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seasons

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admits N
« on: May 12, 2008, 11:18:21 AM »
sister to the lies she tells


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Re: admits N
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2008, 11:33:03 AM »
Seasons,

I have a friend who does the same.  Not sure about names though.  She lies through her teeth and will defend her lies to death then other things, lets pretend things she will share, which is still lies and say she lies  :shock: 

I haven't figured out why they need to share that they have lied at certain times.  Have you?  Why tell us at all. 

Love
Deb

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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2008, 11:35:13 AM »

Wow seasons, what an insight she gave you, and how unnerving.  (((seasons))) I like your 'cut way down' approach and support you in taking care of your own well-being.  She won't!
Character, which has nothing to do with intellect or skill, can evolve only by increasing our capacity to love, and to become lovable. - Joan Grant

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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2008, 12:41:05 PM »

((((( Seasons )))))

It seems almost that she was, is, almost "glorying" in what she does, and it is bewildering that she told you of her game of lies.  I feel sure you felt like she had "dumped" her inner game onto you.  Seems very much like "Billy Liar" who lived in a world of fantasy.

Never ceases to amaze me how they put the phone down and then carry on with business as usual, and leave us in a "spin" literally "reeling" trying to work out which game they are playing.

know she hasn't shared her whole life of lies with me, every so ofter she needs to purge on me.

I feel they ought to receive an oscar for the art of "Dumping" - amazing how they trickle information out like a dripping tap.

I feel less connected to her, I think that is a huge step for me.

I am so glad for you, Seasons.

Love, Leah
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Re: admits N
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2008, 12:44:13 PM »
Dear Seasons,
 This has a little "feel" of my M. My M used to "enjoy" shocking me(still does, but can't get away with it,now--lol). She would say things that "punched me in the stomach" and then ,smirk---bleh.
  Do you "feel" violated when she does this? if so, I bet she is doing it on purpose. Sorry, Seasons., It is a bummer.   Love   Ami

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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2008, 12:52:36 PM »
Dear Seasons,

Have you ever considered that your sister may be a sociopath? Most recently I read the book 'the sociopath next door' by Martha Stout.

Do you know how you feel whenever you do something that is not right? It produces guilt, right? At least, if a normal sane person of good conscious were to lie it would produce guilt which then produces anxiety over the fear of being exposed to ourselves and potentially also others.
That is part of why it is so hard for people to face themselves and admit there wrongs or shames, but of course good people normally do find a safe person to discuss our humanness with; we always want peace and deep down we know that even the best people fail.

The remorseless sociopath's have ZERO conscious...They can lie, cheat, steal and never feel any shame...Martha Stout discusses the noncriminal, nonviolent sociopath which it what your sister sounds like to me.

Sociopaths take pure pleasure in deceiving people, really....it is part of their game in life. They are not in the game of life to love because they can't love, they have no heart so their game is to play games and to win.

Does your sister suffer from depression, anxiety, or other normal painful problems? If, not then she very well may be a consciousless person.

Does she love seeking pity? Stout says that the pity ploys of the sociopath is one of the telling red flags.

When I was able to grasp that N-fake-saint was a sociopath it took so much edge off of my pain; I was able to see that she could not empathize with me in anyway, therefore, how I could I ever expect her to.... just like how could I ever expect a snake to empathize with me.

I know it is harsh......I hope with all of my heart your sister is not a sociopath -- I hope that there is hope that she can get better.

Lise
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Re: admits N
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2008, 01:04:53 PM »
Seasons,

You might be right. They either want to embarrass or disgust.  I know my friend told the same story *that I dare not repeat here and want to blow out my eardrums* to another friend for the purpose of *shock* and then when the person told her she was disgusted the more my friend got a kick out of it and *laughed*  and torturted her then went on to tell others the story and the reaction of the other friend and her disgust.

Yes they are very twisted.

But I do think she markets herself this way to because she most definetly made new friends who think she is just..... the cats meow....with the same story... so what does that say about them...  but they are not good enough she need the balance of shock, disgust, normal people and acceptance of fellow weirdo's. 

Love
Deb

 

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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2008, 04:34:17 PM »
Sorry Seasons, I hope that I did not scare you, that was not my intention. I just thought this info might be helpful.



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Re: admits N
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2008, 06:11:45 PM »
NO REMORSE, NONE EVER. SHE ALWAYS HAS AN EXCUSE WHY SHE DESERVES IT, WITH A TEAR AND LEAVES WITH A SMILE.
IT IS A GAME.

Last time she talked she got free pictures after complaining.
Ate a piece of cake, said she found something in it and returned it for her MONEY. She does this all the time, it's all LIES.


Sociopaths take pure pleasure in deceiving people, really....it is part of their game in life. They are not in the game of life to love because they can't love, they have no heart so their game is to play games and to win.



Dear ((((((Seasons)))))),

Goodness, that's my mother and my sister, as I have shared previously, who are very much "cloned" as they are remarkably so alike right down to the way they walk, plus  the "smirk" and "laugh"

I am reading a straightforward and enlightening book that arrived today .... (I have read The Sociopath Next Door by Marth Stout PhD a couple of years ago)

Understanding the Hidden Patterns that Motivate Abusers : Narcissists, Borderlines, and Sociopaths.

"Sociopaths do not have any conscience at all, and they absolutely enjoy deception -- with repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure."

I have avoided applying this particular disorder to my mother and my sister, however, today big "lightbulbs" simply refuse to dim regarding the startling truth, which is evident.

DSM for Sociopath:

Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.


Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."


Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.


Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.


Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.


Incapacity for Love


Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.


Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.


Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.


Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.


Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.


Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity


Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.


Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.


Other Related Qualities:

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose




It's the ... "lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, or stolen from another"

that never ceases to amaze me, frequently, upon my life experiential recollections -- of mother, and sister

and

"Sociopaths do not have any conscience at all, and they absolutely enjoy deception -- with repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure."


I sincerely understand how it feels to experience such disordered behavior, time and time again.   Until, the time comes, the day dawns, when ones aching heart cries out "No" more.

Love to you (((( Seasons ))))

Leah x


"Normal" people dread hurting someone else, especially someone close, and may exert great effort to avoid such hurt or to make it right once it has happened.  Moreover, if a "normal" person does hurt someone else, they will feel remorse afterward.

"Sociopaths," on the other hand, have no such fears.  It simply does not matter to "sociopaths" what happens to other people, including their family members and intimate partners, nor does it matter who or what causes the harm.  Their brains simply lack the connections that would lead to these thoughts and feelings.  A "sociopath" might appear to care about others, or fear hurting others, BUT the fear is entirely self-centered (to make their own lives easier).    A "sociopath" is not at all bothered by the hurt felt by someone else. 
 
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