifications and blame all in an attempt to make the person feel crazy.

Of course, that is what abusers love to do is to make others feel crazy...because then they appear to others exactly the way the abuser wants them to appear...typical N strategy.

Of course no one would notice this except me and that is exactly her game. Bullies like to pick on people in private when no one can see or others won't step up to say anything because they are afraid...bullies love to intimidate.


Let me ask people something....how do you feel when someone shows up on your thread, who you know clearly does not like you, and responds to another poster as if you are not in the room.

It is sort of like the mean girls at high school ploy when they use exclusion and let's have a conversation and leave her out....type stuff.

Lighter -- stay off my threads unless you have something to say to me directly....my gut feels nauseated when I read or see posts by you.

Others, from time to time, connect with each other on different peoples threads and it is not in response the thread maker but I can tell when it is done with malice and when it is innocent....Lighter is far from innocent....just look at her past bullying behavior and the way Dr. G has had to warn her -- Once a bully, always a bully.



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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2008, 12:10:39 PM »
Yes!             Love  Ami
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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2008, 01:28:46 PM »
Possibly Yes, possibly No.             Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2008, 01:32:51 PM »
I didn't know that Lise requested that, Amber.
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Gabben

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2008, 01:33:43 PM »
I'm a bit troubled by the whole premise & concept of "ambient" and "covert" abuse.

Because it seems a bit like "looking for trouble"... we can't KNOW others intentions; so it's almost like condemning a person without knowing the facts... based on a feeling of fear that someone somewhere is trying to control us. If we own our feelings - no one is "controlling" or "abusing" us... and we are able to define and enforce our boundaries.

If we're not fearful and always looking for abuse to drop on us without warning, out of the blue... then we have the time/energy to maintain our basic defenses and devote more to healing.

Don't you think?


Owning our feelings is about standing up for ourselves, (owning our intuitions) without falling to pieces....That is exactly what I did :D :D :D :D :D

Sometimes people need to hear the truth and need to have things set straight. Is that not why we have justice departments, lawyers and jails?

There is a lot of dishonest people lurking around in this world who are either taking or giving. If they are not giving then they are taking and usually that means that they are taking something like our sanity, which for me is precious...I'm not even going to let the smallest amount of dirt get by.

I'm at peace.

Lise


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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2008, 01:34:40 PM »
Gab - I haven't heard the term "ambient abuse", but it makes sense. It's so subtle that if we bring notice to it, others label us "crazy", then we do that to ourselves, too. Is that it? That has been my experience, anyway. I learned the hard way to trust my gut on these things. I'm still vulnerable to being called crazy, but now I know what I know. Don't have to prove it to anyone - which is what I always thought I had to do, growing up with an NF as a lawyer.

It must have been especially difficult dealing with an N lawyer.  Feelings, intuitions, memories wouldn't count for anything. 

It seems to me most everyone is trained to some degree in a lawyerly way of judging situations.  So it's really difficult to get across to others the reality of covert N abuse.   Before finding this board,  I tried to explain to others what went on in my FOO, and they typically wanted concrete proof of abuse, such as scars or eyewitnesses.   Without such proof, then it's quickly assumed the complaints are trivial, or I am the problem.  It's hard to quickly explain 18 years of chronic "ambient abuse" or emotional neglect.   

Gabben

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2008, 01:38:12 PM »
Ami, I was responding to Lise's question. For Lise... and she's requested we not have side conversations.


Actually, I never requested that people do not have side conversations...where did I say that? Show me where I said that....putting words in my mouth again Amber?

I could care less if Ami talks to you because I know that Ami cares about me and she is my friend.

Not so with lighter...do you see the difference?  It is not all that black and white, Amber....not. I'm talking about specific instances that are grounded in mean spiritness. Ami was not mean.....and she never has been.

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2008, 01:40:20 PM »
Yes, My response to Amber is that  part of our  problem is seeing things in  too black and white.       Ami
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Gabben

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2008, 01:51:28 PM »
Amber,

Sometimes our thinking and vision is distorted and skewed but I understand it takes time for us to heal.

That line about high school is an example reflective of one person and one situation. Once again, it is not ALL black and white. And once again you are putting words in my mouth. Perhaps before you jump to bias conclusions you could seek clarity first?? Perhaps, that usually is a sensible thing to do.

Lise





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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2008, 02:36:45 PM »
Glad that I could make you laugh!! :P :P 

ME :D


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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2008, 05:55:17 PM »
Not laughing here, Lise... and I see exactly what you mean here on this thread.... every aspect of it. Thanks!

Love,
Carolyn

Gabben

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2008, 06:09:30 PM »
Thank you for your support Carolyn. I think the worst abuse in the world is psychological...we need our reality and when people start messing with our reality, it hurts and it can have a grave outcome.

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2008, 06:24:31 PM »
The way to deal with ambient abuse is to put back ON the person what they did to you. You can do it to them, with actions , or you can just know the truth.
 Some is best to ignore and some is best to confront. You just have to use your intuiton on it, I think.    Love    Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

Gabben

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2008, 06:25:58 PM »
The way to deal with ambient abuse is to put back ON the person what they did to you. You can do it to them, with actions , or you can just know the truth.
 Some is best to ignore and some is best to confront. You just have to use your intuiton on it, I think.    Love    Ami

ditto