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sKePTiKal

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Re: To Prevent Sinking
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2008, 02:29:32 PM »
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We get to experience "self"-pity because in our families, no one pitied us for the horrors that we endured, no one comforted us when others were cruel, no one pitied us when we fell on our faces.

GS - I think you're absolutely right. We are allowed this kind of self-pity when we experience or re-experience those original wounds. Part of the abusive environment we grew up in, was that we weren't even allowed to feel sorry for ourselves about such huge disappointments, heart-wounds, and meanness.... when in reality, people should've been scooping us up in warm, strong arms and rocking us, smoothing our hair & letting the tears soak the shoulders of shirts until we were ready to feel better again - and ready to allow feeling better, in.
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Re: To Prevent Sinking
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2008, 03:14:14 PM »
I have a memory of my Dad that is so important to me, and it makes me realize even more how grateful I am to have had him in my life...I think it represents one source I had that made all the difference as I tried to climb out of Nmother and Nbrother damage.

I had struggled so hard in school to be accepted and liked and failed miserably. In second grade I was so eager to participate and be liked. The teacher (I found out later) was an active alcoholic who LOATHED my mother (who taught 1st grade in the same small school). She loathed my mother's prim goodiness to the point that she would start humming The Old Rugged Cross when Mom walked by. I had no idea of these things, except to sense that for some reason this grownup lady really disliked me, and it was the first time in my young life I'd been disliked by an adult (other kids, I half-expected, because of my brother's behavior). But not the TEACHER. (I worshipped teachers on principle, as both my parents taught).

Anyway, this teacher had a ritual of writing a Privilege Message on the blackboard. Every morning as the class filed in, some lucky/good student would have a message. E.g., Fred, please carry a message to the office for me. Susie, take these 2 library books up to the library. Understand, for 7 and 8 year olds, this was a BIG DEAL! They'd puff with pride and carry out their duty. I was just barely six and tiny, but BOY, did I want a message/duty. And she knew it too, because I was so transparently eager.

So one day, the blackboard said, Hops, come up to my desk for a message. I HOPPED from my seat and eagerly went up, little heart all pumping with joy...and she glared at me and said (loud enough for the class to hear): "You have an Unsatisfactory in Conduct, because you talk too much. Now take this home to your parents."

I didn't even understand the word, but I understood her tone. I was crushed. When I got home I was so sad I coudln't even talk. My mother took one look and, at least bless her for knowing her limits, said to my father, You'd better handle this. Dad took me to the living room, put on a stack of the gorgeous symphonies he knew I loved as much as he, and just pulled me onto his lap, wordlessly. I will always remember sitting there in his arms, maybe crying a little, but mostly just knowing that in that silent embrace, offering me the comfort of music (the only emotional language he really could use, but we had that in common) and his arms, the rough scratchy wool of his jacket, and his quiet attention to just me (no papers or books) while we sat there for a long long time.

I was still a sad little girl, but that was a moment that affirmed for me that I truly was loved. And I wish for every sore heart here that each person here had had at least one parent or loving relative who had touched them with kindness or responded to their pain with a gesture of love.

I send spongey shoulders by the ether, for what they're worth, they're here.

(((((((((((((all-a y'all)))))))))

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Re: To Prevent Sinking
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2008, 03:21:05 PM »
Hops,
What a sweet story... and gosh, do I know what you mean about being transparent and sooooo wanting people to like you. I did that so much of my childhood. I am glad your dad was there to make that horrid day nicer.
Love, Beth
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Re: To Prevent Sinking
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2008, 04:14:34 PM »
Wow, this has gotten to be a great thread. Hops, it is so sad that  the other teacher had to get back at a helpless child b/c she disliked the mother.
Today, I felt  "grief"  come over me, but not as intensely. I have made the intellectual decision to try to act with more integrity(wholeness)  and not to "melt" in to other people so I will be loved.
 I feel a little calmer, inside.
 However, I still have the feelings of grief. I think it is from being disconnected from  myself. I think it is the grief of HAVING to make the decision to throw myself away. I really do think THAT  is the grief. I ,still, run away with coffee, exercise, talking on the phone, and shopping. However, the  grief feels a little more accessible to me. It  has more of a shape and ,as such, I will be able to grab it, at some point and let it go.
 As I have healed the "melting" in to people ,for  love, my stomach has gotten better. I think of all the pain  people go through with medical procedures when the root was emotional pain       Ami


Part of the grief is a hopelessness of "Why try?" and "Why bother?".Nothing will change, it is unchangeable. It has to be how I felt as a child,just being replayed in the present.I am sure of it.

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Re: To Prevent Sinking
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2008, 10:16:10 PM »
I got angry at s/one I love and they still love me. It is amazing. I ,even, was strong in things that would make them mad, but were , important to say.  I feel like the happiest person b/c I can be whole and still be loved. I am crying  tears of  relief. I thought you could ONLY be loved if you anticipated other people's needs and  satisfied them. .Independence NEVER went along with love,for me. Subservience went along with love.
 It is all new, for me, but wonderful, too wonderful for words.I don't HAVE to lose me,in order to be loved.   Ami
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No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2008, 12:29:10 AM »
Ami........I am so glad you are my friend. You've got a lot of great qualities and having guts is one of them. I am totally on your side and I consider this an honor. I had a pretty good day myself. I dared to get angry, really angry and see the truth of what happened with my FOO. I trusted my guts/perceptions and followed thru. All 4 of them cruelly used and abused me and then blamed me and my reactions.... especially my anger in order to shut me down so they would not have to face the truth of what they were doing and why. They are just cruel cowards, even willing to sacrifice their own flesh and blood rather than to know the TRUTH. Anger IS OKAY and it is a real door that allowed me to see the truth of their lies. I almost died from their abuse and lack of love and I even blamed myself thru all of it. They could have stopped it but they chose not to. I can see now the reality of evil and good and I was never evil as I believed but THEIR actions were. I finally know what love is and what evil looks like. In my wildest dreams, I would never have believed I would be forced to learn this lesson by way of my own family, those people who I was entrusted to for safe keeping. To see the truth of these people I loved but who did not love me takes guts but it is setting me free. You will find the same too. This little boy is growing up now and if they ever try this again I am going to kick some A**. I think you're doing great.....Love you, James

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Re: To Prevent Sinking
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2008, 01:01:36 AM »
I got angry at s/one I love and they still love me. It is amazing. I ,even, was strong in things that would make them mad, but were , important to say.  I feel like the happiest person b/c I can be whole and still be loved. I am crying  tears of  relief. I thought you could ONLY be loved if you anticipated other people's needs and  satisfied them. .Independence NEVER went along with love,for me. Subservience went along with love.
 It is all new, for me, but wonderful, too wonderful for words.I don't HAVE to lose me,in order to be loved.   Ami





Way to go Ami!!!!!!!!! I feel your joy, celebrating your break through with you, and kuddos to your friend, because that is a true friend. ((love to you both))
seasons, who can imagine how wonderul it is.


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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2008, 06:52:46 AM »
Ami........I am so glad you are my friend. You've got a lot of great qualities and having guts is one of them. I am totally on your side and I consider this an honor. I had a pretty good day myself. I dared to get angry, really angry and see the truth of what happened with my FOO. I trusted my guts/perceptions and followed thru. All 4 of them cruelly used and abused me and then blamed me and my reactions.... especially my anger in order to shut me down so they would not have to face the truth of what they were doing and why. They are just cruel cowards, even willing to sacrifice their own flesh and blood rather than to know the TRUTH. Anger IS OKAY and it is a real door that allowed me to see the truth of their lies. I almost died from their abuse and lack of love and I even blamed myself thru all of it. They could have stopped it but they chose not to. I can see now the reality of evil and good and I was never evil as I believed but THEIR actions were. I finally know what love is and what evil looks like. In my wildest dreams, I would never have believed I would be forced to learn this lesson by way of my own family, those people who I was entrusted to for safe keeping. To see the truth of these people I loved but who did not love me takes guts but it is setting me free. You will find the same too. This little boy is growing up now and if they ever try this again I am going to kick some A**. I think you're doing great.....Love you, James


Dear James,
 I can see your  strength in your stand with  your parents. You got in touch with another layer of truth( and the feelings) That gave you, back ,more of yourself .You expressed more of what needed to be expressed---the depth of your anger about the violation by your family.
 Our lives were so awful and so stuck that it may have been a" gift'  that we must find our true voice. It is a passion, not a perhaps.
 Thank you for your friendship. It is one of the most precious gifts I have ever gotten.
When you have a friend who lets your truth come out and just "be", you can go against what you "should"  feel to what you "really" feel. It is like the Mastercard commercial---priceless.
 
   Love    Ami

 
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: To Prevent Sinking
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2008, 07:29:47 AM »
I got angry at s/one I love and they still love me. It is amazing. I ,even, was strong in things that would make them mad, but were , important to say.  I feel like the happiest person b/c I can be whole and still be loved. I am crying  tears of  relief. I thought you could ONLY be loved if you anticipated other people's needs and  satisfied them. .Independence NEVER went along with love,for me. Subservience went along with love.
 It is all new, for me, but wonderful, too wonderful for words.I don't HAVE to lose me,in order to be loved.   Ami





Way to go Ami!!!!!!!!! I feel your joy, celebrating your break through with you, and kuddos to your friend, because that is a true friend. ((love to you both))
seasons, who can imagine how wonderul it is.





Dear Seasons,
 There is a "gift" that some people have to be able to  encourage others. You have that, Seasons.You were so right about my true friend. It is very "different" from the paradigm of our families, where you had to twist and turn for your psychic survival. I had to become "blank".It is scary to start letting my original self  write it's story.
 My friend told me love was there to stay.I don't know what is sweeter than that.
 Thanks for being "you", Seasons.   Love    Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2008, 07:38:08 AM »
I am really getting in touch with the "fear" about being a "defined" self. Arthur Janov says to "do the opposite of what is comfortable". Then, the feelings under the maladaptive pattern will come out and you can see them.
 I made a vow to act with integrity(honor my feelings)
 It is SO scary. I am sitting here, with a stomach ache.
 To see myself going out in to life, being strong in who I am, seems like I will have an army against me, arrows flying everywhere.. It seems so hostile, anger everywhere(lol)and I will have to be strong to back it down.
 I just am too tired of being the way I am. It is like an overweight person who just cannot stand being overweight, any more. I just can't stand being servile any more. I want to have an identity.          Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2008, 07:42:27 AM »
This is all so encouraging!  Without each other to prop ourselves we WOULD sink.  I am starting to understand that my mom is like a cancer.  I think I have conquered how she controls and manipulates me and then I realize she is doing it again through a back door.  I have been had!  It is almost like I am constantly putting out her emotional fires only for another one to start up.  The newest one is having me coming and going over my d with autism.  Daycare this.  Therapy that.  Me running.
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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2008, 07:49:33 AM »
I got a really big lesson with anger and my friend.
I can BE angry,but chose how I express it. There does not have to be a direct pipeline between an emotion and it's expression. I can pull back and plan how I will express strong emotion.
 This is  a different paradigm.
 I can have all the strong feelings, but *I* can control their expression. Part of me wanted to "blast" my friend . However, I got some wisdom, somewhere, that "told" me,don't bulldoze with your anger.Your friend is precious. Don't hurt him. Express yourself and don't hurt him at the same time. It CAN be done. Words are powerful. I can express my truth, but not with wounding blows. My M never knew this ,of course. When she gets angry, ALL will come out.
 The expression of my anger can be controlled by me. My feelings do not control me. *I* control them. This is totally new. I have been so afraid of my feelings, so,so afraid. I thought they had nuclear bomb power.
 They don't and my thoughts don't either.
  I am separating the different parts of myself and starting to get comfortable with myself, not as "bad",but as many sided.
 Some sides are totally childish. They want childish needs. It is OK, I guess, for them to BE there. but their expression is what needs to be controlled by "me", NOT the needs.
 Am I right on this thinking?         Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2008, 08:28:36 AM »
Good points Am.  It is so easy for anger to erupt.  For my mom she does not hear me when speak normally but when I explode she hears that I am crazy!  I do not know how to NOT blow up after all these years!
Kelly

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« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2008, 08:35:28 AM »
Dear Kelly,                                                                                                                                                                                Anger is SUPER hard to navigate for children of N's. I have been so afraid of my own anger. Now, is the first time I am starting to listen to it and try to honor it, as a valid part of myself.
 With our anger, comes the "power" to protect ourselves and honor our needs,but it is so scary to navigate, especially, at first.I have many of the cultural stereotypes that anger is not "nice" for females--bleh!       Love    Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: To Prevent Sinking
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2008, 10:12:14 AM »
Kel, do you think your mother is afraid of you?

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