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Re: learning in the garden
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2008, 08:58:35 AM »
Dear Hops,
 There is no better way to learn about ourselves than in a close relationship. We see ourselves in a highlighted way, for better or worse(lol).         Hugs,  Ami
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Re: learning in the garden
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2008, 01:50:56 PM »
Dear Hops,

How very brave you are for sharing all of that.  Also, how self aware you are!   That takes much patience and wisdom to see it all and communicate it so well.  I admire you so!

A couple of things popped out when I read and re-read and re-read your post:

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So either of us can socialize or even "date" (whatever that means) -- but we are monogamous with each other.

I know I can be pretty dense and this one really has me confused.  How does one be monogamous while dating other people?  Doesn't monogamous mean.......not dating other people?  Wait!  I'll look that up:

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1. The practice or condition of having a single sexual partner during a period of time.
2. a. The practice or condition of being married to only one person at a time.
   b. The practice of marrying only once in a lifetime.
3. Zoology The condition of having only one mate during a breeding season or during the breeding life of a pair.

But I like this one:

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monogamous - (used of relationships and of individuals) having one mate;

from:  http://www.thefreedictionary.com/monogamous

Ok....I guess I kinda get it.  You can date other people but you're real true mates are eachother?

No getting involved sexually/emotionally with other people?  Mated but only it's a secret to everyone but eachother?  Wait a minute:

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I offered discretion, no possessiveness at all (other than our commitment to monogamy), and defined it as friendship. When he said he didn't really want "a girlfriend" (though that could change), and didn't picture himself marrying, I said that was okay with me.


 :?

If you are monogamous mates (which I'm assuming also includes in a sexual manner).......doesn't that make you his womanfriend and he your manfriend?   Is there a kind of contradiction happening or am I just weird?

Anyway......no need to explain to me because as long as you understand it and get the real boundaries and are ok with it for now.......I will be happy, as usual, to remain in my confused, dense state.  :lol:

Are you ok with it or do you feel a little itchy about it.......well........if it makes you wanna scratch a little.........good!  'Cause that makes you aware and me sane!  :shock: (get right outta town!!  :shock:  :shock:).


Ok......one more...

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The message from me to myself is, this is all I should hope for. Maybe...this is all I deserve. When my true yearning for the long term is to be the mate of someone who loves me so fully that they DO want me first as a girlfriend, and eventually as a wife.



Oh Hops!  You so deserve what you want!  You are so worthy!  You are so sweet and kind and loving and loyal........

You deserve someone who worships the ground you walk on!
Someone who treats you like a queen!
Someone who is not only willing to commit but gleeful to be blessed by having met you and joyously proud to be seen with you.........known to be your mate!!  Openly!  In front of the whole world!


Please guard your heart carefully.  Stick to your time boundary (the one you set for yourself) and reassess in 3 months.  Please keep your hope strong and do not give up your dreams!   

I understand you are saying this guy is sensitive and caring and so you are generously giving him the space you think he needs and wants to help him become comfortable and possibly less afraid (?) of taking things to the next level (am I anywhere close there?).

But Hops.......so are you sensitive and caring and you deserve the same generosity.....what you need and want......to feel comfortable etc.   Please take care of you my friend. 

The biggest thing about relationships, imo, is that they are a 2-way street.  You should not have to be the one constantly sacrificing for the other person's happiness/comfort etc.   If the gander gives equally back to the goose, then all will be well in the pond. (Did I just coin a cool phrase?  8) Naw!  I doubt it.)

(((((((Hops))))))

Sela

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Re: learning in the garden
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2008, 02:14:05 PM »
Thanks, Lighter...hoist a cuppa champagne by the birdbath for me... (garden wish: POND mit frog).
Ami, you're right--I'll be clearer in the mirror, one way or another. It's all learning.

Sela, sweetheart, thank you. You're right. I will. It truly is important to me that reciprocity be the foundation of a committed relationship. I think for now, in our odd beginning, it is good to let him feel free to explore me privately ( :oops:) for a time before he decides whether he is interested in publically embracing and claiming a GF/mate/significant otherwhatever.

Who happens to be, and LOOK (totally white hair) her 12 years his senior. So he'd really need to want me fully. And if he figures out he doesn't after a while, then I'm free to say, "friends with benefits" has to return to friends, now.

Women do public acceptance-without-turning-an-eyelash gracefully all the time for their older (sometimes much older) male companions. But for all that he's 46, he's a young 46. Intuition told me, don't crowd this one. Give, and see if he'd like to give back. So far, he does. When he gets a whiff of my discomfort, I soon find a sweet message. And he's a complete dear when we're together.

I don't think he'd realistically expect this to go on indefinitely. And I'm setting an appoximately 3-month boundary for myself. He seems to me creative enough and individualistic enough, that he might get there. But if he can't, then I'll find out and cope with that change then. There's always risk of hurt. In this case it could be that he can't commit. But it won't be hurt because he's mean. I WAS DRAWN TO A SWEET MAN, ALLELU!

Monogamy means no other sexual partner. And we continue to appear "single" (but not on the prowl). He has a bunch of friends, I do too. I've shared about him with just my closest friend at church and her husband. Who knows, it could all change.

In addition to dragging him upstairs by the hair (his version) so I can be ravished (my version), we talk a lot. He's had a painful life, yet he's still got a quality of gentleness and openness that melts my heart.

Blush.

Hops

PS--I don't think either of us is dating, per se. But we each have plenty of opposite sex friends. He goes to plays with a woman from church and her daughter, I give big squooshy hugs to several men from church and am close to several. But neither of us is acting romantic or involved romantically with anyone. Including each other, officially. Romantic love is freighted with some fear and I think maybe this purple arrangement is allowing us to find out how much trust and intimacy we can build. I will keep the brakes on expectations, though. It helps me to be in observer mode, of both of us, and have a little faith in myself that I can handle what comes. I feel optimistic for goodness, and don't know the form.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2008, 02:24:59 PM by Hopalong »
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Re: learning in the garden
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2008, 03:00:28 PM »
sounds like a groovy, great time in the garden, Hops.... come what may...
and you're not the only one with white hair, sweetie... I hear it's become quite the in-thing, believe it or not! (truth: I've seen kids on campus, who are dying their hair this color... go figure!) 

Maybe Annie Lennox started something...
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Re: learning in the garden
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2008, 08:56:40 PM »
Hmmmm... I thought about buying a couple turtles for the neighbor's koi pond today but.....

FROGS!

Just love the little toadies; )

Lighter

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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2008, 10:32:27 PM »
(((((((((((Hops)))))))))))  My loving, honest opinion is that you deserve a man who is ready, willing, and able to commit fully in every way without receiving any free milk or butter in advance of said commitment.

With love and more hugs, wishing you only the very best,
Carolyn

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Re: learning in the garden
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2008, 12:23:00 AM »
I know, sweet Carolyn.
Thank you for wanting that for me.
I love you.

This cow has just decided that life's too short to keep the butter in the churn.
I'm kicking it all over the meadow, flowers draped on my horns, hollering MOOOOO!
This here is MY milk and I'll give it to whoever I want to! For freeeeeee!
It ain't pasteurized, either!

MOOOOOOOO!

(I've always been a bad girl and have been tossed out of several proper pastures.)

love,
Hops
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Re: learning in the garden
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2008, 06:54:49 AM »
The cow  and  milk metaphors cracks me up(lol).         Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: learning in the garden
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2008, 02:24:42 PM »
Yeah, I kind of think that fresh, young pre-calf milk is best served fresh and to only the person that buys the cow.

BUT I think finer, older milk doesn't need to be served to calves or saved for special butter or anything. Were I a mature, single Heiffer, I'd be all over givin' up the milk...

Hate to say it - I am a traditionalist if you are planning your life early on, but I think that there are points where it just doesn't make sense.

Have an udderly enjoyable time, dear Hops.

Love, Beth
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Re: learning in the garden
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2008, 09:28:56 PM »
Everything creamy and all churning aside Hops,

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Women do public acceptance-without-turning-an-eyelash gracefully all the time for their older (sometimes much older) male companions.

Not fair when it comes to a younger man, is it?

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I WAS DRAWN TO A SWEET MAN, ALLELU

For this, I am so very happy for you Hops!  I really am!

I hope things work out exactly the way you want them to because I really do agree that you deserve your dreams.

Thanks for the explanations.  I get it now.   Just take care of you in this relationship because your heart is precious.

Sela

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Re: learning in the garden
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2008, 09:34:30 PM »
Ack.

Not the "give the milk away for free" metaphor :x



Women aren't apples on a tree......

waiting to be picked and purchased...... packaged and made 'respectable' by men willing to pony up.  :(

We're divine creatures,

worthy of companionship....

worthy of making our own choices.

Besides.... I can imagine marriage wouldn't cross some divorced women's minds, for any reason.

It's isn't wrong......

it's a personal choice.

LOVED your post, (((Hops)))

 :D

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Re: learning in the garden
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2008, 09:22:52 AM »
Hops,
I was a bit flippant in my answer, but truly, I think that if you are happy and feel safe, you should enjoy any relationship that suits you. I really do think it's best to have a goal for a relationship if you are younger and planning on having a family. To me, it is important to provide stability in the home. However, you have 'been there, done that' and your life can now be about you.
So, simply, enjoy yourself :)
Lots of love,
Beth
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Re: learning in the garden
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2008, 10:46:42 AM »
I don't feel guilt-tripped by anyone, in fact, remarkably tolerated and loved, despite our differing values and views on things.

Thanks, folks. I am happy and so glad you're here to listen...

If I come to rue the day, well you know where I'll be complaining.

Right now it's just sweetness and joy. And the mesclun's up!

love,
Hops
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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2008, 10:47:44 PM »
This was posted on Monday and I'm just now reading it on Friday Night?

After a sorta blah day, this was great. I smiled from beginning to end and chuckled here and there.

Hops, you deserve to enjoy life. It sounds like you have really thought this through.

And you are not the only one I got to know a little better reading it. :)

Wishing you happiness!
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Re: learning in the garden
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2008, 09:26:58 AM »
Thank you, Kitten.
What a kindness, to share your pleasure in my adventure.
I appreciate that!  :)

And wouldn't you know, everybody, just last night he called to ask me if I'd like to go downtown with him and his housemate Jim, to wander the plaza and get a meal. Well Friday nights downtown here are the loveliest and most public of all public events in this community. So I guess it's an option to not project onto him all the witholding characteristics of PREVIOUS men who liked to keep our connection under a bushel.

Perhaps he's actually something new?  :P

Or maybe I am.  :shock: :D :D :D

Mangling my metaphors,
Hops
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