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gratitude28

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I've Never Given Them A Chance
« on: April 28, 2008, 10:01:37 AM »
I've been thinking about this... and would like some input.

I have never told my family how I feel. I have never pointed out any inequalities... even the glaring ones.

I can imagine their responses... but am I being unfair? Am I assuming? What could I possibly get out of having an "understanding" anyways?

I can't imagine there is any way that being forthright would make us have any kind of relationship. I think it is too late for me to care.
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Re: I've Never Given Them A Chance
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2008, 10:14:36 AM »
Hmm, I've never shared how I've felt with my family either... In fact I rarely share my feelings with those who I feel have treated me badly.  When I think about it, it seems that if I were dealing with people who were decent I might be slightly responsible for not allowing any kind of resolution or closure.  THe road I did take was to pretty much disown my family. 

But then really, I don't know if its unfair... In my case it was they who created the situation and none of them actually made an effort to resolve it either.  I don't think repairing the relationship with my mother is really worth the effort. 

I wouldn't ever want to encourage anybody not to work things out though if it were possible...

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Re: I've Never Given Them A Chance
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2008, 10:21:40 AM »
I think writing letters to your family members.....

really voicing your pain and anger..

letting it all fill the pages.....

is an excercise you could go through, for yourself.

After you've gone over and over what you've written, you can send the letters, have the chat or choose to do nothing.

Up to you.

The important thing I'd get out of it is distilling my feelings down to their basic make up, without a lot of emotion.... and finding some peace.

If you choose to talk to family members.....

I hope your expectations are realistic so you feel liberated....

instead of dissapointed or saddened by their reactions/choices.

((gratitude))

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Re: I've Never Given Them A Chance
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2008, 10:40:07 AM »
I've never really expressed anything about this stuff to my family, except by accident.  A number of years ago, I had basically the same conversation with each of my parents over the phone.  We had always discussed the rough years as if it had all been my sister's fault due to her difficult personality.  The conversations evolved somehow that I found myself saying, "Well, you're glad you had me aren't you, because I was 'good'?"  Each of them said, No, if they had to do it over again they wouldn't have had children, not even me, not even though I was good.

Can any of us here imagine saying anything remotely like that to any of their children, no matter how provoked?  I can't.  This example just illustrates the very basic "thing" that is missing in these people.

I can understand wanting things to have been better or easier or whatever.  But to not be able to say, well, it was rough but you turned out okay and you have given me great grandchildren and you are this good thing and that good thing..... it was worth it.....  I just can't explain why they don't get it, but they don't. 

I guess I think it would likely be a pointless conversation, Beth.  One where you would just get hurt.  Or frustrated.  If anything changed, it wouldn't be real or for long.

The last time I saw my sister, I picked up this buzz that she gives off.  You just can't talk to her because it is all about her.  Mother.... similar thing.  I keep it pretty surface with most of my family actually.  There is just dysfunction everywhere I look.  But they don't want to see.  They want to keep it comfortable and familiar.

I suppose you don't really have anything to lose by trying it.  But I suspect you can guess already how it will go.

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Re: I've Never Given Them A Chance
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2008, 11:00:48 AM »
Darren,
You sound a lot like me in this respect. I think now in my life with people outside my family, I am honest and up front. And it has made a difference with people I care about. Also, like you, Darren, I just don't think there's any repair - how do you erase 38 years with the future hope only of being treated strangely, and like a stranger, because you dared question or critisize?

Lighter,
I think writing a letter and then burning it is a good way to go. I think I am afraid to write that letter. I have written a journal about it... and it helped me clarify... I don't think I have any unreasonable hopes - I know I will never be comfortable with them - and isn't that what family is supposed to be - a comfort zone in life???

Juno,
I also think it would be pointless. I just wanted to make sure my thoughts were what others thought - that I wasn't just being selfish in order to hold a grudge or some such thing. I am amazed your family said that to you - but at least they were honest. My mother would be dramatc and "darling" me to death and then switch it all off about a second after talking to me.

Thanks for confirming what I am thinking. I would love to see more ideas on the subject and make sure I really am headed to right direction.

Love, Beth
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Re: I've Never Given Them A Chance
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2008, 11:14:43 AM »
I want to add something because I want to support you.  I am unclear about the way for you to go.  I am glad that you have been given heartfelt thoughts by several others.

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Re: I've Never Given Them A Chance
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2008, 12:01:40 PM »
Dear Beth
 I could be wrong,but I hear the yearning for a family who loves you ,under the question.  You  would do whatever it takes ,to have that.
 I am finding that "whatever it takes" is not enough. What it WOULD take is my annilihation, which I almost gave.
 The NM is a story where the ending never ends happily.
 Compost what does not seem right, Friend.   Love    Ami

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Re: I've Never Given Them A Chance
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2008, 12:27:42 PM »
Hi Ami,
I think I used to yearn for that acceptance. I think I know for sure I will never have it - I think the passing of my friend's mother has made it so clear to me. I just can't envision any way in which we would all be a happy, healthy group who enjoyed each other and shared experiences nicely. It just ain't gonna happen.

GS, Thanks for the shout out :)

Love, Beth
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Re: I've Never Given Them A Chance
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2008, 12:47:11 PM »
hi Beth,

For all your family are your feelings the same? or are there different ones?

My experience was, after not seeing my brother and sister for over 10 years, but emails here and there, I came to the conclusion that when they arroved here last summer I would face the, with my truth of why I am me. 2 others sisters back east, all 2000 miles away.

They listened, but I don't think they understood a word I said. not at all. Not a word has been mentioned since they went home.

All they wanted to know was what a certain heap of dirt/sand/clay was doing encased in a barrier on a prime downtown lot. I wasn't sure myself but said I had been eyeing this mini-mountain and would tell them.

When the dirt was hauled away and work began I told them in emails and I'm sure they rejoiced so much they were too tired to reply!

Just write it out to yourself and mail it to yourself, and it will feel as those they have heard you.

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Izzy
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Re: I've Never Given Them A Chance
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2008, 04:52:07 PM »
Beth, I don't think you are being selfish, I think you are being smart.  They had their chances, all your life.  It is okay to keep being honest, though.  Maybe some day you will say something, just off the cuff, not defensive, and it might get through.  Just you being you.

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Re: I've Never Given Them A Chance
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2008, 09:31:36 PM »
Yup yup yup.... family is supposed to be a safe haven... a comfort zone.

Thank goodness there are the familie's we're born with.....

and the families we can choose.

Family doesn't have to be FOO.

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Re: I've Never Given Them A Chance
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2008, 10:30:19 PM »
I've been thinking about this... and would like some input.

I have never told my family how I feel. I have never pointed out any inequalities... even the glaring ones.

I can imagine their responses... but am I being unfair? Am I assuming? What could I possibly get out of having an "understanding" anyways?

I can't imagine there is any way that being forthright would make us have any kind of relationship. I think it is too late for me to care.

Hi, Beth,

I've wondered about this, too... at times when I've thought to myself, "But they don't even know me... I've never given them a chance."
When I quit drinking, that involved a major pointing out of inequalities...
and since then, there've been other issues, including my letter last year, in which I pretty much introduced myself to them, as a virtual stranger.

And, you know... their response/reaction isn't even much of a factor in the whole thing, at this point, although their lack of interest did hurt for a while.
Seems like I needed to take those deliberate steps in order to complete the act of separation - the cutting of the cord - which somehow never was quite accomplished before.
It was my way of clearing the slate... talking about who I am now, not about how I feel toward them and all that...  more like, "tada... here I am..."
And all of that to a resounding:  Thud.
And I expected.... ??? 
Well, I didn't know, but I found out... nothing changed - but me.

So... trying to communicate with some people about feelings and such - or even trying to share a bit of your identity and what interests you - I think it all falls flat at their feet like some unknown dialect. And yet, I don't think it's a waste of time at all. At least, for me it wasn't.

I don't know what's the best way for you to deal with this, but I learned alot about myself through the exercise and let go of plenty, too.

Love,
Carolyn

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Re: I've Never Given Them A Chance
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2008, 11:06:47 AM »
Carolyn,
It is scary how much we are alike.
I have been sober for a while now too, and my real personality has come out in that time. They have NO idea who or what I am. My mother still doesn't know what things I like or dislike. Do you know that every time she served a vegetable that I didn't like as a kid, she was utterly surprised when I said I didn't like it. And the same things I have not liked since I was a child - she still doesn't know what they are.
I also remember one day I said something witty - she looked at me like I was a foreigner - like she couldn't believe that I was able to come up with a witty remark.
No, they don't know me, and their eyes glass over when I tell them about anything interesting to me. That has been my biggest tipoff that there is no point in trying to communicate with them.

Lighter, My family (mine) is my comfort zone. I love it. It is so funny I never knew you could have that until now.

Love, Beth
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Re: I've Never Given Them A Chance
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2008, 12:00:34 PM »

Dear Beth,

My comfort and safety zone is No Contact, an agonizing decision reached, long after an attempt was made by myself, in giving both my parents, more than one chance, each time, to know.

There was, is, nothing I can do to change someones heart, they are way they choose to be.  Mother has alienated all of her children, she never wanted children;  for she told me that if she were young today, she would not have children.

I tried, that was truthfully, all that I could do.

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Re: I've Never Given Them A Chance
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2008, 12:51:00 PM »
I don't know much about your background and family experience, but ... it can go any way, and it could go in a way that you could never predict, good or bad. The important thing is to take the risk, if you've had problems with being voiceless. Unless you know for sure that you will get abused.

I never said a lot to my family, but there was one night when I thought my father was going to lose all control and for the first time, break out in physical violence against me -- pummel into the ground. I had been homeless, waiting for an apartment to be finished, and, without any other even remote possibilities, went home. I didn't even last 24 hours until my dad flew into one of his rages.

Will spare you most of the story, but as he angrily followed me out of the house in his rage, literally stepping on my heels he was in such hot pursuit, whatever he said (I can't remember), for the first time in my life I screamed out at him that he'd never loved me and I never felt loved. Then he yelled that maybe I should go to a psychiatrist, and I yelled back maybe I already was. And then he followed me to my car, hung on to the open door; I tried to pull away but he still hung onto the car door, so I put the car in gear and drove down our driveway with him holding onto the car door and screaming at me (I don't remember what).

It was the first time I ever stood up to my father or said anything to him.

He told my mother she couldn't call me or talk to me. (Somehow we managed.) He didn't talk to me for 3 months. But in the meantime, my mom said that he was going to call me, sometime, just to wait.

And I did. I can't remember quite what or when because it was a long time ago.

I'll tell you this: that night was the beginning of my relationship improving with my father. Ever so imperceptably, he started moving closer and our relationship improved. It happened over a period of several years, and we didn't really become close until after my mother died -- but it showed me that he cared. He made the move(s) to get closer.

I never approached my mother, however, because I knew it was pointless. I knew I'd never get anything from her. She always looked like the "good one" compared to my father, but she was in fact much more subtle. I got very little from her and knew I never would, so I never talked to her or confronted her. Although my dad was loud and abusive, and hurt me, the things my mother did to me were far more hurtful. Just a lot more subtle.

My brother, I could have talked to about anything. But then again, I didn't have to worry about him. We were always close.

My sister loves me, but she's not very emotionally available. She's there in a very practical way, but the one or two times I've opened up and tried to talk to her, you'd think we'd grown up in two separate families (and in some senses we did). She's like Scarlet O'Hara: I'll think about that tomorrow. I think if she opens one door, she'd have to open a thousand, so she just keeps them all closed to keep the house of cards going.

So, I guess what I'm saying is it just all depends. If you have some sense of your family, and who you might get something from and who you might not, then you can take a somewhat calculated risk.

But, if you can do it, do it anyway, because you do it for yourself. You may not get what you want back from them; you may not get anything at all, or you may get abuse.

But you will have spoken up and used your voice, and that's the important thing. That's what you really get out of doing it, and it's priceless, whatever the consequence.

??? Let us know how you do, if you do it.